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Post by Low Light Mike on Feb 21, 2007 7:33:15 GMT -8
re quote:
To continue the mathematics reference.....I need to scratch out and cancel out and draw connecting lines in the above quote, in order for my brain to comprehend. This reminds me of reading the tax-act.
The above commentary of mine is not a criticism of the quote's content, but simply an observation of my inability to comprehend what I am reading. That's way too much work for me to do, to read that!
Flulgian logic begs for a layman's interpretation of the above, as I am interested in the topic, so I'm curious what the quote means.
ps: FlugelHorn's CD player will supply the tempo & rhythm......
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Post by Neil on Feb 21, 2007 11:09:01 GMT -8
Back to time, and the perception of same...
Our next door neighbour on Hornby has lived for over thirty years in a very humble little abode with no electricity and no plumbing. He collects ground water from a hand dug pit, and uses an outhouse. He has no phone and no car. His life is ordered more by the rythm of the season than by the arbitrary ticking of a clock. In the dark of winter, he goes to bed earlier, and gets up later. He warms himself from the exercise of chopping endless cords of wood that he burns in his stove, for cooking and heat and hot water. He goes out fishing in his battered, tar-caulked little row boat not when he has 'time', but when he needs the food, and the tide is right.
Used to be there were a lot more people like him in the islands. In the first half of the last century, the vast majority of island folks were loggers, farmers, ranchers, orchardists, or perhaps those just wanting to get away- but who ever they were, few came on 'spec', or because the beaches were nice. Most everyone had something to do, and many of those activities depended more on the seasons and the weather than on the demands of a timetable.
With the advent of regular ferry service, a lot of different people started coming. Tourists, the curious, people seeking an 'alternative' life style, along with an increasingly mobile middle class, who wanted to work in town and go home to a peaceful country home. The demographics of most of the islands changed completely, and are still changing. Communities like Hornby are dying as property values sky rocket and people with marginal incomes are forced out as a new, seasonal, recreational reality takes hold which can scarcely be called a community. Island time speeds up as more and more people are on the island for a set period, and want faster line-ups at the Co-op and better service at the pub.
Ferries have connected the islands to the outside world, and brought the good and bad of the modern world to formerly exclusely rural communities. Cocooning retirees and summer recreation seekers are replacing a formerly close knit, resourceful, family oriented population. Time still moves slower than in town, but the difference is no longer so pronounced.
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Post by royalroadscaptain on Feb 21, 2007 16:00:57 GMT -8
Nope, I'm not suggesting that there is a correlation or a causation. Mathematics is really not helpful for me. I'm suggesting there is a "direct relation." Like a close relationship, in other words. If you want to use a metaphor think of it like an intimate relationship between people. Only in this case it's between people and boats. I'm basically saying that--when it comes to time--ferries work like tools that people become accustomed to being with. To change the characteristics of those tools is equivalent to changing the nature of the relationship. Put it this way: how would island time change if instead of a relation with a specific boat we had a relation with a bridge. So that's the point that I was making, in that admittedly complicated quote. And the best example of what that quote refers to is what Hornbyguy just wrote in his post...
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Post by royalroadscaptain on Feb 21, 2007 16:09:38 GMT -8
So far everyone has described "Southern" Island Time ... come to the Queen Charlottes to experience real Island Time. Not just another time zone but another planet altogether.
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Post by Queen of Nanaimo Teen on Feb 21, 2007 16:18:27 GMT -8
I have experienced "island time" on all my ferry trips. I particularly felt it in Tofino. I totally lost track of the time, and all sense of schedule. It's a great feeling, I love it! Oh, and BTW: for those of you wondering where you can get internet connection. I know you get in Prince Rupert for sure, and I'm pretty sure about the Charlotte's. For cell phone service though: None in Prince Rupert, and you only get it in the Charlottes when you are on the ferry a little ways away from Skidegate.
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Post by Neil on Feb 21, 2007 17:20:28 GMT -8
royalroadscaptain:
So... you're going to be rambling around Haida Gwaii, drinking beer and coffee, chatting to people and doing... research? And to think, some people have to work for a living.
Just kidding. I think your field of inquiry is a very worthwhile one, and I think we need to understand our maritime connections better to understand ourselves as a society.
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Post by Ferry Rider 42 on Feb 21, 2007 17:40:28 GMT -8
I agree Royalroadscaptain, the post by Hornbyguy was quite purposeful and eloquent. It clearly shows how transportation became easier, and thus the population grew. Along with the growing population came a higher value of time, and an expectation of a faster lifestyle. In summary, I saw two relationships:
1) Ease of Transportation Vs. Perception of Time 2) Population Density Vs. Perception of Time
Bluntly, I believe you are putting too much emphasis on the link between Transportation and Time. I think there is a stronger link between Density and Time. True, the improvements in transportation are what let the population increase. But I believe to get a true sense of what the more important relationship is, you must separate the variable at play. I give two though experiments to do this:
a. Population size stays the same and we build a bridge to the island. I believe the sensation of time would not change that drastically. Consider those next to major road who live in the far reaches of the north.
b. Ferry service remains limited, but with a massive increase in population size. I expect to see large changes in the sense of time with this scenario. People will begin to feel significantly more rushed.
The results of my though experiment show option b. to be of greater influence over a. Thus to say a strong link exists between Transportation and Time is misleading. In so far that an even stronger link exists, that being Population Density and Time.
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Post by Scott on Feb 21, 2007 18:51:51 GMT -8
Ferry Rider 42,
I have a couple problems with your argument. First, option b is not realistic. How can you have a massive increase in population and a static amount of transportation? There is usually a relationship between population growth and transportation growth. One can follow the other, either way. You widen a highway, the population will grow. The population grows, you build another highway. I don't think you can have one without the other.
Secondly, your "experiment" of option a is probably not appropriate. The "far reaches of the north" are not the same as "Vancouver Island". Vancouver Island is a desireable place to live, and I would argue that a bridge would have a huge impact on the perception of time in at least the southern half of the Island. And it would also result in a population boom, because of the increased ease in transportation. You will find in almost all cities, if you build a road or highway - eventually more people will come and the edges of the city will expand beyond the new road.
I'm not going to say that transportation is the only factor in creating "island time". Of course there are others which have been raised in this thread already - technology, lifestyle, population, etc. But I think transportation is an integral and important factor in it.
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Post by Ferry Rider 42 on Feb 21, 2007 21:01:27 GMT -8
Emm, I agree the situations depicted are highly hypothetical and very unlikely to ever occur in our world.
But the fact that each situation would never occur does not hamper the point I was trying to make. That point being to hold one variable constant while the other changes (eg, hold transportation constant, and adjust population). This is how a statistician would go about determining how significant a role each correlation played. When we stick to adjusting one variable at a time we are able to see the effects of that variable much more easily. Once we have this complete, we are in a much better position to comment on the actual ‘cause’ of the observed phenomena.
Obviously, I am not about to go collect real world data just for the point of this forum. So, because of this I had to resort to these little mind games. In hind sight, I should have never dived into this topic with such tenacity; lesson learned for the future.
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Post by Ferry Rider 42 on Feb 21, 2007 21:10:10 GMT -8
Looking over my posts now I am unhappy. It seems I have developed a bias to prove that 'transportation vs island time' is not the most significant factor. Man, that's a bummer....
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Feb 22, 2007 8:46:45 GMT -8
Looking over my posts now I am unhappy. It seems I have developed a bias to prove that 'transportation vs island time' is not the most significant factor. Man, that's a bummer.... lol, but now you have the opportunity to develop a new theory. You are right, though, in saying density is probably the driving factor in the degradation of the cultural ideals that lead to "island time". Improvement of transportation could lead to densification, but then again, it might not. It is more likely the influx of new cultural ideas due to population increase would influence the original population to change. However, this is a two-way street and the rate of change would be slowed by the new population assimilating the original population's culture. The two cultures meet at some happy middle point. Of course, we have to remember, as John stated, it would be unlikely to have a significant increase in population density without a corresponding improvement in transportation. In all, it is a convoluted issue!
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Post by royalroadscaptain on Feb 22, 2007 13:02:22 GMT -8
royalroadscaptain: So... you're going to be rambling around Haida Gwaii, drinking beer and coffee, chatting to people and doing... research? And to think, some people have to work for a living. Just kidding. I think your field of inquiry is a very worthwhile one, and I think we need to understand our maritime connections better to understand ourselves as a society. Hehe, good point. The occasional research field trips are well worth being a broke student for as long as I can remember The job has its fair share of headaches, though. The discussion that's been going on highlights some of those. There are so many components to take into account that it becomes very difficult to make a clean argument. Population density, lifestyle, cultural dispositions toward land development, etc. That's why I resort to beer on my field trips, Seriously though, one thing that I like to keep in mind though is that it is EXTREMELY difficult to "prove" the validity of any kind of causation in the social sciences, because there are too many variables to take into account and because it is not possible to have control over them like you would in an experiment. So much of our work tends to stay away from proving relations based on causation or even covariation. In my case for example I like to listen to people's stories because they reveal much more about culture than mathematical formulas do. Since I feel bad for dishing off on ya all that quote full of jargon, here's one on island time from our paper that I hope you'll appreciate more: "When the MV Quinsam finally makes it into Nanaimo harbour she first unloads the walk-on passengers and bicycles, then the cars. After all the cars have disembarked, the foot passengers waiting to scramble on board can start their mellow-paced, yet driven, footrace. I head towards the far lounge on the left hand side. In fact, I always choose this lounge, and I am not alone in my seating habits. Most Gabriolans choose, if not a lounge, then a preferred side to sit when they walk on the ferry. Some even have a preferred seat. It is one of the unspoken social rules on the ferry. You can meet someone you know while waiting for the boat, engage in conversation, start to board together, but once you get down the ramp, if you usually sit in two different lounges, your conversation will end as you board the ferry and walk your way. I sprawl my stuff and my tired body on an uncomfortable chair, and wake up my laptop to write some notes. Life’s been busy in Victoria; it feels like there’s never enough time to do everything, so it feels good to bury my nose into the screen and let the white noise of the ferry engine drown out people’s voices. People’s voices, indeed. Nobody else seems to be having a mute conversation with a laptop. It’s as if everybody’s chatting with friends. If this was Victoria everybody would either be glued their laptop, cell phone, or both at the same time. " So there you go, another point to consider, not time ON the island, but the experience of time on the boat itself ... I wonder if people have thoughts on this or stories on how they make time on the ferries...
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Feb 23, 2007 8:12:50 GMT -8
LOL, okay, I have had too much time on my hands: "Island Time" = (Island Culture)(Island Lifestyle) (Density)(City Culture)(Technology)
where Density= (Desirability)(Ease of Transportation)(Accessibility)royalroadscaptain, The observations in your quote capture the essence of travel on the routes servicing the smaller communities on the islands. You are much more likely to know, and be friendly with, your fellow passengers, and the sense of familiarity with the ship through frequent use encourages a type of routine when on board. I think that if you were to observe these same people before they come on-board, you might see a similar pattern emerging in the boarding areas i.e. some people gather in the passenger waiting area, while others gather at other points around the waiting area. The busier routes have a much different feel as most of the travelers don't have that sense of familiarity. I know I find myself wandering more when I'm on the busier routes. A regular trip for me was from Vancouver to Texada, and it was always interesting to me to see the change in the atmosphere of the ships as I got closer to my destination. Horseshoe Bay - Langdale is usually very busy as I am often traveling on the weekend, and most times there is little chance I will run into people I know. I will wander, or find a quiet spot to read. Earls Cove - Saltery Bay is different. More people know each other, and you see more conversations between friends who have run into each other. People will converge into larger groups or wander between established conversations in order to catch up with people. On this route there is a much greater chance I will know at least a few of my fellow passengers, and the trip becomes more about catching up with friends. On Westview - Texada run it interesting to see that people rarely move from their ferry "social group" to another even if it means missing the opportunity to reunite with old friends. On this route it is likely I will know many of the passengers, and it becomes more an issue of who am I going to talk to because the trip time is much more limited. In most cases I am the catalyst of conversation...the old friend returning...because usually everyone else is a local resident, and I find I either have to move from group to group spending only a few minutes with each, or concentrate on one or two groups for more in depth conversation.
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Post by Biff Fisticuffs on May 20, 2007 15:30:34 GMT -8
Flame away!
My happiest Childhood memory was our trip to Qualicum Beach in 1973. It wasn't the destination that holds such cherished memories for me, but the journey itself. For it was here that two elements would combine & each become a significant part of my life. Music & B.C. Ferries. Mom, Dad & I, were sitting in the forward lounge of the ferry: Queen of New Westminster, & a singer was up front, singing songs, till he struck a chord with me (figuratively, & yet LITERALLY too) Nothing of what he had been playing had grabbed my attention up to that point. But then he sang: Guantanamara. Well something about those notes coming from his acoustic guitar. Impacted my life. This was the moment I had discovered music & how absolutely magical it could be. I would never be this happy again. This was my Zen moment. I remember for months after, I would drive my folks crazy by playing their John Gary record that had his version of Guantanamara on it. It was such a beautiful version too, & I remember being under the impression that it was actually John Gary that sang to us on the Queen of New Westminster & so I was actually listening to the version performed there. All I'm sure of is I drove my Dad crazy listening to that song, & as soon as it ended each time, back the needle would go to the beginning each time. I would sit there in front of the Record Player for hours, listening to that same song over & over again. I remember asking my dad if he liked that song too. (After he had involuntarily listened to it about 100 times in a row) he answered diplomatically by telling me he liked the song after it better. Well I wanted Dad to enjoy himself too, so I began playing BOTH songs. After all, I wanted Dad to enjoy the music too. Poor Dad. If his plan was to get me to stop playing that song, I guess it backfired. Actually, I really have to hand it to my parents. Neither one of them, ever once told me to "Stop playing that damn song." Neither did Mom. I think they both saw how much music meant to me & they were very accommodating on the issue. Another ferry trip that stands out for me, is the Christmas trip on the Queen of Surrey. I remember Mother picking me up from the babysitter one afternoon, & walking down the block to the Dairy Queen to get some goodies for the long trip. Mother had a blue 2-door Pinto & it was parked across the street. I remember getting into it & hearing: Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey, by Wings on the radio & I particularly remember the trumpet part standing out. Especially when Mother put her OWN words to the passage singing: "Hurry up ferry, hurry up ferry, hurry up ferry, hurry up.." as we raced down the Upper Levels Hwy to the Ferry Terminal at Horshoe Bay. I have a vague recollection of being struck by the sight of the Queen of Surrey in berth with its Bow up. Mother explained to me that its nose was broken. Mother always had a unique sense of humor, & a particular penchant for assigning Human qualities to inanimate objects. But it was quite a sight to behold. The thing that stands out for me most from that sailing was the glorious Christmas tree, front & center of the Forward Lounge. It looked beautiful, almost magical. Especially to a little 5-year-old boy, whose eyes were already filled with wonder at the very world around him. I must have dozed off during the crossing, because I don't remember anything else except being absolutely terror-stricken as were standing in the Aft Car Deck, as we were coming into dock at Departure Bay, & the ship rattling all over the place, as the big engines came to bare, as we maneuvered in to dock. The big aft doors were open & it was Night out, so all I could see out was what little of the world swung past the opening. I remember bawling, screaming as It seemed the world was coming to an end. Poor Mother. She couldn't handle me & required the assistance of a stranger to calm me. I can't remember what he did, or said exactly, I just get the vaguest impression of him just talking kindly to me & at one point, both him & Mother holding my hand. Whatever it was, it worked & I eventually calmed down. Since it was nighttime now, we got a room at the Highlander Motel, & once again, I was in my glory as I took over our floor & discovered such wonders as the Ice Cube Machine. I would find great satisfaction in being able to get ice, & for FREE yet! Mother would have to repeatedly tell me to not play with the thing. The next morning, Mother took me to Denny's for breakfast, conveniently located just behind the Motel, & while I quite I enjoyed the novelty of eating out, my Head (& heart) were still on the Queen of Surrey. I mean I was fascinated by that ship. Particularly, the opening & closing nose aspect. After Breakfast, we were on the road, down the Island Hwy to Ladysmith & Aunty Agnes's. I have to confess right here that I don't think I ever truly developed the kind of relationship with her that perhaps other children get to develop with their Aunties, & I mourn that missed opportunity. I know that my antics on this particular trip didn't help towards fostering such a relationship. You see, all I could think of when we were there was the Queen of Surrey. I wanted so bad to have a toy version of that ferry. And since there were no such items available, I looked for the closest thing. Aunty Agnes had on her Mantelpiece, a beautiful wooden model of the Santa Maria. I wasn't conscious of it's historical significance. I only was aware that there were 3 such ships (yes I did know all 3 ships names) this would fit the bill nicely as my toy ferry for now. So I began playing with it. I knew Aunt Agnes was uncomfortable with me playing with it, but I was going to play with it, until somebody told me to stop. I guess I was already into testing limits, & seeing how much I could get away with. And besides, Dad wasn't around to enforce any kind of discipline. I guess I never truly respected my mother’s authority. It was always Dad who's discipline I feared. It's not to say my sole purpose & intent when I was away with Mother, was to wreck havoc. I just didn't feel as much pressure to behave. I remember returning to school after that trip, I think I was in Grade 2. I was a lost cause for months after, as all I could do was render bad, even by Children standards-drawings of the Queen of Surrey. And when I wasn’t obsessing over that, it was Engine 51 from the TV show EMERGENCY! I just loved the design of that 1973 Ward La France. Not to mention, the bright red Fire Engines. Yes, it’s safe to say that BC Ferries & EMERGENCY! Were the only things that mattered to me at the time. The teachers would bang their heads against the wall trying to drill the required curriculum into me, but to no avail. I didn't understand the full purpose of school then. All I knew it was a regimen my parents required me to go through 5 days a week, & I never questioned it. To this day, in fact I still don't understand the purpose of school. Other than, perhaps to learn how to socialize with other children. An important lesson, I suppose as we end up working alongside 5 year olds in business suits. But as for MY childhood, there's no question that my happiest memories are associated with B.C. Ferries. Like the time the new Queen of Coquitlam entered service. There had been all kinds of hype during her construction with her & her Sister ship being the largest double ended ferries in the world. Our Beaver Scouts even went to the Shipyard to attend her official launch. I remember Dad promising we'd get to take a trip on her, & even looking forward to it SO MUCH. But when the day came, a Saturday I think it was. We didn't end up going, as promised. I don't exactly remember just what the reason was that we couldn't go. All I remember is that it devastated me. Something I had been looking so forward to for so long, suddenly pulled out from under me. I seem to recall this now, as in fact- my first real disappointment in life. Unfortunately, I also remember throwing quite the tantrum. I screamed, I cried. I threw everything in the arsenal at my folks, but when it became clear that they weren't going to cave, & I eventually tired out. I may have lost that round, but I would get a ferry trip out of Mother again later that year. The memory that stands out on THIS trip is the return trip home on the Queen of Burnaby. The image I recall most vividly is standing at the bow opening on the Car Deck. We had started unusually early to go down to the Car Deck to prepare to disembark. There was still about 20 minutes to go until we docked, but in true Sheep fashion, once we received the commandment from the great Loudspeaker, we all obeyed without question. So as we all clamored down the stairs, we were greeted by the sight of the big bow doors already open. As I said, we were still 20 minutes out, so we were traveling at a pretty good clip, but I remember standing there, it was night out, but you could still see all the lights in the channel as we sped towards Horshoe Bay. And we really were speeding, as the sea disappeared so quickly beneath the bow of the ship. I had never witnessed such beauty. And although I was in no particular hurry to get home, there was a strange comfort, almost reassuring feeling in watching the sea rush past. I also clearly recall hearing the song: With Your Love, by Jefferson Starship at some point & I just loved it, so then once more, I had a wonderful experience, which would become forever tied to a song that I liked. It was the dawn of my musical awakening. For the rest of my life, music would provide the soundtrack to some of the most memorable experiences in my life. The next memory for me, in the Ferry Files would be the Summer of 1981. A new ship had just been built, actually (2) but the one I was particularly interested in was the 2nd version of the Queen of Surrey. You see, the ORIGINAL Queen of Surrey, the one I had obsessed over - had been re-named: Queen of The North, along with undergoing an extensive renovation & had been placed in service in the Inside Passage of British Columbia in 1980. I remember seeing her at various times at Deas Dock during her refurbishment, & especially catching a glimpse of her new name, as Dad & I, looking through his binoculars over at "The Forbidden Zone" from our safe location outside the barrier. As soon as I saw her new name, I was immediately disappointed That they had changed her name to begin with. And second, it was such a stupid name! "Queen of The North"? It sounded like a cop-out name. Like somebody had been given charge of renaming her, & they couldn't be bothered to select a town to name her after - so they just gave her a general geographical name. In any case - it sucked. It wasn't till years later that I would find out that she was never meant to remain on the Horshoe Bay Nanaimo route. That she had been purchased by the Government & hastily put in service on that run, only because their had been such a dramatic increase in traffic on that route that they needed an extra ship immediately. Despite the fact they were already building (3) other ships, that wouldn't be completed for a couple of years. But, in the meantime, they needed a ship immediatately to help out till the new ships were built. So, in a way I had been very fortunate to travel on her during this time, as it was actually a brief window of opportunity. But this NEW Queen of Surrey was a big double ender like the two ships that had been built in 1976, whose purpose THEN, was to replace (ironically) the ORIGINAL Queen of Surrey. (Now called Queen of The North) You follow me? Anyway, like the launching of the Queen of Coquitlam, I was able to witness the launch of this ship too, & remember being so curious as to what her interior looked like as I gazed up at the blue Tarp covered windows. As it turned out, I wouldn't have long to wait. It was early morning, September '81. We were parked in the line up at Horshoe Bay, waiting for the 10 A.M. ferry & our first glimpse of the new Queen of Surrey in service & now fully painted. Sure enough, shortly after we arrived, we heard the trademark three tone horn, echoing from behind the Bluffs in the sound, & as we all turned our heads in unison towards the sound. A ship freshly painted in Pastel Blue &
To be continued...
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Post by Low Light Mike on May 20, 2007 17:32:26 GMT -8
Hey thanks for sharing, Biff. You and Bart are welcome back here any time. Zig Zag !
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Post by WettCoast on May 20, 2007 18:31:22 GMT -8
Thanks for the dose of nostalgia Biff. I enjoyed that. Brings back fond memories of the pastel blue era.
Some day some enlightened BC ferry president will bring back Classic BCF and restore the dogwood and the original colour scheme. Am I dreaming, or what?
Mating Slugs Be Gone!
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Post by Low Light Mike on Feb 22, 2008 6:46:04 GMT -8
More evidence of the easy-going GulfIslands lifestlye colliding with evil things such as clocks & schedules. ;D www.canada.com/vancouverisland/nanaimo/story.html?id=568603f5-c804-4f38-9509-160412ec8d7a==================== On-time ferry annoys islanders Strict adherence to ticket sale cutoffs is inconvenient, says Gabriola passenger Valerie Wilson Daily News Friday, February 22, 2008 Some Gabriola Island residents say they are being left at the dock so that B.C. Ferries can meet performance targets. The residents are also fed up with fare hikes (a 4.4% increase takes place April 1) and want an immediate freeze on fares until the ferry corporation's performance contract is reviewed by the provincial government. A meeting with B.C. Ferries officials, including Rob Clarke, chief financial officer, was slated to take place Thursday night at the Gabriola Community Hall. But residents like Veronica Hartman weren't holding their breath that the meeting would bring about positive change. According to Hartman, foot passengers must purchase their tickets no later than five minutes prior to the scheduled sailing time, while vehicle passengers have to arrive at the terminal three minutes before the ship sails. It's a rule she says is resulting in ample space on the ferry during the 20-minute crossing. "They are leaving people behind on both sides," she said. "They jump out in front of people who are just at the booth and could have made it in another couple of seconds." Hartman claimed even people with disabilities have been left to wait for the next sailing because they barely missed the cutoff. "It's a commuter ferry," Hartman said. "On Gabriola we help pay for (B.C.'s) highways and that is our only road to get off (the Island). We have no other way." Company spokesman Mark Stefanson said the reason for the cutoff times is safety. "We had a truck roll into the water," he said referring to an incident in January 2007. "That was the direct result of not being 100% adherent to safety regulations." He also said non-union masters on ships get a monetary bonus related to on-time performance. On the Gabriola Island run, only the senior master is excluded from the union. Hartman is organizing a protest, tentatively set for March 8, that could involve delaying the departure of one of the morning sailings leaving Gabriola. According to the B.C.Ferries website, www.bcferries.com, a vessel is considered to depart late if it leaves the dock 10 minutes or later past the scheduled departure time. In 2006, company statistics show that sailings throughout the ferry system departed late 14% of the time, on average. VWilson@nanaimodailynews.com 250-729-4235 © The Daily News (Nanaimo) 2008 ============================ So, when the "protest" happens, will the protest start on-time, or will it just be "hey show up whenever, man...."?
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Post by Northern Exploration on Feb 22, 2008 8:23:10 GMT -8
That is funny!
*Begin sarcasm here* Maybe they should secede from Canada and join a tropical Island and the "we go when we go" philosophy for "scheduled events". So if they miss their connections and miss a Drs. appointment then as the Spanish say there is always manana (the tomorrow which may or may not come). I guess there are too many fender benders in the rush hour traffic on the expressways that criss cross the Island. Either that or the there is a problem with the subway system and they get delayed and miss the ferry. Either that or the Anti- Ferry Coalition of Deer who block the roads to make the Islanders late are stepping up their protests. *end Sarcasm*
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Post by Mill Bay on Feb 22, 2008 8:44:17 GMT -8
I was just noticing how appropriate the title of this thread would be for another new I-Class ship.
The 'Island Time', sister to the 'Island Sky'.
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Post by Kam on Feb 22, 2008 10:11:53 GMT -8
Good grief... if they know when the cut off it, perhaps they should make an effort to be at the terminal before hand...
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Post by Low Light Mike on Feb 22, 2008 12:29:39 GMT -8
I was just noticing how appropriate the title of this thread would be for another new I-Class ship. The 'Island Time', sister to the 'Island Sky'. Island Earth Island Wind and Island Fire part of the "R&B Class" of vessels.... ;D
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Post by Quatchi on Feb 22, 2008 12:32:01 GMT -8
According to the B.C.Ferries website, www.bcferries.com, a vessel is considered to depart late if it leaves the dock 10 minutes or later past the scheduled departure time. In 2006, company statistics show that sailings throughout the ferry system departed late 14% of the time, on average. This is a general question. A ship is late on the second sailing of the day, therefore is probably going to be late on the 3rd sailing and the 4th. Would you consider the 3rd and 4th sailings to be late or on time based on a modified schedule? What I am asking is if the ship is late once but then doesn't loose any more time during the day is every sailing then considered late? Cheers,
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Post by DENelson83 on Feb 22, 2008 13:23:20 GMT -8
I thought Island Time was a half-hour behind Pacific Time, like Newfoundland Time is a half-hour ahead of Atlantic Time.
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Post by Scott on Feb 22, 2008 18:16:55 GMT -8
It's an interesting setup at Nanaimo Harbour. When walk-ons pay, they have to go to the same booth as the vehicle traffic. I can see where people might get frustrated as it nears time for ticket sales to end. However I think it's reasonable to expect passengers to show up 5 minutes before a sailing. I would expect some leniency if the ferry is late though. I can understand for a small route like that if people saw what stage the ferry was across the harbour and time their arrival on that basis. I think being strict on the "scheduled departure" might be a bit harsh.
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Post by Scott on Mar 28, 2008 19:15:03 GMT -8
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