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Post by Political Incorrectness on May 27, 2008 17:14:01 GMT -8
Some members on this forum feel my autism which causes me to not notices things is an emberisment to the group like talking loud or not noticing something (though that can be atributed to my vision as well) like talking about killing whales eating another whale on Saltspring (which they considered gore) while around children on the ferry yet, not telling me as I didn't notice. These forum members want 100% perfect people on the group trip and do not tolerate any imperfect people period. This is why the trip was done in secrecy. Who said everyone is perfect? Just to let you know, I feel offended about your comment and we have tolerated many non 100% perfect people. In fact, there is no one who is perfect (unless you are a Christian like me and a few members and believe that God was the only one who was perfect). We only want people who will conduct themselves in a mature manner. Time to refer to the rules for an important two : "West Coast Ferries or its staff assume no responsibility or liability for any incident that may occur on a trip." and "As a member of the traveling public, members must act appropriately" We should not have to make judgement calls and you should be fully aware on how to make them.
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on May 27, 2008 17:26:13 GMT -8
Some members on this forum feel my autism which causes me to not notices things is an emberisment to the group like talking loud or not noticing something (though that can be atributed to my vision as well) like talking about killing whales eating another whale on Saltspring (which they considered gore) while around children on the ferry yet, not telling me as I didn't notice. These forum members want 100% perfect people on the group trip and do not tolerate any imperfect people period. This is why the trip was done in secrecy. Mac, I am sorry but you cannot expect a group of people to continuously tell you what is appropriate and what is not. The reason for these trips is for a day of fun on the water, not to come from hours away to play care aide for a day...
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Post by kylefossett on May 27, 2008 17:34:38 GMT -8
Maybe somebody should tell Mac why he was excluded from this trip. Be nice about it has he is a person who does have feelings. Mac was allowed on other group trips before, so why the change?
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Post by Balfour on May 27, 2008 17:49:14 GMT -8
Kyle, if you actually attended these trips you would understand...
I have told Mac many times what he needs to change and he knows what he needs to do but does he change? no. He constantly says that he changed when he really hasn't. He continues his behaviour of belching loudly in public, and talking about disgusting things quite loudly. I have given him specific examples and he has ignored what I've said, or so it seems.
When I'm on a group trip I prefer to be simply a member of the traveling public going somewhere to have fun. I prefer not to take my moderator job along with me.
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Post by Quatchi on May 27, 2008 18:49:25 GMT -8
here, here Coastal Skier.
Mac your autism is not an excuse for your behavior.
For the members that attended the Coastal Renaissance inaugural sailing you would have met both of my brothers. What you might not have noticed is that the taller of the two is very autistic.
Also my best friends brother is severely autistic. Both have learned the simple fact that their autism is not an excuse for inappropriate public behavior and have both taught themselves to behave appropriately.
I therefor support the actions of Mr. Horn and the Staff of this Fine Forum. Good Work.
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Post by Northern Exploration on May 27, 2008 20:06:58 GMT -8
That trip and the overlook of Active Pass is something I have never had the time to do. It is one of those things pretty high on my list of things to do soon. However I don't know when! But thanks again for all the pics so that at least I can participate in that way.
I don't have any way of knowing what it is like to deal with having autism, either as a person with the condition, or a family member who deals with it on a day in and day out basis. I do however know autistic people, and I have also done marketing work with Autism organizations, so would know a fair bit more than a layman on the street. One of the things is, autism can present itself very differently in people. Some people are more withdrawn and others are much more gregarious. The general public in good measure don't know much about the condition and don't know how to respond often when faced with it when they meet autistic people.
Perhaps in a perfect world none of the would have come up because everyone would be accepting and know how to deal with situations like this. However, the world is far from perfect. And in some ways there is no easy ways to deal with a situation like this.
I won't comment on whether the comments made by individuals are appropriate or not on this subject, but rather say they represent some of the common feelings of the general public on the subject of autism and individuals with it. Some points may have been made more eloquently and perhaps with more tact, but I believe Flugel has as usual put things quite well and very clearly, and you may agree or disagree with him.
However, that being said, my opinion is as follows.
1. This is an adhoc group on the internet in the form of a forum. There are a set of expectations regarding conduct that are reasonable and not too often in need of enforcement. Some forums seem to thrive on rankor and only seem to exist in order for people to forcefully bully one position or another in a no holds barred way. That isn't what I have the time nor inclination for. 2. It is not a membership organization with dues, where individuals pay for certain things and have an expectation of "getting their value". 3. It is simply a forum to enjoy and discuss all things ferry. 4. There is a wide variety of people on the forum and the individuals I have gotten to know better couldn't be much more different from each other they share a passion for a common subject. 5. I am one of the ones from far flung away, so my perspective is different, but I don't believe trips need to be always fully publicized, and individuals shouldn't feel slighted if they are missed or not included. If I was local, then my expectations of being included or not would more lie with my relationship to the individuals involved and not so much as part of the forum. 6. Should there be times when a larger scale event were to happen, like the Coastals open house, then I think everyone being invited and being able to meet in person would be great. 7. During those times however, individuals conduct becomes refective of the group as a whole and individuals present and even not present. Some standards have to be in place or no one, and I know for sure me, would participate not alone continue being part of a forum like that. 8. Many individuals on this forum pride themselves on their growing connection to BCFerries employees and the company as a whole. Bridge and tour invitations that we have seen pictures of, are one such example. It may not be appropriate to invite others to those and it may mean that those people may have to exclude some people.
Anyways I think this type of a discussion is good, particularly if it can be done without hurting anyone. Hopefully we all will be all a bit wiser about the subject and get back soon to just sharing our enjoyment of ferries.
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on May 27, 2008 20:22:25 GMT -8
Moderator Note:
Due to this topic focusing in on an individual rather than the trip itself, staff have come to the conclusion to lock this thread.
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