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Post by BreannaF on Jun 7, 2010 23:08:05 GMT -8
I never said anything about climbing aboard a retired BC Ferry... did I?........ But um... yeah. What would be adequate to protect me if I were oh so hypothetically going to be getting onto the Queen of Vancouver? I doubt asbestos would be an issue there. For educational purposes only:Safety in the workplace: Protection against asbestos in the workplace Asbestos respirators on GoogleFrankly, I wouldn't consider it to be worth the risk to my health to try. Nor would it be something I would be willing to try if I wanted to have a career in something, say, marine-related. Not a good thing to have on your record. Finally, as a parent of two former teenagers who seem to have lived through adolescence and made it to adulthood without too many permanent scars, let me just say that you wouldn't want your parents finding out about this scheme now, would you?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 14, 2010 17:18:59 GMT -8
For those who are following FIFA2010 and saw the England-USA match on Saturday:
- here are the highlights, done with Lego.
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Post by Balfour on Jun 14, 2010 21:10:01 GMT -8
I had a Lego soccer set when I was a kid. It was awesome!!!
Brilliant find Mr. Horn!
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Post by Neil on Jun 20, 2010 10:49:46 GMT -8
I second the sentiments expressed by Mr Horn in his avatar comment on the vuvuzela.
There are aspects of the sports fan mentality that I really dislike, but most of the time, I at least understand them. Even dumping a beer over the head of an opposing fan can be explained, at least on an ignorant, brutish tribal level.
But the moronic, incessant wasp like droning of those confounded horns? I'm baffled.
They don't signify excitement, or ecstasy, or disappointment; they don't cheer on a team or intimidate opponents. They're blown without regard to what's happening on the field, or even to who's playing. They don't signify anything other than "I'm at the World Cup, and I've got a five dollar plastic horn, so I'm going to blow it."
This World Cup is completely lacking in crowd personality. Most of the time, any cheering, singing, or chanting is drowned out by the vuvuzelas. Players find it hard to communicate, and casual fans watching on TV are probably driven away by the stupid din. FIFA is loathe to alienate the South African fans after giving Africa it's first ever World Cup competition, but the whole tournament would be vastly improved by banning the things.
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Post by lmtengs on Jun 20, 2010 13:08:58 GMT -8
"I'm at the World Cup, and I've got a five dollar plastic horn, so I'm going to blow it." Ah, Neil, you're great. ;D I for one do not support the outright BANNING of vuvuzelas, but I do think that the sale of vuvuzelas at event sites should be banned, and that a group of however many people should be allowed to bring no more than 3 vuvuzelas, unless there are less than 3 people, in which case the amount of vuvuzelas would be limited to equal the amount of people in the group. No single fan (or not fan) would be permitted to have more than one vuvuzela on their person at any given time, either. Maybe instead of vuvuzelas, they can sell low-quality trumpets with built-in straight-mutes
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 20, 2010 14:48:56 GMT -8
Maybe instead of vuvuzelas, they can sell low-quality trumpets with built-in straight-mutes That's a good one. I was using a straight-mute to mimic the vuvuzela sound, this morning.
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Post by lmtengs on Jun 20, 2010 16:11:12 GMT -8
Maybe instead of vuvuzelas, they can sell low-quality trumpets with built-in straight-mutes That's a good one. I was using a straight-mute to mimic the vuvuzela sound, this morning. How did it sound? I'd think it'd be a quieter noise than what the voovoo makes. Quieter and less buzzy-sounding.
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Post by Neil on Jun 20, 2010 18:31:12 GMT -8
Different culture there laddie. Consider the Canucks game you're at. Not in the reds, but in the upper bloos. You'll hear grade school swearing and words you wouldn't want your Mum to hear. Some yelling which detracts from watching the game. How could the players possibly hear a person in the upper blues? You don't hear the yelling on Hockey Night in Canada or Team Tne Forty. Equivalent to the vuvuzela are the orange Long Horns you hear at BC Lions Games. But you don't hear much at MLB baseball games in the States. Baseball is so borning people are just laid back bored to death so much they can't even get the energy to say anything even though they have the energy to lift a hot dog with mustard and relish. But take English Football (soccer). No vuvuzelas there, the spectators get into more intense things. They tear each other apart Paul, there is no local equivalent to the vuvuzela experience. Those horns you mention at Lions games number a handful, not thousands. They don't drown out all other sounds. Lions fans set up a ruckus when the opposition's quarterback is calling signals, but there's a point to that. As for the occasional foul language from hockey fans, again, I don't see where the analogy is to the monotonous din at the World Cup. I had season tickets to the Whitecaps back when they played at Empire Stadium and BC Place. The atmosphere was great, with the singing, chanting, even the "oogie, oogie, oogie" routine that I confess to leading at times (usually after a couple or more brews). There is no way I would have attended those games if I knew that from beginning to end, all one was going to hear was the incessant drone of thousands of cheap horns. We're told that the South African fans have gotten behind all the African teams, but watching today's Brazil - Ivory Coast contest, you wouldn't know it. Pretty much the only sound was the vuvuzelas. It can be white knuckle action, or the dreary incompetence of the English the other day, but the sound remains the same. It's irritating and takes away from the rythm of the game.
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Post by Mill Bay on Jun 20, 2010 18:37:16 GMT -8
I'll admit that I never even knew those horns had a brand name, unless it was 'Made by Cheap, Inc.' I haven't been watching the World Cup, but one observation I could make is that wherever it goes, it always seems to draw something, and generally many things, to an extreme level. This year's particular irritant seems to be the cheap plastic horns, but if it wasn't that, it would definitely be something else. Sometimes I'm almost surprised that any actual soccer playing ever gets down amidst the general uproar surrounding the games.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 20, 2010 19:37:39 GMT -8
That's a good one. I was using a straight-mute to mimic the vuvuzela sound, this morning. How did it sound? I'd think it'd be a quieter noise than what the voovoo makes. Quieter and less buzzy-sounding. It was pretty clear & loud. A harmon-mute with "stem in" makes a buzzier sound, like a duck being strangled.
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Post by WettCoast on Jun 20, 2010 21:40:33 GMT -8
Re the vuvuzela...
My angle is noise. I personally have hearing loss and wear hearing aids, one in each ear. They help, but are no substitute for maintaining good hearing.
Then there is my living - Industrial/Occupational Hygiene Technician with a primary responsibility in the field of noise. Amongst other things I do long term occupational hearing loss claims exposure assessments. I also study results of hearing testing (audiograms) done on employees where I work. This year we have about 100 university students working in noise exposed jobs and most were given hearing tests at the start of their employment. Test results show that fully one third of those students tested are already showing damage to their hearing at the ripe old age of 19. It will get worse. We live in a loud society. We love loud. We give not a second thought to hearing loss because its effects are slow and very subtle. It typically takes 20 years for the effects of hearing loss to begin severely impacting one's quality of life.
Back to the vuvuzela...
I am guessing that your ear positioned at one metre distance from one of these being 'played' is exposed to a noise level of about 85 dB. WorkSafe BC permits 8 hours of noise exposure at 85 dB. Now, imagine yourself in a stadium with 5000 of these noise makers 'playing' in unison. The noise level will now be in excess of 120 dB. WorkSafe BC regulations will permit only 7 seconds of noise exposure at 121 dB. A person in that soccer stadium exposed to 120 dB for two hours will receive a noise dose of more than 1000 times what WorkSafe BC will permit. The solution: wear ear plugs and over that wear a pair of ear muffs, and make sure they are used exactly as recommended by their manufacturer. Even then your exposure is still likely to be excessive.
The result: Attendance at these games very likely could have long term consequences for one's hearing. Regular attendance at events such as this puts one at much greater risk.
Are the ears of South Africans less susceptible than the ears of others? Not likely.
PS: The 'decibel' unit (dB) used for noise measurements is a 'log' measure. Noise intensity is doubled when you go up by 3 dB, halved when you go down by 3 dB. Going up by 6 dB quadruples the noise level, going up by 9 dB increases the level by eight times. Going from 85 to 120 dB represents a 2000 times increase in noise level.
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Post by lmtengs on Jun 20, 2010 22:26:59 GMT -8
That was quite an interesting, thought-provoking read. Lucky for me, the little kid living on my street running around blowing a voo-voo in people's ears has broken his 'instrument' ;D It's hard to sit on the porch and read this forum in peace with even one of those things around.
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Post by Northern Exploration on Jun 21, 2010 5:41:49 GMT -8
Wett Coast thanks for that post. I have done a lot of work for the Hearing Foundation of Canada and a friend was President of the organization so the topic is important to me. We all do things which temporarily effect our hearing. My first concert without parents or chaperones was to hear BTO. We had great seats close to the front and to one side. IE. near a speaker bank. We all left with hearing loss and had to yell to hear each other. The next day many of us had ringing in our ears. Both are serious warning signs. Hearing loss can result from an accident. Don Harron (Charlie Farguharson) lost his hearing as a result of a fall on stage when he was in a play. And their are physcial reasons why people lose their hearing like genetics or disease like measels. But the majority is preventable. Workplace safety rules have dramatically lessened hearing loss on jobsites. People at home are better but still do dumb things. When you use any power equipment you should wear hearing protection. Saws, leaf blowers, anything that emits high noise are examples. I know a hair dresser who has hearing loss from using the blow dryers. It doesn't have to be incredibly loud either to cause damage, as sustained noise at a lower decible can also cause problems. Now the kicker. IPODs and other hand held devices will be the cause of a huge spike of hearing loss in future years. With the G8/20 summit arriving here shortly and security mayhem already starting, I decided to take the subway to a meeting on Friday. About ten feet away were two girls each sharing an ear bud. On a noisy subway, with lots of people talking etc., I could clearly hear their music. I wonder if they will bedazzle their hearing aids to be more fashionable when they need them in a few years. Before it was older people in construction and manufacturing, now it is young people who are turning up with shocking hearing loss. Ty Pennington has hearing loss and wears a hearing aid, yet you see him shouting at people at close range through a bull horn routinely on his TV program. My friend has called the producers and commented on it and what a bad example it sets. My diatribe is mostly directed at the younger members of the forum. If you listen to devices with ear buds, use power tools or other noisy machinery, have your Xbox sound or movies too loud, please think twice and turn it down. It is hard to get funding to educate the public on how easy it is to protect their hearing and to make it front of mind. The people who worked with Christine Magee, have take the Sleep Country model, and are using it with hearing aids and have started Listen Up Canada. It is being established across Canada. They are providing a good product and service, and are providing funding and free advertising for hearing loss prevention. Unfortunately government funding isn't consistant across Canada, and is in most cases severely lacking. So for now protect yourself and tell your friends.
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Post by Northern Exploration on Jun 21, 2010 6:03:15 GMT -8
Maybe instead of vuvuzelas, they can sell low-quality trumpets with built-in straight-mutes That's a good one. I was using a straight-mute to mimic the vuvuzela sound, this morning. Knowing what time you get up in the morning, I am sure Mrs. Horn had something to say about waking up to that sound!
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 21, 2010 6:23:22 GMT -8
That's a good one. I was using a straight-mute to mimic the vuvuzela sound, this morning. Knowing what time you get up in the morning, I am sure Mrs. Horn had something to say about waking up to that sound! .....actually it was at church. ha ha. Are you saying that my wife sleeps during the music part of church?? ;D
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Post by lmtengs on Jun 21, 2010 9:31:42 GMT -8
My diatribe is mostly directed at the younger members of the forum. If you listen to devices with ear buds, use power tools or other noisy machinery, have your Xbox sound or movies too loud, please think twice and turn it down. Lucky for me, those 'earbud' headphones bother my ears even without any sound coming out of them I don't like loud noises either, so don't expect me with a hearing aid before the age of eighty.
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Post by lmtengs on Jun 21, 2010 9:37:36 GMT -8
Hey, does anybody know of a good, FREE computer mapping program that I can download, where if I hook up my GPS system, it will show my location on my laptop screen? I have Google Earth, but for the GPS you need to buy their 'pro' version. The program that I've been trying to use, called MapSource, came with my GPS. It always used to work to track my location, but I was forced to update the program and now it doesn't show my location anymore.
Any recommendations?
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Post by Northern Exploration on Jun 21, 2010 11:20:05 GMT -8
Knowing what time you get up in the morning, I am sure Mrs. Horn had something to say about waking up to that sound! .....actually it was at church. ha ha. Are you saying that my wife sleeps during the music part of church?? ;D Wow. Lotus land is getting very progressive. I have heard of traditional worship. I have heard of Churches having jazz or contemporary worship services. But never have I heard a Vuvu styled worship. Oh I get it, to get people to Church you had a World Cup themed service. I am sure the congregation left buzzing about it.
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Post by Curtis on Jun 21, 2010 12:32:26 GMT -8
My diatribe is mostly directed at the younger members of the forum. If you listen to devices with ear buds, use power tools or other noisy machinery, have your Xbox sound or movies too loud, please think twice and turn it down. Lucky for me, those 'earbud' headphones bother my ears even without any sound coming out of them I don't like loud noises either, so don't expect me with a hearing aid before the age of eighty. Personally, I hate Earbuds too. They give a very static sound and they make your ear canal sore. That's why I bought a decent pair of headphones recently. I was mainly tired of the sound quality, but the fact that teens are starting to suffer hearing loss (most likely from earbuds) pretty much took the cake.
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Post by lmtengs on Jun 23, 2010 9:52:12 GMT -8
Is there a way to get free nautical charts online for Canada? I tried to look for it, and they have it for America, so I assume there must be a way to get them here too. I was able to find one called "Approaches to the Georgia Strait" which goes up into Canada a bit, but that was it. Any help here?
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jun 23, 2010 11:45:29 GMT -8
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Jun 23, 2010 11:56:40 GMT -8
A couple of weeks ago, someone at work set the temperature in the refridgerator too low (accidentally or otherwise), resulting in several cans of pop exploding and creating quite the mess. Here's the result: KER-POW ;D
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Post by Neil on Jun 23, 2010 12:15:53 GMT -8
Wow. A fridge stuffed full of pop, jam, syrup, and artificial whipping cream. Anybody work there who's over the age of twelve?
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Post by Curtis on Jun 23, 2010 21:34:15 GMT -8
Yikes, they pretty much "nuked the fridge." would hate to be the one who has to clean that up.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 24, 2010 9:07:12 GMT -8
re FIFA 2010: For Neil and other followers of the Azzurri, I'm sorry to hear of your loss today. I'm looking forward to watching the round-2 matches this weekend, especially England-Germany.
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