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Post by Kahloke on Jan 22, 2013 5:49:26 GMT -8
Getting back to the Yakima vs. Kaleetan discussion - as far as physical appearance goes, there are a couple of ways I can tell the difference between the two if you were to remove their name boards: 1. the ends of the bulwarks on Kaleetan are cut short vs. the ones on Yakima which still have the tapered end (see photos). Granted, you have to be pretty close to the vessels to spot this particular difference, as it is not something you would necessarily distinguish at a distance. 2. The Flying T logo on Kaleetan's funnel was incorrectly positioned, so that makes it pretty easy to distinguish from Yakima. Kaleetan Yakima
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 22, 2013 14:39:58 GMT -8
Was the emergency power generator location required for Elwha SOLAS upgrades?No. The emergency power generator aboard the Elwha, to my knowledge, was installed during her 1991 "forced overhaul" as the result of being bashed against a pier by 90-mph winds in the December, 1990 Arctic Express winter storm (I still remember that storm to this day!). There is a photo of the Elwha being repaired after the storm over at EvergreenFleet.com, and it shows the power generator between the funnels. Also forgot, the Elwha still has her original 1967 interior, with the only difference being that the interior colors have changed from oranges and tans to blues and browns. If you want to see differences, go to EvergreenFleet.com and navigate to the Super Class page. There, you'll find a small photo showing the Elwha when new, then go to the Elwha thread here, and compare the differences. Actually, the Elwha was already being overhauled at Fisherman's Boat Shop when the Arctic Express nearly destroyed her. I don't know when that emergency generator was installed on board, though it was likely at that time and, I suspect, its location probably was a SOLAS requirement. It had an emergency generator prior to that, but it was smaller and in a different location. As for the "vastly different" elevator tower, it really depends on what you call "vastly different." Structurally it's pretty much the same, except the elevator is smaller than on the other Supers, only opens on one side, and doesn't stop at the upper wing (much to the hair-pulling consternation of mates, bo's'ns and ABs). (I've tried for years to get a stop added at the upper wing on the Elwha, but apparently it's a REALLY expensive modification.)
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 22, 2013 14:43:37 GMT -8
No. There is actually three difference between the two that you said and the Kaleetan has WIFI. I was referring to physical differences. If one were to remove the nameplates on the pilothouse, upper shelter bulkhead and bulwarks, and sit the Yakima and Kaleetan next to each other, fundamentally there is no difference. "Upper shelter bulkhead and bulwarks"? Can you provide photos of that which you speak? As far as I know they're pretty much identical.
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Jan 22, 2013 14:46:46 GMT -8
No. The emergency power generator aboard the Elwha, to my knowledge, was installed during her 1991 "forced overhaul" as the result of being bashed against a pier by 90-mph winds in the December, 1990 Arctic Express winter storm (I still remember that storm to this day!). There is a photo of the Elwha being repaired after the storm over at EvergreenFleet.com, and it shows the power generator between the funnels. Also forgot, the Elwha still has her original 1967 interior, with the only difference being that the interior colors have changed from oranges and tans to blues and browns. If you want to see differences, go to EvergreenFleet.com and navigate to the Super Class page. There, you'll find a small photo showing the Elwha when new, then go to the Elwha thread here, and compare the differences. Actually, the Elwha was already being overhauled at Fisherman's Boat Shop when the Arctic Express nearly destroyed her. I don't know when that emergency generator was installed on board, though it was likely at that time and, I suspect, its location probably was a SOLAS requirement. It had an emergency generator prior to that, but it was smaller and in a different location. As for the "vastly different" elevator tower, it really depends on what you call "vastly different." Structurally it's pretty much the same, except the elevator is smaller than on the other Supers, only opens on one side, and doesn't stop at the upper wing (much to the hair-pulling consternation of mates, bo's'ns and ABs). (I've tried for years to get a stop added at the upper wing on the Elwha, but apparently it's a REALLY expensive modification.) Yes, structurally they're the same, however in terms of aesthetics as seen from the Sun Deck, they're vastly different.
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Jan 22, 2013 14:50:27 GMT -8
I was referring to physical differences. If one were to remove the nameplates on the pilothouse, upper shelter bulkhead and bulwarks, and sit the Yakima and Kaleetan next to each other, fundamentally there is no difference. "Upper shelter bulkhead and bulwarks"? Can you provide photos of that which you speak? As far as I know they're pretty much identical.
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 22, 2013 15:12:20 GMT -8
Oh, okay, I get what you were saying. I didn't read the same sentence that you typed. I couldn't figure out what upper shelter deck bulkhead and bulwarks had been removed.
The Elwha's small nameplates aren't on the USD level. They're on the crews'/officers' quarters. Took me about a year and a half to notice that, back in the day.
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Jan 22, 2013 15:22:10 GMT -8
Oh, okay, I get what you were saying. I didn't read the same sentence that you typed. I couldn't figure out what upper shelter deck bulkhead and bulwarks had been removed. The Elwha's small nameplates aren't on the USD level. They're on the crews'/officers' quarters. Took me about a year and a half to notice that, back in the day. Why did they put them there, instead of where they are on the other three? Looking at photos of the Elwha in her original config. it's clear that they were originally in that location. (bracket remnants still present)
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 22, 2013 15:25:01 GMT -8
Oh, okay, I get what you were saying. I didn't read the same sentence that you typed. I couldn't figure out what upper shelter deck bulkhead and bulwarks had been removed. The Elwha's small nameplates aren't on the USD level. They're on the crews'/officers' quarters. Took me about a year and a half to notice that, back in the day. Why did they put them there, instead of where they are on the other three? Looking at photos of the Elwha in her original config. it's clear that they were originally in that location. (bracket remnants still present) Can't help you there... didn't happen on my watch.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 19:10:40 GMT -8
Thank you for telling me the difference between the Yakima, Kaleetan and the Hyak, Elwha.
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Post by northwesterner on Jan 22, 2013 21:23:53 GMT -8
As for the "vastly different" elevator tower, it really depends on what you call "vastly different." Structurally it's pretty much the same, except the elevator is smaller than on the other Supers, only opens on one side, and doesn't stop at the upper wing (much to the hair-pulling consternation of mates, bo's'ns and ABs). (I've tried for years to get a stop added at the upper wing on the Elwha, but apparently it's a REALLY expensive modification.) If the topside emergency generator was a SOLAS requirement, how come the Kaleetan did not receive one at the same? She certainly was SOLAS certified in the late 80s and early 90s as she was a regular on the Sidney route. Does anyone know how many years both the Kaleetan and Elwha were SOLAS concurrently SOLAS certified?
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Post by sounder on Jan 22, 2013 21:51:13 GMT -8
I am just curious looking at those photos of the Kaleetan and the Yakima as to why the bulwarks on the Kaleetan are cut shorter than the ones on the other three supers?
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Jan 22, 2013 21:55:25 GMT -8
I am just curious looking at those photos of the Kaleetan and the Yakima as to why the bulwarks on the Kaleetan are cut shorter than the ones on the other three supers? I wonder that myself. I often wonder why they were modified to begin with, on all of them. I'm almost sure that their original design would still be functional and practical even today, just as they were when built. IMO, the manner Kaleetan's bulwarks just got chopped, as opposed to the other three which were merely modified, kinda sucks.
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Post by EGfleet on Jan 23, 2013 6:19:35 GMT -8
As for the "vastly different" elevator tower, it really depends on what you call "vastly different." Structurally it's pretty much the same, except the elevator is smaller than on the other Supers, only opens on one side, and doesn't stop at the upper wing (much to the hair-pulling consternation of mates, bo's'ns and ABs). (I've tried for years to get a stop added at the upper wing on the Elwha, but apparently it's a REALLY expensive modification.) If the topside emergency generator was a SOLAS requirement, how come the Kaleetan did not receive one at the same? She certainly was SOLAS certified in the late 80s and early 90s as she was a regular on the Sidney route. Does anyone know how many years both the Kaleetan and Elwha were SOLAS concurrently SOLAS certified? The Kaleetan didn't receive one because at the time she went into the yard, she wasn't SOLAS certified, and there were no plans to make her so. At the time of her refurb, the Evergreen State and Elwha were the two SOLAS boats, and had been for a while. I don't think the Kaleetan had been to Sidney for a number of years, probably not after both the Elwha and Evergreen had their SOLAS/refurbishment upgrades done in 88/90. By '96-97 when they finally got around to upgrading the Kaleetan, there was no reason to upgrade her to SOLAS with two boats already meeting the requirement. There was also the fact that they'd have to install an elevator on the Kaleetan--something the state was resisting due to cost. WSF ended up getting sued for violating the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) and had to retrofit elevators on all the boats where it was possible to do so anyway. By that time, plans were on the boards to SOLAS the Chelan to take over for the Evergreen, and I've been told the state wanted at least one fuel-efficient on the Sidney run (as the Supers are anything but fuel-efficient.) If the Kaleetan was running up there without the same SOLAS equipment that went on the Elwha/ Evergreen, I suspect it was probably with a waiver from the Coast Guard along the lines of, "You can run it until you get the boat with the proper equipment out of the yard, but as soon as it is back, the Kaleetan is off the run." I know that has happened in a few situations in the fleet over the years.
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Jan 23, 2013 6:38:18 GMT -8
Got a question regarding the M.V. Yakima, specifically the nameplates on the bulwarks.
Looking at photos of the Hyak, Kaleetan and Elwha, those three use the exact same typeface for the names on the Bulwarks, yet the Yakima seems to use a more crude-looking typeface as though it was rushed. Has that always been the case?
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 23, 2013 16:06:22 GMT -8
If the Kaleetan was running up there without the same SOLAS equipment that went on the Elwha/ Evergreen, I suspect it was probably with a waiver from the Coast Guard along the lines of, "You can run it until you get the boat with the proper equipment out of the yard, but as soon as it is back, the Kaleetan is off the run." I know that has happened in a few situations in the fleet over the years. Either that or it was a case of being grandfathered in. Either way, once the Elwha and Evergreen State received their SOLAS upgrades in 1990-91 and 1988-89, I can't point to a time period when the Kaleetan returned to Sidney.
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 24, 2013 6:34:41 GMT -8
Got a question regarding the M.V. Yakima, specifically the nameplates on the bulwarks. Looking at photos of the Hyak, Kaleetan and Elwha, those three use the exact same typeface for the names on the Bulwarks, yet the Yakima seems to use a more crude-looking typeface as though it was rushed. Has that always been the case? No. The Yakima's bulwark names were re-done... let's see... sometime before July 2003, but definitely after 1997. Probably during MLU; I have no idea why.
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Jan 24, 2013 6:50:09 GMT -8
Got a question regarding the M.V. Yakima, specifically the nameplates on the bulwarks. Looking at photos of the Hyak, Kaleetan and Elwha, those three use the exact same typeface for the names on the Bulwarks, yet the Yakima seems to use a more crude-looking typeface as though it was rushed. Has that always been the case? No. The Yakima's bulwark names were re-done... let's see... sometime before July 2003, but definitely after 1997. Probably during MLU; I have no idea why. Wow. Definitely wonder why they got redone, too bad they got a hackjob version of it.
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Post by SolDuc on Jan 27, 2013 21:58:13 GMT -8
Got a few of the Yakima today: MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr With the Tacoma: MV Yakima and MV Tacoma - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr Tacoma again. I call that the "kiss shot": MV Yakima and MV Tacoma - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr Again here, the fast (well, technically 1/10 sec is not fast, but here it was the good fast shot) shot, which gives a somewhat interesting atmosphere: MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr And finally a pano of her at Colman dock, slip 3. This time Hugin could stitch it the way I wanted so there is no all at once light breaks: MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr
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Post by SolDuc on Jan 28, 2013 21:42:13 GMT -8
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Post by SolDuc on Jan 28, 2013 21:53:06 GMT -8
Part II, on the boat and @ Seattle: MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr The load: MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr 1999 and 1997 awards: MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr Plaques: MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr Side nameplate: MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr I like the curved effect on the benches: MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr I like that compass: MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr At Seattle: MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr
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Post by SolDuc on Jan 28, 2013 21:59:37 GMT -8
Part III, from Bremerton and the Hyak: A missing one from the interior photos: MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr thru shot: MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr Space Needle shot? Well, the Space needle was a little too blurry... MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Yakima - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr
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Post by SolDuc on Jan 29, 2013 16:08:47 GMT -8
Video of the Yakima arriving @ Bremerton:
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Post by SolDuc on Jan 29, 2013 16:15:45 GMT -8
MV Yakima departing Bremerton as seen from the boat:
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Post by SolDuc on Jan 29, 2013 16:27:15 GMT -8
And finally MV Yakima departing Bremerton, this time as seen from Harborside Fountain Park:
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Jan 31, 2013 22:19:34 GMT -8
Yay! First ever crossing on the Yakima! Felt great, and I tell ya, the paint job they did a year ago on this thing is superb in every aspect. Felt like a new boat. And I love the way they did the interior treatment on it. Very well done! Onwards to a four-frame tile-stitch panorama of No. 1 End's pilothouse and environs! Enjoy! M.V. Yakima, No. 1 End pilothouse by Loowit Imaging - Steve Rosenow, Photographer, on Flickr
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