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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 14, 2005 10:24:16 GMT -8
I think the Capilano - Snug-Cove issue is re the relocation costs of the crew. The crew lives in West-Van (or somewhere in that area), but not on Bowen Island.
BC Ferries can't or won't do a forced relocation of the workers and their families. Same issue at Powell River with the Comox-PR ferry.
If they kept the Cap at Snug overnight, they could water-taxi the crew to work each morning & back each night, but that's not practical or cost efficient, or something.
This Capilano home-berth issue is puzzling to me, because most of the other small island routes have their vessel berthed overnight at the island, not at the opposite port.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Sept 14, 2005 10:48:21 GMT -8
yeah except for the Cumberland and Mayne Queen which sit at Swartz Bay! Why dident they just go with a Bowen Island crew??? Who operates the ramp at Snug Cove? Someone from Bowen?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 14, 2005 11:28:54 GMT -8
re operating the ramp:
I don't know about Bowen, but on Crofton-Vesuvius, the ramp is operated by a deckhand on the ship. There is a control box hanging from a pole that the deckhand grabs & uses.
Maybe this is what they use on Bowen ?
ps: see you on the 1st.
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Post by kylefossett on Sept 14, 2005 14:37:37 GMT -8
NIP at Blubber Bay Burnaby at Little-River Quinsam at Descanso Bay HSQ at Vesuvius Bay Skeena at Fulford Harbour Sidney by Nick's house when not on a route the bowen queen is also at fulford |
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Post by Dane on Sept 14, 2005 14:58:17 GMT -8
I have wondered that too! But why does they do that with the Capilano? Why dosent she just stay at Snug Cove overnight??? Because you'd need to have crews there. The ferry runs an unpublished sailing from Snug Cove to Horseshoe Bay every night, often empty unless demand warrants it. Sometimes in the summer when HSB needs more berths they will keep the vessel at Snug Cove and take the crew in by water taxi. |
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Post by Doug on Sept 14, 2005 15:57:20 GMT -8
re operating the ramp: I don't know about Bowen, but on Crofton-Vesuvius, the ramp is operated by a deckhand on the ship. There is a control box hanging from a pole that the deckhand grabs & uses. Maybe this is what they use on Bowen ? ps: see you on the 1st. They have the same type of system on the Albion Ferry...no people working on the dock. |
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Post by Curtis on Sept 14, 2005 16:40:00 GMT -8
I think they use the same system for ramp operation as all the double laned berths in the fleet with a guy in this small building sitting there all day and adjusting the ramp when the ship come in it's located on the ramp
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Post by Koastal Karl on Sept 14, 2005 18:53:03 GMT -8
Interesting! So after the last sailing from Bowen she comes back to Bowen empty?? I was wondering if she did that or sailed empty in the morning to Bowen!
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Post by YZFNick on Sept 15, 2005 7:21:23 GMT -8
Both ramps on Quadra (Q Cove and Heriot Bay) and the Whaletown dock are operated by the crew who use a yellow box on a pole. At Q Cove and Heriot Bay they operate the gate from a control near the ramp, and on Cortes (CORRECT SPELLING, GET IT RIGHT EVERYONE ELSE) I think a deckhand goes up and opens the gate themselves. The distance from the ramp to the gate isn't far at Whaletown, unlike the Quadra ramps, which are a good 500 feet out each.
That's pretty crazy about Bowen Island. Maybe the people living nearby didn't like the diesel belching into their homes overnight. You'd think for emergencies they'd keep the thing on the island side. If there is an overnight emergency and someone needs to go to the hospital, they'll have to muster a crew from all over West Van, then go over to Bowen and then head back. And say the ambulance is finished and needs to head back to Bowen, that's another round trip! You might as well have a crew on all night.
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Post by cascade on Sept 15, 2005 7:33:27 GMT -8
Does BCFS - still give free travel to members of the family of a BCFS worker? Or have they stopped that? or adjusted it?
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Sept 15, 2005 17:11:34 GMT -8
yeah they still do cascade for passengers only and you get limit on car stuff ask scott he knows
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Post by Scott on Sept 15, 2005 17:54:17 GMT -8
Cortes, Cortez... it's debateable.
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Post by YZFNick on Sept 15, 2005 18:21:23 GMT -8
Not for those who live there, or the Government. The spelling of the Island is listed with an S everywhere I've seen, including government charts and local websites www.cortesisland.com (try searching on google for Cortez Island, you'll get Cortes Island). British Columbia Coast Names, published in the early 20th century, has the listing as Cortes. Quadra was originally named Valdes Island, similar to the southern Valdez north of Galiano. |
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Sept 15, 2005 21:39:22 GMT -8
Does BCFS - still give free travel to members of the family of a BCFS worker? Or have they stopped that? or adjusted it? Family of the employee is covered under the Employee Pass... |
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Post by Scott on Sept 15, 2005 21:40:31 GMT -8
Yeah, it looks like you're right. Once when I was looking up some information about it I found a debate by two people who lived there about how to properly spell it, so I thought it was disputed, but it seems officially to be Cortes. It was named after Hernando Cortés... and his name seems to be spelt either that way or Cortez. I guess for official purposes, it should be spelt one way.
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Post by Dane on Sept 15, 2005 23:04:09 GMT -8
Wasn't Vancouver Island originally chartered as Vancouver-Quadra Island after some distutes between the Biritsh and Spanish on who was there first?
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Post by YZFNick on Sept 16, 2005 5:49:55 GMT -8
It was named that after their friendship.
I'm no spanish expert, but I think all the Z's in Spanish are restricted mainly to North and South American Spanish. Spanish from Spain uses more S's than Z's. Maybe someone else has some more insite into the Spanish language.
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Post by cascade on Sept 16, 2005 6:26:51 GMT -8
Scott - does anyone know what this costs BCFS in possible lost fares?
My father worked for BC Hydro - and we didn't get discounted - free electric, so why should ferry workers? People - families who work for the airline - Air Canada for example - yes they do get discounted travel.
I know this is a controversy subject - debate - but what does it cost? any ideas?
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Post by nolonger on Sept 16, 2005 8:35:43 GMT -8
It cost nothing because the ship is sailing anyway. It is also necessary in order to get people to work in areas which require frequent ferry travel. ie, Hornby, Cortez, The Charlottes etc.
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Post by Balfour on Sept 16, 2005 10:06:58 GMT -8
It was named that after their friendship. I'm no spanish expert, but I think all the Z's in Spanish are restricted mainly to North and South American Spanish. Spanish from Spain uses more S's than Z's. Maybe someone else has some more insite into the Spanish language. I sure do. I took 3 years of Spanish in High School. I think you're right about how spain uses more S's then Z's. In Spain Z is prounced "th" not how we do here. |
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Post by YZFNick on Sept 16, 2005 11:19:45 GMT -8
I like how Texas was originally named Tejas (pronounced Tay-has). I read that in a Michner novel.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 18, 2005 13:56:14 GMT -8
My late father-in-law was born & raised on Cortes Island, and he always pronounced it "Cortees".....but maybe that was just him.
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Post by YZFNick on Sept 18, 2005 14:48:55 GMT -8
I've never heard it pronounced any other way besides cor-tez, but it is spelled Cortes. The body of water between Quadra and Cortes is called Sutil Channel. I've heard that pronounced many different ways. We've always pronounced it Soo-tle. Other people pronounce it like the word subtle. I've even heard that the proper pronouncment it soo-teal. I guess as long as people know what you mean when you say it then that's fine.
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Post by YZFNick on Sept 18, 2005 14:53:51 GMT -8
After looking at my handy BC Coast Names, it's named after a boat Sutil, that is a direct translation of the english word subtle. So used the power of the internet to find the enunciation. It's pronounced phonetically soo-til. I'm sure this is boring for about 99% of the people on here, but it had to be said!
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