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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2012 19:02:11 GMT -8
Why is Kitsap being used their any ways?
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Post by Kahloke on Sept 13, 2012 19:28:02 GMT -8
Why is she being used their any ways? Kitsap is used on the Bremerton run because WSF does not have any reserve vessels right now, and when one of the Supers, or Jumbos, is out of service for maintenance or emergency repairs (as is fairly often these days), there isn't always a reserve vessel of the same size to put in that slot. Also, Kitsap, and other Issaquah-Class vessels have served on the Bremerton run for a long time. My comment from the post above simply states my belief that the Bremerton run has grown beyond the capacity of an Issaquah-Class vessel to adequately serve the needs, most especially Monday-Friday during commute times. Right now they can't do much about it, but when these new ferries start entering service in a few years, I hope they will bump capacity at Bremerton at that time. We shall see.
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Post by Barnacle on Sept 14, 2012 4:27:32 GMT -8
Why doesn't WSF keep Walla Walla on the Seattle to Brementon with the Kitsap excluding when she goes for maintenance and when she has to go down to service the Edmonds to Kingston route? They do. But when you factor in that the Walla Walla spends about three months a year at Kingston (one month for each Jumbo Mark II's yard period while the Puyallup is either at Bainbridge or in the yard) plus another month a year for her own yard period, that makes only about eight months a year for Bremerton. Oh, and the W2 is out for maintenance right now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2012 17:02:03 GMT -8
Why doesn't WSF keep Walla Walla on the Seattle to Brementon with the Kitsap excluding when she goes for maintenance and when she has to go down to service the Edmonds to Kingston route? Oh, and the W2 is out for maintenance right now. What is she getting done? Why couldn't WSF do maintence on her during the late Fall, Winter, or the eaily spring?
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Post by Barnacle on Sept 15, 2012 9:08:41 GMT -8
The specifics of the contract are available on WSF's website.
I do believe that the W2's usual maintenance period is not during peak season, but this was an extended bit of work.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2012 17:33:32 GMT -8
Walla Walla will be on the Seattle-Bremerton from October 25 to November 15 ten will be the Edmonds to Kingston from November 16.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2012 20:28:43 GMT -8
When does the Walla Walla go back to the Seattle to Bremerton route?
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Oct 15, 2012 3:45:24 GMT -8
The week of October 29, according to the WSF Maintenance and Drydock Schedule.
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Post by Barnacle on Oct 15, 2012 14:29:39 GMT -8
The week of October 29, according to the WSF Maintenance and Drydock Schedule. That posting is three weeks old, and I hear it may not reflect the up-to-the-minute information.
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Post by SolDuc on Nov 1, 2012 15:02:57 GMT -8
According to the new maintenance schedule, the Walla Walla's maintenance time at EH got expanded and she will not be going to Bremerton anytime during the fall schedule. She will go directly at Edmonds-Kingston the week of November 19th to replace the Puyallup and then the Spokane while she is in drydock.
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 2, 2012 3:50:35 GMT -8
It's possible to make oneself dizzy by trying to keep up with the maintenance schedule. I seldom look more than two weeks ahead, and even then I keep my ear to the ground.
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Post by Freeland on Nov 8, 2012 22:54:27 GMT -8
This was on tonight's King News. Looks like it will be awhile. Lock out Tag out will be come new buzz word. www.king5.com/news/local/Major-electrical-accident-onboard-ferry-could-put-vessel-out-for-years-177937191.htmlA massive charge of electricity accidentally entered a motor under maintenance on board the M/ V Walla Walla on Sunday while the vessel was docked at the Washington State Ferries (WSF) maintenance facility on Bainbridge Island, known as Eagle Harbor. No one was injured in the accident, yet a source with detailed knowledge of the event told the KING 5 Investigators that people could have easily died. “In all my years in the maritime industry I’ve never seen anything like this. It sent chills up my spine because of the potential to kill somebody. I can’t put enough emphasis on how close they came to killing someone,” said the source who spoke on the condition of anonymity. The accident caused huge chunks of steel and copper to melt, as well as holes to be blasted through what is known as the commutator portion of the motor. A commutator provides the power to turn the shaft and propellers that ultimately move the ferry. The U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has termed the procedure “Lockout/Tagout." When work is being performed in an electrical environment such as that, Lockout/Tagout procedures ensure the machinery is turned off and disconnected from its energy source. A padlock is used to make sure the power cannot be turned back on. Experts say the process takes about five minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2012 7:07:18 GMT -8
Wow! According to the news article she could be out a long while (6 months and up to 2 years)! Let's hope it's not that long. Things could get interesting now if we have another break down in the system.
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Post by chokai on Nov 9, 2012 10:38:15 GMT -8
Whoa! That is one nasty sounding accident.
December and the holidays are going to be interesting on Edmonds/Kingston. According to the maintenance schedule Spokane is (was) scheduled to go into the yard @ Vigor in mid-December with Puyallup and Tacoma each having time at eagle harbor in the weeks prior to that...
Fortunately for at least for some of that period Hyak will be available as well obviously the Salish and the mighty Hiyu so there's some flexibility.
A Super or Issaquah and Salish working in tandem would allow them to maintain car capacity on the run though it might be impossible to hold the schedule with the single slip @ Edmonds and the trains. I'm really curious to see if they don't cancel Spokane's yard time what they come up with. :-) I think we'll end up with one of our venerable supers returning to the route for a while.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Nov 9, 2012 13:16:22 GMT -8
I think we'll end up with one of our venerable supers returning to the route for a while. According to the maintenance schedule, the Kaleetan will be on the route for a week in January and the Hyak will be making a couple of appearances (last week of the year and the first 2 weeks in February).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2012 19:47:08 GMT -8
The Kitsap Sun is reporting that with the Walla Walla out of service we may see a return of the Rhododendron. SEATTLE — The ferry Walla Walla, a week from returning to the Edmonds-Kingston route after four months of maintenance, will be out of service indefinitely after a drive motor was damaged Sunday. Washington State Ferries director David Moseley confirmed the incident Friday after it was reported Thursday night. The incident occurred at WSF's Eagle Harbor Maintenance Facility on Bainbridge Island. The ferry had been towed there recently after a $7.4 million paint job and other work at Vigor Shipyards in Everett and Seattle. An error during maintenance of a drive motor Sunday caused a drive motor on the opposite end of the ferry to overheat, according to people familiar with the incident. There are two drive motors at each end that turn the propellers. The incident left parts melted and charred, according to Washington State Ferries, which is working with the engine's manufacturer to see if it's possible to use a spare drive motor that's stored in a warehouse. That would be the quickest fix. "The inspection leads us and the manufacturer to believe it can be repaired and updated to be usable," said Moseley. The Walla Walla, which carries up to 188 vehicles and 2,000 passengers, is among the system's largest boats. Built in 1972, it serves the Bremerton-Seattle route during the summer and the rest of the year relieves big boats when they're getting annual maintenance. Moseley said a 144-car Superclass ferry will substitute for the Walla Walla on the Kingston-Edmonds run. "There will be vessel moves throughout the system as we work to keep service levels maintained while the Walla Walla is unavailable," Moseley said. The ferry system is also looking into postponing sale of the 48-car Rhododendron, Moseley said. "In view of the long-term nature of the Walla Walla repairs, it seems important to immediately pull Rhododendron off the auction block so as to free up (64-car) Chetzemoka as a gap filler," said Rep. Larry Seaquist, D-Gig Harbor. "We cannot afford any further loss of service on the Bremerton or other runs." Planned maintenance in March for the 202-car Wenatchee has been canceled, Moseley said. The Walla Walla was undergoing routine, regularly scheduled maintenance such as inspection of electrical drive motors, overhauling the boiler and pre-checks for its annual Coast Guard inspection when Sunday's incident occurred, according to Washington State Ferries, which immediately started an internal investigation. There was no explosion or risk of electrocution, WSF and sources said. Because of the severe damage, a third-party contractor, Cadick Corp., has been brought in to help with the investigation. The transportation department has also asked the state Department of Labor and Industries and the Coast Guard to help make sure all employee safety requirements were met. The investigation is expected to be completed in two to three weeks, Moseley said. Seaquist and other local legislators were disappointed it took five days before they heard of the incident. "I do not understand why a major casualty with major potential cost and service impacts was apparently not reported immediately to the public and to ferry district legislators along with the investigation plans," he said. Read more: www.kitsapsun.com/news/2012/nov/09/ferry-walla-walla-out-indefinitely-after-mistake/#ixzz2Bmu2XKxf
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 9, 2012 19:57:50 GMT -8
There was no explosion or risk of electrocution, WSF and sources said. This quote from WSF contradicts the anonymous source quoted in the KING-5 article.
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Post by hergfest on Nov 9, 2012 21:38:44 GMT -8
How long was the Elwha out when she burned up her drive motor? About a year? Should be some interesting deployments. The first Olympic won't be online until early 2014.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Nov 9, 2012 22:06:40 GMT -8
How long was the Elwha out when she burned up her drive motor? About a year? Almost two years. In the case of the Elwha, the drive motor had to be repaired a second time (it got damaged again after it was repaired the first time).
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Nov 10, 2012 0:00:41 GMT -8
KOMO aired pix of the damage on their 5PM and 6PM newscasts. Nasty damage!!!!
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Post by EGfleet on Nov 10, 2012 6:10:22 GMT -8
How long was the Elwha out when she burned up her drive motor? About a year? Almost two years. In the case of the Elwha, the drive motor had to be repaired a second time (it got damaged again after it was repaired the first time). It should be noted though, that with the Elwha a major upgrade to her propulsion system took place as well. Had it merely been the drive motor repair, she would have returned to service much sooner than she did. I think the work on replacing most of the Ross Hill system took longer than the drive motor, if my memory isn't totally shot on the subject. I know they sea trialed her endlessly because of it.
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 10, 2012 7:53:37 GMT -8
Almost two years. In the case of the Elwha, the drive motor had to be repaired a second time (it got damaged again after it was repaired the first time). It should be noted though, that with the Elwha a major upgrade to her propulsion system took place as well. Had it merely been the drive motor repair, she would have returned to service much sooner than she did. I think the work on replacing most of the Ross Hill system took longer than the drive motor, if my memory isn't totally shot on the subject. I know they sea trialed her endlessly because of it. If your memory's shot on the subject, then so is mine. The drive motor went kablooey in April 2006; the Elwha went back on line in August 2007 (and guess who got stuck with it ).
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Post by SolDuc on Nov 10, 2012 8:22:04 GMT -8
The Kitsap Sun is reporting that with the Walla Walla out of service we may see a return of the Rhododendron. SEATTLE — The ferry Walla Walla, a week from returning to the Edmonds-Kingston route after four months of maintenance, will be out of service indefinitely after a drive motor was damaged Sunday. Washington State Ferries director David Moseley confirmed the incident Friday after it was reported Thursday night. The incident occurred at WSF's Eagle Harbor Maintenance Facility on Bainbridge Island. The ferry had been towed there recently after a $7.4 million paint job and other work at Vigor Shipyards in Everett and Seattle. An error during maintenance of a drive motor Sunday caused a drive motor on the opposite end of the ferry to overheat, according to people familiar with the incident. There are two drive motors at each end that turn the propellers. The incident left parts melted and charred, according to Washington State Ferries, which is working with the engine's manufacturer to see if it's possible to use a spare drive motor that's stored in a warehouse. That would be the quickest fix. "The inspection leads us and the manufacturer to believe it can be repaired and updated to be usable," said Moseley. The Walla Walla, which carries up to 188 vehicles and 2,000 passengers, is among the system's largest boats. Built in 1972, it serves the Bremerton-Seattle route during the summer and the rest of the year relieves big boats when they're getting annual maintenance. Moseley said a 144-car Superclass ferry will substitute for the Walla Walla on the Kingston-Edmonds run. "There will be vessel moves throughout the system as we work to keep service levels maintained while the Walla Walla is unavailable," Moseley said. The ferry system is also looking into postponing sale of the 48-car Rhododendron, Moseley said. "In view of the long-term nature of the Walla Walla repairs, it seems important to immediately pull Rhododendron off the auction block so as to free up (64-car) Chetzemoka as a gap filler," said Rep. Larry Seaquist, D-Gig Harbor. "We cannot afford any further loss of service on the Bremerton or other runs." Planned maintenance in March for the 202-car Wenatchee has been canceled, Moseley said. The Walla Walla was undergoing routine, regularly scheduled maintenance such as inspection of electrical drive motors, overhauling the boiler and pre-checks for its annual Coast Guard inspection when Sunday's incident occurred, according to Washington State Ferries, which immediately started an internal investigation. There was no explosion or risk of electrocution, WSF and sources said. Because of the severe damage, a third-party contractor, Cadick Corp., has been brought in to help with the investigation. The transportation department has also asked the state Department of Labor and Industries and the Coast Guard to help make sure all employee safety requirements were met. The investigation is expected to be completed in two to three weeks, Moseley said. Seaquist and other local legislators were disappointed it took five days before they heard of the incident. "I do not understand why a major casualty with major potential cost and service impacts was apparently not reported immediately to the public and to ferry district legislators along with the investigation plans," he said. Read more: www.kitsapsun.com/news/2012/nov/09/ferry-walla-walla-out-indefinitely-after-mistake/#ixzz2Bmu2XKxf But anyways how would WSF use the Chetzemoka since they cannot do a four boat run at Edmonds? The only possible (and interesting) solution that I can think of is putting 2 KDTs ( Chetzemoka and Salish) at Bremerton with the Kitsap to let the Kaleetan go at Edmonds-Kingston instead of the Klahowya. That would get them 57 more car spaces. That would also mean that the schedule (at Bremerton) and the maintenance schedule would need to be re-created from scrap (except for the dockside/drydock times).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2012 9:39:35 GMT -8
I think the Salish, Sealth and Kitsap would be good on the Seattle to Bremerton during the time with Sealth and the Kitsap as only vessels on the Seattle to Bremerton due to the Walla Walla being out service.
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Nov 10, 2012 11:06:57 GMT -8
Three-boat service out of Bremerton... That oughtta be interesting!
Let's hope they cull the Rhody out of retirement. Ol' girl still has some life left in 'er!
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