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Post by Doug on Jun 27, 2005 21:01:19 GMT -8
And the other question in there about where the Super "C" Class ferries are going to be based is wrong too. BC Ferries confirmed that two are going on HB-DB, one on Tsawwassen-SB.
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Post by Curtis on Jun 27, 2005 21:20:06 GMT -8
They are gonna replace the V-CLASS(not the Newest of course) its like this the super c's arrive they place two on Tsawass-Swtz Bay to replace the Van and Sannich than one on on Dep Bay-Hs Bay so it can free up the Surrey to go as the Relief vessel and do the Esq's job or the Cow acts as the no. 2 Langdale vessel
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Post by Dane on Jun 27, 2005 23:54:59 GMT -8
They are gonna replace the V-CLASS(not the Newest of course) its like this the super c's arrive they place two on Tsawass-Swtz Bay to replace the Van and Sannich than one on on Dep Bay-Hs Bay so it can free up the Surrey to go as the Relief vessel and do the Esq's job or the Cow acts as the no. 2 Langdale vessel ACTUALLY, it's like this They replace the Vs, yes, which in turn are replaced by one Super C C and one conventional C. Do you think they will have new $500 million assets sitting there as relief vessels?? |
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Post by Alex on Jun 28, 2005 0:24:38 GMT -8
They are gonna replace the V-CLASS(not the Newest of course) its like this the super c's arrive they place two on Tsawass-Swtz Bay to replace the Van and Sannich than one on on Dep Bay-Hs Bay so it can free up the Surrey to go as the Relief vessel and do the Esq's job or the Cow acts as the no. 2 Langdale vessel ACTUALLY, it's like this They replace the Vs, yes, which in turn are replaced by one Super C C and one conventional C. Do you think they will have new $500 million assets sitting there as relief vessels?? Haven't we been through this already?? The old C's can't go through Active Pass at full speed. They have to go slower on a different engine mode which uses up more fuel. If the Super C's are specially designed to go through Active Pass, then they should use them in Active Pass. |
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Post by Dane on Jun 28, 2005 0:55:27 GMT -8
ACTUALLY, it's like this They replace the Vs, yes, which in turn are replaced by one Super C C and one conventional C. Do you think they will have new $500 million assets sitting there as relief vessels?? Haven't we been through this already?? The old C's can't go through Active Pass at full speed. They have to go slower on a different engine mode which uses up more fuel. If the Super C's are specially designed to go through Active Pass, then they should use them in Active Pass. We've also gone through this being incorrect. The Surrey spent about 5 years doing the run POST-Alberni accident. You can call up BC Ferries if you feel that it's unsafe but I have a feeling they don't give a rat's ***. I hate to break this to you, but NONE of the ferries go through at full speed. The chance for accidents is there with any boats. Two years ago the Spirit of BC lost her steering, and almost grounded AND hit another vessel. She, obviously, was stopped in time. Had that occured I'm sure there would be posts on here about how dangerous the S Class are in active pass, and how they have to shockingly burn some speed. All of Route 1 is operated at a lower speed than Route 2, you should know. |
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Post by Doug Ubell on Jun 28, 2005 2:20:55 GMT -8
The "C" Class ferries all have two engines, each generating 6,000 HP. They are located in each corner of the engine room. Shafts from the engines run parallel to each other to the center of the ship (lengthwise center). Another shaft from each shaft runs into the center of the ship (widthwise center). They join in something similar to a differential on a car, but instead of splitting the power in two, it combines two together. From there, shafts run right to the propellers. This is the way they combined the power of two engines to power one out of two propellers in the '70s and '80s. Usually, they run the stern propeller for propulsion, but for some reason, they "pull" the ship with the bow propeller through Active Pass, and this requires more power. The ships CAN go as fast as a typical "S" or "V" Class ferry through Active Pass as far as I know, but it significantly raises fuel consumption. "C" Class ferries operate at an average 19 knots, but when they're behind schedule, they can kick it up to 22, which significantly rises fuel consumption as well. They are both the same problems. But I say hell with it, Active Pass is only a short section of the voyage. So what if they burn more fuel. Use Queen of Surrey as an extra out of Tsawwassen!  The Super "C" Class ferries have two full size passenger decks and they only have room for 1,650 passengers? You know what that means: more profitable amenities onboard. They'd only get the use of them in the summer if you want two on Tsawwassen-Swartz Bay and one on HB-DB, which in turn lowers unnecessary profits. |
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Post by Curtis on Jun 28, 2005 7:25:02 GMT -8
I still think you're wrong. Transport Canada won't allow it
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jun 28, 2005 7:28:20 GMT -8
well then this should be a debate then where the Super C's are going to be located.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jun 28, 2005 8:28:12 GMT -8
Two Super C's on route 2! One on route 1. If they can run one of our regular C class on route 1, they should do it! You dont want the Super C as extra's only running at certain times. The Super C on route 1 should replace the Saanich not the Vancouver as the Saanich is used more on route 1.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jun 28, 2005 9:49:25 GMT -8
That first question is BS. New Westminster is known as a "Super V" Class ferry, not a "V." Queen of Alberni, however is a "C" Class. HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW!! I AM NOT AN AMERICAN IDIOT!! WHERE IS THE PROOF!!!  |
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Post by YZFNick on Jun 28, 2005 10:57:16 GMT -8
Were they all known as V-classes until the lift? I'm assuming the Victoria Class ships had two levels and the three that weren't lifted (Burnaby, Nanaimo, New West) were renamed Burnaby Classes. Then when the New West was lifted it was reclassified a Super V? That make sense?
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Post by Doug on Jun 28, 2005 15:04:57 GMT -8
I still think you're wrong. Transport Canada won't allow it No. Transport Canada won't allow the ferries to "push" themselves through using the stern propeller. "Pulling" them through is required for them to go through. |
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Post by Doug on Jun 28, 2005 15:14:16 GMT -8
Were they all known as V-classes until the lift? I'm assuming the Victoria Class ships had two levels and the three that weren't lifted (Burnaby, Nanaimo, New West) were renamed Burnaby Classes. Then when the New West was lifted it was reclassified a Super V? That make sense? They were only known as "V" Class ferries when they were lifted because the only two lifted originally were the "V"ancouver and "V"ictoria. Saanich and Esquimalt followed after...this was in '81 I think. The New Westminster was lifted 10 years later in '91. She had her platforms removed the year prior so she could maximize the capacity of overheights on Tsawwassen-Duke Point. In '91 she was lifted, with an upper car deck with more clearance than her sisters. She had her haul enlarged and new engines fitted and some minor work to her passenger deck. Larger and more powerful thus she is called a Super "V" Class ferry. |
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jun 28, 2005 17:50:57 GMT -8
where is the proof? otherwise we can not confim this.
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Post by Doug on Jun 28, 2005 18:21:25 GMT -8
Proof for what? Is this a murder case or something or is this a ferry forum? I got the info for the Super "V" Class a while back from a BC FERRY EMPLOYEE, and no, I can't find it. It was way back, probably a year ago.
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Post by Doug on Jun 28, 2005 18:22:44 GMT -8
And everyone I heard from said the New West was NOT a regular "V" Class ferry. Who cares, just change the answer to Queen of Alberni on that question site.
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Jun 28, 2005 19:09:59 GMT -8
Here is mine Chris...
1.C
2.B
3.A
4.D
5.C
6.C
7.C
8.D (toss up between B and D, I'll say "D" though)
9.A
10.B
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jun 28, 2005 19:23:40 GMT -8
And everyone I heard from said the New West was NOT a regular "V" Class ferry. Who cares, just change the answer to Queen of Alberni on that question site. I CAN'T!! THERE IS NO PROOF!! GIVE IT A BREAK! |
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Post by Dane on Jun 28, 2005 19:36:48 GMT -8
And everyone I heard from said the New West was NOT a regular "V" Class ferry. Who cares, just change the answer to Queen of Alberni on that question site. I CAN'T!! THERE IS NO PROOF!! GIVE IT A BREAK! Buddy calm down... And the two first Super Cs are being put on route two, go to www.bcferries.bc.ca and the answers may shock you  |
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Post by Curtis on Jun 28, 2005 19:39:49 GMT -8
Where on the site?
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Post by Ferryman on Jun 28, 2005 20:14:44 GMT -8
Scott seems to know his ferries!! 90%!!!
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Post by Dane on Jun 28, 2005 21:36:29 GMT -8
New Build programme somewhere, or the moving ahead crap in "About BC Ferries"
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jun 29, 2005 8:26:19 GMT -8
doesn't say in there.
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Post by Ferryman on Jun 29, 2005 9:03:15 GMT -8
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jun 29, 2005 9:14:44 GMT -8
that is only proof where they are going
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