Replacement for the Queen of Tsawwassen

[Coastal Canuck]

prqueenkid16 said:

All I know is next winter is going to be intresting for the Chilliwack. Going to be odd seeing a double ender on the Comox Route...and the Chilliwack returning to the Southern Gulf Islands.

A friend of mine also said that he was told that the Queen of Chilliwack would replace the Queen of Burnaby and Queen of Nanaimo but the Queen of Cumberland would be replaced by the Bowen Queen and go replace the Island Sky.
He also told me that the Queen of Tsawwassen will be on route 9A this summer and the Bowen Queen and will go replace the Northern Island Princess for an engine refit

[Mill Bay]

extreamme said:

prqueenkid16 said:

All I know is next winter is going to be intresting for the Chilliwack. Going to be odd seeing a double ender on the Comox Route...and the Chilliwack returning to the Southern Gulf Islands.

a friend of mine also said that he was told that the Queen of Chilliwack would replace the Queen of Burnaby and Queen of Nanaimo but the Queen of Cumberland would be replaced by the Bowen Queen and go replace the Island Sky

In this sense, it sounds like the Queen of Chilliwack is actually the replacement for the Tsawwassen, and the Island-Rainy-Sky is actually just a stand-alone vessel built specifically for the Jervis Inlet run.

At some point then, they are still going to have to build a more suitable ship for longer runs that cross the open strait to replace the Chilliwack which is the replacement for the Tsawwassen, and then they'll still have to build another ship for the Discovery Coast route because the Chilliwack isn't replacing anything on that route... I wonder if ferries ever need career counselling or stress-managment to cope with being switched out from one route to another so much...

[Curtis]

extreamme said:

prqueenkid16 said:

All I know is next winter is going to be intresting for the Chilliwack. Going to be odd seeing a double ender on the Comox Route...and the Chilliwack returning to the Southern Gulf Islands.

A friend of mine also said that he was told that the Queen of Chilliwack would replace the Queen of Burnaby and Queen of Nanaimo but the Queen of Cumberland would be replaced by the Bowen Queen and go replace the Island Sky.
He also told me that the Queen of Tsawwassen will be on route 9A this summer and the Bowen Queen and will go replace the Northern Island Princess for an engine refit

Vessel Placement is Sounding Quite Crazy now. I'd love to see alot of these placements happen.

[Neil]

prqueenkid16 said:

Vessel Placement is Sounding Quite Crazy now. I'd love to see alot of these placements happen.

Would you? Why is that?

[Curtis]

hornbyguy said:

prqueenkid16 said:

Vessel Placement is Sounding Quite Crazy now. I'd love to see alot of these placements happen.

Would you? Why is that?

It would be quite rare to see the Queen of Cumberland on route 7. Or a V Class/Queen of Chilliwack on Route 9 or 17. That's my answer. Plus it Would give me a Chance to ride one of the ferries I haven't been on without going too far.

[ferryking]

If using the v's at single deck terminals was physically possible would there be any sense in installing some sort of internal ramps to make use of the second car deck...mind you some of these routes don't see that much traffic...but hypothetically?

[Retrovision]

ferryking said:

...mind you some of these routes don't see that much traffic...

ferryking said:

...but hypothetically?

I think that you just answered your own hypothetical situation with fact.
Feasibility if the traffic was there is another matter.

[Taxman]

Does the Coquitlam still have internal ramps?

[Dane]

Yup

[hergfest]

All of the C's still have their internal ramps.

[Mirrlees]

hergfest said:

All of the C's still have their internal ramps.

The C-class also have articulating ramps so that the top car deck can be loaded from the bottom; albeit a slower loading process.

[Retrovision]

mirrlees60 said:

hergfest said:

All of the C's still have their internal ramps.

The C-class also have articulating ramps so that the top car deck can be loaded from the bottom; albeit a slower loading process.

Oh goodness, you aren't joking? This is exactly the potential capability that we've been referring to. ;D

[ferryking]

tsawwassenterminal said:

mirrlees60 said:

The C-class also have articulating ramps so that the top car deck can be loaded from the bottom; albeit a slower loading process.

Oh goodness, you aren't joking? This is exactly the potential capability that we've been referring to. ;D

Is this correct? its been sometime since i was on a C-class...so if single deck berths were modified or already fit a C-class, it could be loaded/unloaded from the upper car deck...neat but rare circumstances would have to occur for this to happen.

[Quatchi]

so that explains what those ramps are for on the outer lanes on the Surrey. I thought they were for access to the engines or something but this makes sense.

Why would they have invested in something like that when the ships have never been anywhere where it could be utilized? (Assumption here)
Although it could be utilized in this situation.

Cheers,

[Ferryman]

When the C-Class were new, they once had bow visors on the upper car decks, similar to what you see on the Spirits. These were known to fail once and a while once the ship had docked with a load of cars waiting to get off. Crew would then make last minute decisions and fire up the hydraulics and pulleys on the articulating ramps. The Queen of Surrey uses her articulating ramps from time to time, when maintenance is being done on the Main double decked berth, allowing for her to utilize the extra single ramped berth. This happens at least once or twice a year in the off season.

[Taxman]

Langdale used to be single ramped, having these ramps allowed the "C"s to be deployed on this run, while still maintaining capacity. I was thinking about doubleing the mayne island ramp, and using Mayne Island as a dispersion point, where the SB based boat can take some cars, and others would be transfered from the upper deck to the lower deck. You could do the same with Long Harbour, allowing some underheights to use the top deck.

I have not done a Cost-Benefit on this but SGI seems to be full during most of the summer, so who knows.

[Scott (Former Account)]

cadmunkey said:

so that explains what those ramps are for on the outer lanes on the Surrey. I thought they were for access to the engines or something but this makes sense.

Here is what the ramp looks like in its lowered form...

[kylefossett]

tsawwassenterminal said:

mirrlees60 said:

The C-class also have articulating ramps so that the top car deck can be loaded from the bottom; albeit a slower loading process.

Oh goodness, you aren't joking? This is exactly the potential capability that we've been referring to. ;D

and people think there are loading issues now with the queen of nanaimo. you use a c-class and the delays will just increase

[Taxman]

They would have to go to the Commissioner, but they could try and trade off more capacity for less service during the summer, and spend more time loading and in transit.

[Retrovision]

I think that we'll see Berth 2 - the main berth - double ramped long before we see any internal ramps used on SGI vessels, just personal opinion.

Speaking of which, did anyone else notice the note on Page 16 of the printed schedule?

Village Bay Berth One is Closed for reconstruction from Monday, Nov. 5 to Thursday, Dec. 6, 2007. Some delays anticipated. Please check the website or call prior to travel during this period.

I only noticed it myself just recently.

[Scott]

It probably wouldn't be too hard to double ramp the berths at Village Bay would it? They've already got the steep hill coming down. I'm thinking in contrast to Langdale on the flats where they have a long rather unsightly upper ramp structure. Obviously there would have to be some traffic reconfiguration and probably expansion which would bring the wrath of Gulf Islanders. Not that I'd blame them much, I wouldn't want more traffic either if I lived there.

[Retrovision]

admin said:

It probably wouldn't be too hard to double ramp the berths at Village Bay would it? They've already got the steep hill coming down. I'm thinking in contrast to Langdale on the flats where they have a long rather unsightly upper ramp structure. Obviously there would have to be some traffic reconfiguration and probably expansion which would bring the wrath of Gulf Islanders. Not that I'd blame them much, I wouldn't want more traffic either if I lived there.

Mayne Island Village Bay Terminal's Berth 2 would probably be the easiest of any single ramped berth of any terminal to add another ramp level I'd bet. There's the structure itself that was built specifically with this in mind down the road, and like John mentioned the hill above is steep, unlike any other berth of the system with the capability to be double ramped...


www.ferrypicsbygraham.fotopic.net/p44641546.html

Another thing to take note of is what I assume is already terminal property with a large mound of earth behind a fence that's perfectly in line with where any extra holding lanes and superstructure would be needed, just to the right of my photo above.

[Kahloke]

Here is what the ramp looks like in its lowered form...

Those pictures of the articulating ramps on the C-Class vessel are really cool! I had no idea they had internal ramps up to the 3rd car deck, although it does make a lot of sense.

Question: does Alberni have an articulating ramp too? I only ask because there are no gallery decks on the Alberni like on the other C's, which would make that a very long ramp if it has to extend all the way down to the main car deck.

[Scott (Former Account)]

orcasnative said:

Here is what the ramp looks like in its lowered form...

Question: does Alberni have an articulating ramp too? I only ask because there are no gallery decks on the Alberni like on the other C's, which would make that a very long ramp if it has to extend all the way down to the main car deck.

The Alberni is the only one that does not have an articulating ramp.

[Ferryman]

No, the Alberni did not receive the articulating ramps like her sister, prior to lifting. Cars parked on the upper deck will just have to hope that the upper ramp on the dock is functioning properly.