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Post by Hyak Steve on May 18, 2005 15:00:56 GMT -8
Here's a little updated info on why they're replacing the Hyak...
Cost of rebuilding her to squeeze another 20 years of life out of her is about 22 million. Cost of building a new boat to last about 60 years is 32 million. So for the extra money you'll get 40 more years of life out of the ferry.
Hyak is a good, dependable boat, once going nearly 3 years without missing single scheduled. She does, however, suffer from her original 1967 interior--olive, tan and yellow. Pretty bare bones even by WSF standards. The Kaleetan and Yakima got great interior refurbishments--not posh, but at least colorful and making good use of the materials. The Yakima in particular looks very nice. The Elwha is so-so not getting nearly as thorough a rebuild as the the other two.
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Post by Koastal Karl on May 18, 2005 15:29:43 GMT -8
I noticed the Elwha yesterday in Sidney and she looks like she is getting a bit rusty around the main passenger deck windows. I have only been on three WSF, the Elwha, Cathlemet and the Kitsap, and the Kitsap was the nicest. Looked like she had been refurbished or something. Also been on the Coho a few times. They pretty much are all bare bones.
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Post by Hyak Steve on May 18, 2005 16:07:22 GMT -8
The Cathlamet was refurbished about a year ago...similar job to the Kitsap but redone in dark blue and a dark, ruby red. Quite nice to the really, really bad interior she had when originally built. I'm happy that WSF has realized that there are far more colors to use in durable upholstry and floor tile than just brown, gray and olive green.  The Kitsap is pretty nice with the dark blue and green. The Elwha is getting toward the end of her career too...look for her to be replaced up the SOLAS upgraded Chelan within the next year or so. The Chelan will have also had her interior completely redone. I'll be the first to admit that commuters are hard on our boats...WSF's only experiment with carpet was on the Walla Walla and Spokane and it turned out to be fairly disasterous. It might have helped had they chosen some other color than gold...but at the time it sort of went with the wall to wall orange and yellow that was everywhere on the two ferries....ah, the 70's.... |
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Post by Dane on May 18, 2005 19:05:41 GMT -8
A sparton interior has nothing to do with the ship's passenger capacity, nor does the lack of amenities. It has to do with the way US ships are licensed in contrast to Canadian ships. Also BCF chooses not to fully license a large majority of its vessels.
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Post by SS San Mateo on May 19, 2005 6:50:27 GMT -8
Here's a little updated info on why they're replacing the Hyak... Cost of rebuilding her to squeeze another 20 years of life out of her is about 22 million. Cost of building a new boat to last about 60 years is 32 million. So for the extra money you'll get 40 more years of life out of the ferry. That makes sense, but why was $112 million allocated to replacing her? I wonder if that was due to the extra cost for repairs due to her getting banged up in a storm in late 1990? -- LB |
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Post by SS San Mateo on May 19, 2005 6:55:20 GMT -8
Could've been worse... WSF could've had disco balls on the ceiling and one of those floors with the blinking lights (like on Saturday Night Fever).
-- LB
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Post by NMcKay on May 19, 2005 13:50:48 GMT -8
didn;t the HSB - > DPB route have a ship with a disco at one point?
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Post by Curtis on May 19, 2005 14:10:52 GMT -8
Who knows might of been the Sechelt Langdale or Sunshine Coast Queen or the Queen of the North thats my guesses if it's true
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Post by Hyak Steve on May 19, 2005 14:11:58 GMT -8
Oh the 112 Million...um...they're squeezing another boat out of that. Shh, don't tell anyone. We're looking at probably 5 of those new 130 class boats. And as for the Elwha, yeah, banging her into the pier in 1990 didn't do her one bit of good. They came very, very close to scrapping her completely, but they desperately needed her. The Mark II's were still seven years off. As for disco balls...well, the Jumbos had music on board when they first went into service. That was about all they lacked.  |
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Post by SS San Mateo on May 27, 2005 21:58:42 GMT -8
Here's a little updated info on why they're replacing the Hyak... Cost of rebuilding her to squeeze another 20 years of life out of her is about 22 million. Cost of building a new boat to last about 60 years is 32 million. So for the extra money you'll get 40 more years of life out of the ferry. Only $32 million? I looked over at the WSF site to find out how much each of the new 130 car ferries would cost and it's about $71 million/ferry. Wouldn't the cost of a new ferry to replace the Hyak be higher than the cost of a 130-car ferry (assuming the replacement ferry is around the same size as the Hyak)? -- LB |
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Post by hergfest on May 27, 2005 22:15:17 GMT -8
Accoording to the WSDOT website, they allocated $66.4 million to replace the Hyak. I am sure that because all of the design work will already be done, they don't have to pay that for the fifth boat. It does mention "New Auto/Ferry 5", which to me says it will be another 130 class.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jun 7, 2005 10:54:30 GMT -8
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jul 13, 2005 7:26:46 GMT -8
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jul 13, 2005 10:22:03 GMT -8
for once in a freakin life time! they are smart not being a*******
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Post by hergfest on Jul 13, 2005 10:22:36 GMT -8
So he wants to build a stretched Issaquah class, or another four Supers?
The other side of the story is that I-912 is going to the ballot in November. It would repeal the new gas tax, which would cripple our road funds for the next ten years. This means the fifth boat would be without funding. The governor has already suggested putting off selling the first bonds in case it passes. This also means the "Down payments" on the new Alaska Way Viaduct and Evergreen Point Floating bridge replacements would be gone.
Everyone has their own opinion, but I think this would be just like the ill advised Tim Eyman initiative to get rid of the MVET a few years ago. It was a huge blow to everyone, from the WSDOT to local city's which depended on the money. Then they have to get the money from elsewhere, and raise our taxes in other places. But I am sure it will pass as soon as poeple see it will lower their taxes.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jul 13, 2005 10:24:39 GMT -8
hey hergfest where do you live? besides I think people don't want to pay no matter what no matter what they will have to pony up the dough so I think they should make toll roads on major state routes and interstates
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Post by hergfest on Jul 13, 2005 10:25:58 GMT -8
I live in Bothell. You should go to the WSDOT website and see all of what the new gas tax is paying for. There are over 250 projects all over the state.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jul 13, 2005 12:53:37 GMT -8
yes I know I live in Bremerton and I know what the gas tax is going for but if people don't want to pony up and are complaining. that would be BS
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The Kitsap is pretty nice with the dark blue and green. 
