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Post by mrdot on Jun 30, 2011 19:40:14 GMT -8
:)perhaps some day a very intellegent knowlegable individual will do an exaustive study of how political meddling has buggared up ferry policy in BC, but untill then we need to put the sorry Clark era and the following set of fools who compounded all his errors to make bad ferry policy even worse, to bed. -question to Kenelyside, if Clark was such a numbskull, how come Jimmy Pattison took him into business with him? but rite wingers have their daffy moments too, don't they! :)promice I will return to shipwatching and leave this rant stuff alone! :)mrdot.
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Post by Mike C on Jul 10, 2011 12:15:21 GMT -8
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Post by FNS on Jul 10, 2011 14:24:38 GMT -8
I was in Tacoma Friday night for a concert by the fellas who would say: "Here we come, walking down the street, we get the funniest looks from everyone we meet!" I think you'll know what group I did see. Best show by this group ever! The sky was getting blue on this Saturday morning. You know which mountain this is! Pictured from my hotel room. The theater where the fellas performed the night before. Went into the Washington State History Museum for the first time. You could spend a lot of hours in this one! This is a partial of what they have to offer about transportation. That's a model replica of a Boeing 742 (747-200) you see hung from overhead. This is an Alaska Airlines Boeing 721 (727-100). I've flown in one of these older variations of the Model 727 as well as a 742 et al. Oh, yes, a museum like this will not forget to include The Beatles! It would be the same date a year later when The Monkees would fill the Seattle Center Coliseum. Both groups stayed at the Edgewater on Seattle's waterfront. I love The Beatles! And, The Monkees, too!! Moving over to cars, this is what's inside a Volkswagen. This is part of the huge model railroad they have there at the museum. It's based on northwest railroads in the 1950s. That Tacoma waterfront attraction you see was the Top of the Ocean Restaurant. Built in 1946, this ship-like restaurant was built on pilings. Another view of this restaurant with an HO replica of a Northern Pacific passenger train passing by. Sadly, this bit the dust. Seattle's Showboat Theatre was another example of a ship-like structure built on pilings. This was next to the University of Washington. That's gone, now, too. Tacoma is a neat town to visit. I didn't smell any aroma, though. Clean air, which was good for my nostrils! ;D
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Post by lmtengs on Jul 14, 2011 16:58:47 GMT -8
Here's some HST stuff. A little late I guess, but anyway:
Note that there are a few small instances of language in the 15-minute video.
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Post by FNS on Jul 15, 2011 7:34:21 GMT -8
Here's a YouTube video presentation of a trip from Seattle to Alaska via the Inside Passage I found this morning:
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Post by Ferryman on Jul 22, 2011 12:42:47 GMT -8
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Post by WettCoast on Jul 23, 2011 16:25:15 GMT -8
I am wishing my son Benjamin strength, endurance & speed as he represents Canada early tomorrow morning at the Pan American Junior Track & Field Championships in Miramar, Florida. His event, the 10,000 metre race walk, goes at 4:30 AM PDT. So far this year he has set a new record in the BC High School's 1500 metre RW, and new Canadian records for his age group (junior men) at 5000 and 10,000 metre distances. halfmiletiming.com/Datafiles/Spring2011/PanAmJr11/Results/110722F026.htmGo Ben, Go!
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 23, 2011 16:56:56 GMT -8
I am wishing my son Benjamin strength, endurance & speed as he represents Canada early tomorrow morning at the Pan American Junior Track & Field Championships in Miramar, Florida. Go Ben !
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Post by lmtengs on Jul 28, 2011 22:07:20 GMT -8
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Post by Neil on Aug 9, 2011 12:55:21 GMT -8
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Post by Kam on Aug 10, 2011 9:57:08 GMT -8
Anyone else hear this: M/V Ken Mackenzie had an uncertified Master in charge when it hit the Queensboro rail bridge. Lee Henshaw does not have any marine certification and is continually running boats that require certification - including Rustler, Viking Monarch, Cindy Mozel, and Allison Nicole. [unknown source 5-8-11] cargolaw.com/presentations_casualties.php
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Post by FNS on Aug 19, 2011 0:46:27 GMT -8
Well, folks. Even when the sky is blue, you'll still have to watch for anything that comes down at you. Especially when it comes from a seagull. The Port Townsend Leader has an explanation on what seagulls can do to just about anything: 8/17/2011 6:00:00 AM Gull dang it! More gulls means more droppings to dodgeBy Nicholas Johnson of the Leader They flock and they squawk and they swoop. And worst of all, they ... The rest of this can be read at: ptleader.com/main.asp?SectionID=36&SubSectionID=55&ArticleID=29835I was at the Mariners game on Tuesday night in the "Safe". The gull infestation was rather high there that evening. I watched them fly around and doing their droppings in the stands. Quite awful, to say the least. I did see some folks take a napkin from the condiment stands to wipe up the stuff from the seats.
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Post by lmtengs on Aug 19, 2011 21:16:57 GMT -8
Just a quick question: Could somebody explain to me the reasoning behind the two different terms "MS" and "MV" prior to a ship's name? MS (Motor Ship) is used predominantly in Europe, and MV (Motor Vessel) is used in North America. Why don't they standardize?
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Post by lmtengs on Aug 22, 2011 8:56:42 GMT -8
For anyone who hasn't heard yet, Jack Layton lost his battle to cancer overnight. Here's his letter to all Canadians: news.nationalpost.com/2011/08/22/jack-laytons-letter-to-canadians/I'm sure he will be very missed. Mr. Layton brought the NDP from essentially, a joke to the Official Opposition. He inspired a country, and he managed to do this while fighting this horrible disease. I will always wonder what he would have been able to do if he were at 100% for this last election. Rest in Peace, Jack Layton.
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Post by Neil on Aug 22, 2011 9:26:32 GMT -8
I'm sure he will be very missed. Mr. Layton brought the NDP from essentially, a joke to the Official Opposition. He inspired a country, and he managed to do this while fighting this horrible disease. I will always wonder what he would have been able to do if he were at 100% for this last election. Rest in Peace, Jack Layton. You're perhaps too young to understand the long history of this party, and how, to a sizeable minority of voters in this country, it has never been a joke. Tommy Douglas was not a joke, nor was David Lewis, Ed Broadbent, or many others, and the ideals that were expressed in the founding CCF still resonate with many Canadians. Jack Layton was a man of integrity- dynamic, and full of ideas. He elevated the discussion of policy in politics. There is no question he was personally responsible for a good part of the party's gains in the last election. I feel a real sense of loss at his death. He had so much still to accomplish.
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Post by mrdot on Aug 22, 2011 10:02:10 GMT -8
:)to use the term joke in this context of todays sad news event is only reflecting on youthful ignorance, but the term fits the description of the present day- so called private model of our ferry system! mrdot.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Aug 22, 2011 11:40:28 GMT -8
I'm saddened by the news of Mr. Layton's death. I admired him for his style and commitment, and for many of his ideals.
Given the recent election breakthrough of the large number of seats won, the official-opposition status, and the delicate Quebec caucus issues, I was looking forward to seeing how Mr. Layton handled leading his opposition party.
I think that it's not an exaggeration to say that the timing of his illness and death are a political-tragedy considering the very recent election breakthrough.
I've read most of his "Speaking Up" book (I got distracted a year or so ago, and it's at a bottom of pile somewhere at home), and I'll need to find it and finish reading it.
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Regarding the poor choice of the "joke" word earlier today, I think I'll just leave it at that, a poor choice of words.
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Post by Mill Bay on Aug 22, 2011 21:18:06 GMT -8
Given the recent election breakthrough of the large number of seats won, the official-opposition status, and the delicate Quebec caucus issues, I was looking forward to seeing how Mr. Layton handled leading his opposition party. It will be interesting to see if a successor can be found that will be able to build upon the party's success and keep it harmonized, or if the party strength and unity will fade away without the right leader.
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Post by Northern Exploration on Aug 23, 2011 7:56:42 GMT -8
I understand fully what Viking was saying and the sense of the word "joke", often used in everday language, especially among younger people. When a team does poorly the game is often refered to as a "joke." Not a haha in any sense, but rather strongly disappointing. In Broadbent's own words, he was very fearful of the party's future and the real potential for its demise. Hence, its performance was severly disappointing and in that sense a joke. So much so, rather than back his close friend and the heir presumptive, Broadbent backed Jack because he knew Jack had a better chance of making the party more relvent to more Canadians. Viking said nothing about the history of the party. If he had added a time frame reference such as "when Jack took over the party was a joke" it would have been clearer.
But language never stays static and is constantly evolving whether people like it or not. Or we would be still calling people strumpets and thee-ing and thoust-ing all over the place. I love Shakespeare, and still prefer the King James version for the Christmas story and the Psalms. But I don't expect that others might agree with me. But I do expect that a forum that aspires to be cross generational, has older participants who are somewhat understanding of younger participants (it wasn't that long ago that a much larger percentage was younger). And those more mature members, perhaps be less quick to condemn, or ask for clarification, and as Jack said "give them a careful hearing."
I have met Jack probably over 15 times, starting when he was a City Counsellor. He was always the same passionate, warm, friendly, inclusive and caring person. I know people who worked on his and Olivia's campaigns. I appreciated his support for Young Street Mission and other inner city agencies I was involved with. I saw him at countless other events and fundraisers. I usually agreed with his identification of a problem and that something needed to be done, just disagreed on the solutions. I never voted for Jack as a politician nor his party, however as a person he got my full support. I will be attending the funeral with a diehard liberal who also never voted for the party but also was a fan of all the man stood for. Jack was more valuable as a person, than just as a party leader. I hope more people like him join politics, regardless of party.
As much as I am a nostalgic person, what I think is unfortunate is the death of a person, not alone a statesman, being equated to the evolution of a company, business or government agency. In my books, human life is a world away from a mere enterprize. But that is my humble opinion (IMHO), or not so humble if you like.
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Post by lmtengs on Aug 23, 2011 11:07:17 GMT -8
Regarding my reference to the NDP's former status as "essentially, a joke"....
I was referring to such political lumps as the Waffle, and of course Tommy Douglas, the crushing 9 seat Audrey McLaughlin defeat of '93, its steady run afterwards, winning 21, 13, but never more.
Then comes Jack Layton, who took on the NDP in 2003, when they had only 14 seats in Parliament. His gain was slow, but he brought the party up, from 19 in his first election, 29 in 2006, 30-something in 2008, to a whopping 103 this May.
The NDP were, and I stick to my word, an essential joke in past decades. When Jack took over the party, he stepped in, and though it took him almost a decade, he rose his party to Official Opposition for the first time ever. If Layton hadn't lost his battle, the NDP could very well have won in 2015. By the end of Jack Layton's term as leader, the New Democrats were no joke.
And sure Neil, Canada has a sizeable minority of voters, but that statement just further supports my point. He, with the help of his party, had to convince THAT MANY people to vote for the NDP. An amazing accomplishment, for sure.
I hope that clears things up instead of stirring them up more...
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Post by Low Light Mike on Aug 23, 2011 11:28:20 GMT -8
I was referring to such political lumps as the Waffle, and of course Tommy Douglas, So how is Tommy Douglas a joke ? Or are you referring to Federal election results under his leadership? - Is it just because he never won a significant number of nationwide seats? Or do you speak of his ideals? Or his personal integrity? ps: I still find the "joke" word offensive or at least a poor choice of words. - Rhino party would be a joke, but for parties like NDP and Green,there are lots of passionate members who've supported those parties for a long time and who happen to be an enduring minority.
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Post by lmtengs on Aug 23, 2011 11:42:17 GMT -8
I was referring to such political lumps as the Waffle, and of course Tommy Douglas, So how is Tommy Douglas a joke ? Or are you referring to Federal election results under his leadership? - Is it just because he never won a significant number of nationwide seats? Or do you speak of his ideals? Or his personal integrity? ps: I still find the "joke" word offensive or at least a poor choice of words. - Rhino party would be a joke, but for parties like NDP and Green,there are lots of passionate members who've supported those parties for a long time and who happen to be an enduring minority. I suppose that I'm still jaded from the time that you called the former NDP BC leader a "scumbag"..... Sorry, David Lewis, not Tommy Douglas. Douglas was a great man, brainchild behind public healthcare. I had his name in my head while typing because you mentioned his name in your PM. I really disliked the way Lewis dealt with issues. He seemed to have a knack for dealing with things himself rather than working with his party to get things done. The whole Waffle dealing, and just to mention it, the fact that he never told anyone, even his family, that he had Leukemia for his last two years in office. Just an overall unlikeable character, in my eyes. EDIT: Scumbag was definitely the wrong choice of words at the time. I never liked Carole James' methods and still don't, but I was caught up in the moment when I used that wording.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Aug 23, 2011 11:50:09 GMT -8
Thanks for the back-and-forth, Viking. I appreciate you taking the time for the various elaborations, and now I need to get caught-up on my history (because I'm ignorant of the Waffle thing).
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Post by lmtengs on Aug 23, 2011 12:04:25 GMT -8
Thanks for the back-and-forth, Viking. I appreciate you taking the time for the various elaborations, and now I need to get caught-up on my history (because I'm ignorant of the Waffle thing). In a nutshell, an extreme-left-wing group in the NDP back in the '70s. Mostly young members of the party. David Lewis pretty much gave them two choices, smarten up or get out. They 'got out', and started their own party that dissolved within a few years.
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Post by Neil on Aug 23, 2011 13:23:24 GMT -8
...the Conservatives are not a idealogical party Always intrigues me how people on the right only see ideology on the left. Regarding my reference to the NDP's former status as "essentially, a joke".... I was referring to such political lumps as the Waffle, and of course Tommy Douglas, the crushing 9 seat Audrey McLaughlin defeat of '93, its steady run afterwards, winning 21, 13, but never more. Then comes Jack Layton, who took on the NDP in 2003, when they had only 14 seats in Parliament. His gain was slow, but he brought the party up, from 19 in his first election, 29 in 2006, 30-something in 2008, to a whopping 103 this May. The NDP were, and I stick to my word, an essential joke in past decades. When Jack took over the party, he stepped in, and though it took him almost a decade, he rose his party to Official Opposition for the first time ever. If Layton hadn't lost his battle, the NDP could very well have won in 2015. By the end of Jack Layton's term as leader, the New Democrats were no joke. And sure Neil, Canada has a sizeable minority of voters, but that statement just further supports my point. He, with the help of his party, had to convince THAT MANY people to vote for the NDP. An amazing accomplishment, for sure. I hope that clears things up instead of stirring them up more... Doesn't really clear anything up other than confirm, in my mind, my earlier comment, despite NE's objections. When refering to someone like David Lewis, who holds the Order of Canada, as a 'political lump', you don't really do yourself any favors, because, along with calling someone else a 'scumbag' or characterizing yet another as someone who 'yells and yells and yells', there's not an indication of real insight into who you're speaking of. Being pro or con someone isn't the point; it's the need to articulate an opinion based on something substantial that makes a discussion worthwhile. For the record, David Lewis saved the NDP with his firm response to James Laxer's Waffle group. The party would have been destroyed if Laxer had won the leadership, or if his group had won a more permanent role. The Wafflers never really formed a viable party afterwards, and many returned to the NDP. And certainly, no one has any grounds or insight to criticize how someone handles a battle with an often terminal disease, as you did in your following post.
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