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Post by Balfour on Jul 24, 2005 8:23:38 GMT -8
Ok that might work, but the question is what route.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jul 24, 2005 8:26:20 GMT -8
route 1 maybe deffinatly route 30 cause of truck capacity
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Post by Ian on Jul 24, 2005 22:34:08 GMT -8
actually the s-class only have fixed propellers and a rudder. they have tw0 thruster tunnels on the bow.
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Post by cascade on Jul 25, 2005 6:17:10 GMT -8
There is a big & profitable market in the ROPAX and RO/RO ferry market in Europe. We have this program call "Marco Polo" which is to get trucks off the main roads and us ROPAX vessels to move them around Europe.
The new vessels which have come on line in the last 5 years are very fast and efficient in fuel usage.
But as I have said in the "Past" they would be useless on the BC Ferries terminals - you just can't load them.
Some of the Ferry companies are actually making a lot more money in the ROPAX market than in the car/passenger market. The prices that truckers pay is also cheaper, than what they would expect to pay on a normal ferry. It is a fast growing market.
It looks like to me that BC Ferries have left this sector of the market to SeaSpan - and they don't appear to be doing much - so far....
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jul 25, 2005 10:06:15 GMT -8
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Post by cascade on Jul 25, 2005 10:18:59 GMT -8
Karl,
P&O Ferries and the Ports are the only business left within the "true - pure" P&O business. The pictures there are of the container ships.
The Ferry business is been "dressed" up for sale - right now.
P&O has done a lot of partner deals over the years - where there name is what people / companies know
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jul 25, 2005 21:07:39 GMT -8
well they would have to mod the deck plans a bit like get rid of alot of staterooms except for 2 or 4 and use the top deck for that and also have a confrence room up there. now on the bottom deck of the passenger cabin you would have to get rid of the doors in the middle cause those would be of no use and put two new passenger overhead loading access areas at the front of the bottom level of the passenger cabin also on the same level at the stern make it an open passenger deck and maybe take a little space and add to the two main levels of the passenger cabing but still have open deckspace here is the URL to the deck plans www.hhvferry.com/darwinsnewdp.jpg |
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Post by cascade on Jul 26, 2005 6:21:14 GMT -8
Dan, What your talking about - I could find you a vessel - most likely two years old with all the changes you want. The changes - adjustments you want would cost a lot. So I guess you do own a shipyard with cheap labour. Why don't you look at the Superfast Ferries - Also look at Short Sea Shipping - you will find massive amounts of details on this European program which the American are starting to take notice of under things like www.google.co.uk or go the www.google.no these sites will give you a head start in looking for info. You might even find are company in your searches.... |
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jul 26, 2005 10:34:57 GMT -8
Superfast ferries wouldn't work for BCF because they are simply too big and not enough passenger room unless there are alot of decks with staterooms
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Post by cascade on Jul 26, 2005 11:47:21 GMT -8
Yes Dan,
But if your only running a ROPAX service - then the only space you need is for the drivers - so if your vessel take say 100 trucks then that is all you need.
Yes the SuperFast Vessels are big and quick - to fast and big of the coast,but now your starting to see what else is out there in the world market.
The Cruise Ferries - now they would be good - from Vancouver to any northern town.
Have you looked up "Short Sea Shipping" and the see the changes it is making. This will come to the coast - very soon.
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Post by kylefossett on Jul 26, 2005 15:21:13 GMT -8
i had heard through my contacts at bc ferries that the washington marine group was looking in to building a spirit class vessel but with the bare essentials on it for use on the seaspan intermodal routes. this was back in march that i was priviliged with this info. i have not heard anymore since but will be with my ferry info guy this weekend at a bbq
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jul 26, 2005 15:36:39 GMT -8
well cacade can you find something on that searched it came up with nothing good
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Post by cascade on Aug 6, 2005 9:07:06 GMT -8
It is called "Short Sea Shipping" and it is all the in thing to do right now. Given WMG interest in TEU Container ships (SeaSpan and the Chinese - 20 vessels) and the ownership of shipyards here and in LA - then it make sense. When the shipyards have a down period - as things are in cycles - then there is massive amounts of space - which you can park a lot of trucks - good Marshalling yards.
What they are looking to do is move - at speed - around 100 to 150 Trucks - up the Coast. It saves time and money - wear and tear on the roads.
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Post by BrianWilliams on Aug 15, 2005 1:36:36 GMT -8
The big cost isn't in the boats, it's the terminals.
We have built Duke Point, Tsawwassen, Departure Bay and Horseshoe Bay to handle multi-deck loading on our own model.
Perhaps we are not as efficient as Dover or Folkestone, but our traffic is 1/5th of the cross-Channel demand, and it is unlikely to increase very much in the next 10 years.
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Post by cascade on Aug 15, 2005 7:33:30 GMT -8
Brian,
A little bit wrong there. BCFS handles around 22M passengers and 8M cars. The channel operators only handle around 4M cars and about 7.5M passengers.
As for freight - we are an Island and have around 50 main ports / terminals - which has to service about 60M pop.
People fly here - more than take a ferry. We use small container - "Coastal" ships to move freight around and with the "Short Sea Shipping" concept - they are working with taking the long haul truck off the road and put him on a vessel - ROPAX - and move the goods - freight that way.
I would like to know what the element of freight is moved on and off the Island and on & off the smaller Gulf Islands - plus freight movement up North via the Ferry system.
I would also like to know what % of the Freight market - shipping - that SeaSpan hauls - carries across the strait as I think they may have about 50% of the so-caled market.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Aug 15, 2005 9:19:33 GMT -8
Knowing David Hahn he probably would add something like that to his fleet! He probably would think it is a new ship seeing he dosent know how old the Queen of Oak Bay is or maybe even alot of the ferries!
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Aug 15, 2005 10:15:57 GMT -8
maybe but I would say update the design then build them as new
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Post by cascade on Aug 15, 2005 11:49:50 GMT -8
Judging by pass history of BCFS design ideas I would not hold out much promise. Surely you would have though that over the years BC Ferries would be getting good at developing a design that actually works - but as you have seen and lot's of you have mention on this forum - the repairs - mid life upgrades ect... they always seem to breakdown in sea trails and on operational duties.
Hahn should by now know what he is managing and therefore should know the vessels and details - things about them. It is not really rocket science knowing your products.
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Post by Alex on Aug 16, 2005 12:03:42 GMT -8
I would like to know what the element of freight is moved on and off the Island and on & off the smaller Gulf Islands - plus freight movement up North via the Ferry system. I would also like to know what % of the Freight market - shipping - that SeaSpan hauls - carries across the strait as I think they may have about 50% of the so-caled market. I think a lot of northern freight moves by rail. |
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Post by cascade on Aug 17, 2005 7:43:42 GMT -8
Have you seen the two vessels that Totem Trailers Express use to ship up to Alaska the trailers - not containers - but just trailers - where as the truck part is already there.
They go out of Tacoma - so if you want to ship to Northern BC - stuff / goods by rail - is there the network in place to handle it?
The small coastal towns could be better services by ships than rail - small coastal container freighters that maybe carried a few passenger - like in Norway....(That word again)
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