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Post by Dane on Nov 15, 2005 12:01:14 GMT -8
Scrap value is very very very very high right now because of Asian steal demands. His smartest business decision would be to have it scrapped.
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Post by Engineer on Nov 15, 2005 13:47:29 GMT -8
If you know anything about shipping - the Sidney is in pretty good shape. The external wall's need to be sand blasted, under coated and then painted. As for her internal - little needs to be done. Fresh water and WC links - plus power, as the cables are all over 40 years old. Better be safe than sorry. One thing to say about BC Ferries - they did look after there vessels - so for something sitting around for 5 years - well I could show you a 10 year old that has sat around for 2 years and she looks bad - compared to these pictures. sorry your in a dream world .... how many totyotas can one ship make? lol |
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Post by Shane on Nov 15, 2005 15:08:46 GMT -8
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Post by Retrovision on Nov 15, 2005 15:23:14 GMT -8
"Where was everyone a few months ago.... why now ?"
I don't think any of us realized the urgency, after all, it's been years that she's been rotting on the river bank.
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If man hours will help your project at all, then sign me up. I have a lot of time for preserving westcoast nautical history, especially the Sidney and everything it represents!
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Post by Shane on Nov 15, 2005 15:40:45 GMT -8
I guess its to late.
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Post by Mac Write on Nov 15, 2005 17:09:16 GMT -8
It's never too late. The cheapest way to restore her may be to buy the Tsawwassen salvage parts from her then scrap the Tsawwasseen. We really need to think about this and see how it would work. I know it's going to be loads of work, but there is no real Ferry musuem/ferry group like there is for transit, trains etc in this province.
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Post by Doug on Nov 15, 2005 17:16:04 GMT -8
I say we wait for the Tsawwassen.
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Post by Mac Write on Nov 15, 2005 17:30:35 GMT -8
The Tsawwassen is not the first, the Sidney is. I already said this on the tour and that's what Bill said and I agree.
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Post by Doug on Nov 15, 2005 17:39:51 GMT -8
OK Mac...where are the millions of dollars you will need to refit the ship....
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Post by Scott on Nov 15, 2005 18:06:25 GMT -8
The government won't even support the Maritime Museum of British Columbia. The Vancouver Maritime Museum can hardly afford to keep the St. Roch. Despite best efforts, the Princess Margurette was scrapped. Unless you have some people with very deep pockets.. it would seem pretty hopeless in my opinion. But best of luck.
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Post by QSaanich on Nov 15, 2005 18:12:33 GMT -8
I am going to build a model of the Sidney with Harry as a reminder of the Queen of Sidney i am going to get deck plans from bill
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Post by cascade on Nov 16, 2005 6:13:17 GMT -8
Engineer, Your correct - BUT I said the vessel in terms of turning her into a museum she is in good shape. Forget any idea of getting her started up and working - waste of time and money.
The second most important thing is to get her out of water - as that eats up any cost you make from her. So she needs to sit in a dry dock.
Like I mention you need detail plan and strategy which works and is not "blue Sky". This actually takes time and money to formulate.
John: Yes you are correct - the museum you spoke of don't have the funds to look after there own - so forget about help that way. It needs a private person and a plan. The government could do something - but I personally don't think they want to nor spend money on her...as there are more pressing needs for the funds.
But then again they are spending $250,000 for a study to see what can be done about the Malahat...to me that is wasted money....but hey I am not the government, nor should I add a local tax payer.
Why hasn't the Press got behind saving the Queen ? Why hasn't the Unions got behind any idea concept of saving her? (By the way these are in our overall strategy review)
As for the support - we are looking for members to sit on a Committee. We hope to have two people from this forum - who we have contacted. The committee will have 9 people, 3 retired - preferably one who has worked on the Queen, 3 local business people, and 3 students, as we need to get the youth market involved in the project.
As for people working on her - no it is simpler and more cost effective having the major works carried out at a shipyard.
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Post by Retrovision on Nov 16, 2005 17:18:25 GMT -8
"As for people working on her - no it is simpler and more cost effective having the major works carried out at a shipyard."
I'm sure there are other ways in which we can help... Word of mouth, lobbying the gov't, lobbying local media, etc...
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"Why hasn't the Press got behind saving the Queen ?"
I know there's atleast a glimmer of hope of getting the local media involved (despite how late in the game it actually is), especially the most sensationalistic, such as Global television, and their parent company's paper "The Province" (The most sensationalistic of their two daily papers (the only two major daily papers in the city)).
I was, quite frankly, surprised to see a 'sentimental' story on Global Television's local news last night about the old "stuart building" (next to Stanley Park on Georgia Street) that was torn down way back in 1982. The whole point of the story was that a building is being built next to the building that *replaced* the historic building, covering up a mural on the new building.
If they did a whole news item about a simple mural on a modern replacement of an historic building, then I would personally be quite upset if they didn't atleast look at the possibility of doing a similar piece about the Sidney.
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Post by Ferryman on Nov 16, 2005 17:33:42 GMT -8
Yeah I saw that as well. I bet they even have footage of the Sidney being launched back in 1960. I know they have footage of WAC Bennet Launching the Bowen Queen, as I just happened to be recording the news that night. I've also seen footage of the Queen of Surrey being launched as well in North Van. So I'm sure if Global TV knew, they would do a big thing on it.
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Post by Doug on Nov 16, 2005 17:38:21 GMT -8
Well maybe BCTV News can get his anchors to put it on the air...PS: say the information is from the "Ferry Terminal" Website, not Ferries of British Columbia.
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Post by Retrovision on Nov 16, 2005 17:42:01 GMT -8
I think I can guess, but why from "the ferry terminal", not here?
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Post by Retrovision on Nov 16, 2005 17:43:57 GMT -8
Desperate times call for desperate measures... I think we need to start a letter writing campaign.
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Post by Engineer on Nov 17, 2005 1:34:56 GMT -8
Engineer, Your correct - BUT I said the vessel in terms of turning her into a museum she is in good shape. Forget any idea of getting her started up and working - waste of time and money. The second most important thing is to get her out of water - as that eats up any cost you make from her. So she needs to sit in a dry dock. Like I mention you need detail plan and strategy which works and is not "blue Sky". This actually takes time and money to formulate. That ship has to much asbestos on board, and is too far gone . The costs of even cleaning her up to allow the public on board would bankrupt any one. The cost of removing asbestos is what kills most ships.If fact you guys crawling around in the fan rooms, and engine room spaces, that have been torn apart and damaged lagging have put yourselves at a health risk breathing unseen asbestos particular in the air. |
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Post by Mac Write on Nov 17, 2005 1:41:23 GMT -8
Glad I didn't go to the Engine room and Bowel Thruster. I only took the maintenance stairs to the top.
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Post by cascade on Nov 17, 2005 7:59:14 GMT -8
Engineer,
You are correct - which is why I asked the owners what work they were doing or had done - as they were looking to pull wires out of her. They wanted to reclaim - Savage the copper wires. If the Asbestos was touched then we would walk. I was told that all the Asbestos was marked and that they hadn't gone near it. I'll take his word for the time been.
Interesting, as the GA's we have via Lloyd's, they do show in detail where most of the asbestos is, and we are working around those areas.
Clean up, yes it is better done in a shipyard, as tanks need to be empty and sealed.
Working from the GA we have - we have send a brief tender out to a number of "local" yards - pricing up the works. Still waiting for a reply back.
Parts of the vessel will be very much off bounds, due to the lack of safe guards ect...asbestos been one of them.
The question of asbestos and scrape metal - these also brings in the way she might be broken up..like I have said in the past - easy to acquire the asset - but as the owners are finding out - difficult to past it on...
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Post by Ferryman on Nov 17, 2005 7:59:25 GMT -8
There wasn't any Asbestos down there from what I could see...
Although there were some parts around the passenger deck where the asbestos fell from the roof to the floor.
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Post by cascade on Nov 17, 2005 8:12:08 GMT -8
In answering the second part of your question - why hasn't the Press got a hold of this story.
I would at these stage - bank on a line of caution. To keep the press interested you need a detail - long term campaign, which will keep the Queens interest in the public eye, not a scatter gun approach. The press campaign needs to be included with a end result - what are you hoping to achieve at the end of the day?
Work from the end to the start position - then you can map out the press - media - TV - Radio - Internet ect..campaigin. This then brings awareness - which if your trying to turn her into a Tourist destination - then you work the end result in your launch campaign - press release - letter writing - MLA calling ect...
Like I mention we have looked at and talked to 4 museum here in Europe - which handles Ships. We also know someone in BC at the Victoria Museum - a few years ago I wrote and was interviewed about the Mill Bay Ferry - so still have links there - hence how I know about there lack of funding...
This whole procure just doesn't happen over night - it takes time.
Saving the Queen was never in our overall strategy - when working on another project - which was started in August 2004 - but through this forum I was made aware of the queen. Only after checking out her history - did it fit into our plans. We are still running the numbers on her to see if it is worth while....
Positive help would be appreciated.
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Post by Starbucks Queen on Nov 17, 2005 9:50:33 GMT -8
"Saving the Queen was never in our overall strategy - when working on another project - which was started in August 2004 - but through this forum I was made aware of the queen. Only after checking out her history - did it fit into our plans. We are still running the numbers on her to see if it is worth while...."
Now, you are talking in mysteries.. who are you, and what is your plan actually ? Are you working for one of the bigger European maritime museums by any case ?
But you are so right, things like this need a good plan, and if you start going - you literally need to know where you come from and make it clear to any whom you wish to support you, and as well need to know where you are going - need to know what the purpose of your project will be. If these plans are not clure, one´s getting close to a failure.
Unfortunatelly I get the idea, that some here on this forum are very quick with big words, but very slow with actions, or let me say it like this: Now the ones who are screaming loudest about that the ship must be saved, will be the ones who do in the end not take any action at all.
Even those who talk with big words about raising money without thinking more about this, they will not do anything by themselfes but rather buy themselfes a new computer, camera, car or whatever than spending the money on "Siddy the Rustbucket". It´s our society, which does not have a very wide span of attention. It will be soon forgotten and other things will gain importance.
Sad, and I let myself sound like a pessimist but it´s just not the first time that happened, when there were sky-high plans for an historic ship.
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Post by Mac Write on Nov 17, 2005 10:38:08 GMT -8
Hey I need my computer to work, this is a fact. It's not an easy job I agree. I was looking at fund raising idea's to secure the money to save her from the scrappers, then move to the next step. It's not an easy job, nor did I think it was. I hope Cascade is successful in saving her. Worse case we can't save her, I will give her a virtual home on "Ferries of BC." Speaking of plans, I need to do a detailed business plan for the site, since I want it to be a permanent ferry archive which I want to see still around when the Spirits are retired in 2044…
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Post by cascade on Nov 17, 2005 11:46:14 GMT -8
Chivapcici,
I like your train of though - no I don't work for any European Museum. I work in Shipping in London - we look at funding projects on behalf of Banks. Part shareholder in two Handymax Dry Bulkers. I was born in Sidney - so I know the area very well.
As part of our job here in London - we cover / view forum sites like this to see how local Ferry companies are working and if the Banks money is been well spend.
So what have we been working on - West Coast of BC - well we don't do business in the Media...but safe to say it will be be a ship or two.
The Queen, only became an possible issue - after I discover she was still in BC waters and a few members of this forum took the time to contact the owner of her. After viewing a large number of pictures and talking to the owners rep - we looked to take it another step and spend a little money. She now becomes part of an overall greater strategy / plan - BUT I MAY ADD not the key part - just another extra bit which we think is worth the punt and could be the deal closer that helps the overall package.
How do I think I found out about yourself and asked a few question ? Your handle is on a few European sites - so you like cooking also I see... We do are reserach...Not day dream or blue sky stuff here..
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