Doug
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Post by Doug on Dec 20, 2005 21:55:20 GMT -8
And to cover up for the lost capacity on the Nanaimo-Gabriola route, you could use an old "V" Class ferry..."THINK!"
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Post by QTeen on Dec 20, 2005 23:06:59 GMT -8
Doug... I did not mean put her onto Gabriola route or Mill bay route, I meant put her on Route 9 Not route 19Or route 12
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 21, 2005 10:04:58 GMT -8
Cascade,
Alot of things still happened in that 10 year period. The Two Spirits, the Queen of Cumberland and Capilano, Skeena Queen, and of couse the Crapcats were built in that timeframe. Also, to go along with those new ships, all of the major terminals went through some sort of major overhaul. Tsawwassen added another berth, Horseshoe Bay added a foot passenger walkway system and an expanded holding area for all cars and new ticket booths, Departure Bays berth 3 was modified slightly for the Cats (makes sense, new ferry, new dock), Swartz Bay even had a huge modification to its terminal and one of its berths for the Spirits. Of course I can't forget they built a brand new Terminal at Duke Point in 97, that was $92 million right there. So there was alot going on, they were still trying to expand everything to accomadate everyone. Plus then they sold the Victoria, Sidney, and Vesuvius Queen for a fair price, and then there was a quiet sell of the Albert J. Savoie and the Nicola. All of those ferries were doing nothing but sit in docks wasting away, so that was costing alot of money to upkeep, which is why they were all sold. As for the Mid Life Refits, the Coquitlam got the short end of the stick. The Coq's refit cost $18 million, but then its twin sister was 30 millon, and of course Oak Bays refit was double what the Coqs refit was, 38 million. But those last two refits were in the last two years, and out of that 10 year timeframe you mentioned.
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 21, 2005 10:50:54 GMT -8
Ohh, ok, thats very true, I never thought of that. You know, that's such a typical thing to do in BC, why......
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Post by kylefossett on Dec 21, 2005 18:35:49 GMT -8
Doug... I did not mean put her onto Gabriola route or Mill bay route, I meant put her on Route 9 Not route 19Or route 12sure take off an already crowded ferry(naniamo) and replace with an inadequate smaller vessel(chilliwack) |
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 22, 2005 16:22:39 GMT -8
Even though the Queen of Tsawwassen is (I think) larger than the 'Wack, with the way things have gone since BCFS took over, I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see the 'Wack put on route 9 during the Nanaimo's refit.
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Post by hergfest on Dec 22, 2005 23:01:48 GMT -8
What other boat would they use? The Burnaby can't be used. It would be useless to use a V-Class. The Cap and Cumbie don't have bow doors. Maybe the new intermediate boat?
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Koastal Karl
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Post by Koastal Karl on Dec 22, 2005 23:26:42 GMT -8
Why cant the Burnaby be used??? Put the Wack on the Powell River run . It would be kind of neat if the Wack was on route 9. It would be neat to see.
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Post by Dane on Dec 24, 2005 0:32:47 GMT -8
Cascade,
1. You know as well as I BCFS no longer wants to drop Route 9... don't scare the children!
2. Where is the "15 minute break." Ussually where BCF has a 'broken schedule' it is not a "break period," but rather simply cheaper not not run, or the ship is sitting to be more sysinct with traffic (the Vesivius run).
3. The Fulford ship often does an extra run in the summer evenings, like the Bowen Island crews there is actually an unpublished potential sailing where the crew sails, but not on overtime.
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Post by kylefossett on Dec 24, 2005 9:12:22 GMT -8
Cascade, 2. Where is the "15 minute break." Ussually where BCF has a 'broken schedule' it is not a "break period," but rather simply cheaper not not run, or the ship is sitting to be more sysinct with traffic (the Vesivius run). . because of the small crew onboard the howe sound queen this run actually stops for a break. the do so on the crofton side. when the schedule used to be between 0700 and 1900 they would take a lunch break at 1200 at vesuvius and quite often be at the seaside kitchen for the break |
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Post by Quinsam on Dec 24, 2005 10:48:51 GMT -8
hem hem...
The Penguin(Chilliwack) is only 23 cars smaller than the Tsawwassen, and the Chilliwack is quite reliable, might be the ugly duck, but it has it's own ways of reliability, every ship does.
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Post by Starbucks Queen on Dec 24, 2005 11:16:45 GMT -8
What do you mean by "own way of reliability" A ship is either relieable or it is not. If it starts to get technically unrelieable (needs more and more repair, hull is getting weak etc.) then it´s for sure a good reason to replace the ship. Good for the passengers, who won´t face so many "out of service" messages and good for the safety as well.
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Post by Quinsam on Dec 24, 2005 11:50:02 GMT -8
Well then explain to me, what is the safety equipment for if they are not even going to use it when the ship is getting old?
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 24, 2005 12:16:02 GMT -8
They equip each and every ship with safety equipment just in case something happens. It doesn't necessarily mean something bad is definitely bound to happen to that ship. What would you do if the ship started sinking, and there were no sort of PFDs (lifejackets) aboard? I wouldn't want to have to swim to shore. It's the law, and that's just the way things are. Also, by law, they must test the lifeboat davits and everything in a safety drill, to ensure all of the equipment is in good working order when everyone needs to rely on it.
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Post by Quinsam on Dec 24, 2005 13:40:27 GMT -8
Yes, and the Chilliwack, Tsawwassen and the V class are not in good working order? They look as though they could live another 10-15 more years
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Post by Curtis on Dec 24, 2005 14:49:05 GMT -8
They look like they could live longer but they don't live up to today's safety regulations plus theres other problems like how strong their hull is, or Asbestos in certain areas of the ship. They look like they could live another 10 years but it's gonna cost more to maintain them i think they need a new set of Sidney class and V Class just in a more modern more up to date look and can hold more Passengers and Cars but not too many crew
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Post by Quinsam on Dec 24, 2005 14:52:45 GMT -8
Well, the asbestos thing is bad, but why do the wretched safety regulations keep changing? The ships are supposed to be prepared for abandoning ship situations, and the safety stuff on it looks ok, and drills are held out every few months.
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Post by Quinsam on Dec 24, 2005 15:40:26 GMT -8
a new set of Sidney class and V Class just in a more modern more up to date look?
Well, that could be done, how about Double ended ones?
and this time, make sure no asbestos is in/on the ship
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 24, 2005 17:04:31 GMT -8
They'll always put Asbestos in any ships. It has always been done, and always will be done..You just won't be able to notice it unless you took the ship apart. I'm pretty sure the C-Class all even have Asbestos.
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Post by Balfour on Dec 24, 2005 17:07:48 GMT -8
Asbestos is used for fire-proofing.
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 24, 2005 17:10:28 GMT -8
Exactly, that's the only reason why they use it.
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Post by Curtis on Dec 24, 2005 18:51:12 GMT -8
Yeah they need some Asbestos but they got to make sure they get rid of the more Hazardous Asbestos that could effect people
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Post by hergfest on Dec 24, 2005 23:26:27 GMT -8
I highly doubt they put asbestos on ships anymore since they have found out how harmful it is.
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 27, 2005 10:38:57 GMT -8
So would it be cheaper to just use asbestos instead of that non asbestos fire retardant? Because, if there's a cheaper way, they'll take it..
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Post by NMcKay on Dec 28, 2005 11:00:34 GMT -8
how much of a steel vessel actually burns?
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