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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 10, 2005 11:20:11 GMT -8
In this photo (full credit to the www.evergreenfleet.com website, and what a fine site it is....), I have identified 3 of the 4 ships. From top to bottom: - Sechelt Queen (ex Chinook II) - Pender Queen (ex Motor Princess) - Jervis Queen (ex Bainbridge) - What is the bottom ship, the little one? I've looked thru lots of old photos, and I can't identify her. She's much smaller than Pender-Queen, double ended, and looks old (with a classic wood wheelhouse on top?). My guess is somethingn like Cy Peck, but I'd like to know for sure.  |
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Post by Quinsam on Dec 10, 2005 11:35:02 GMT -8
Might be the George S Pearson, the other is Smokwa, then Pender Queen, and the Suzy Q or Langdale Queen.
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Post by Shane on Dec 10, 2005 11:53:17 GMT -8
In this photo (full credit to the www.evergreenfleet.com website, and what a fine site it is....), I have identified 3 of the 4 ships. From top to bottom: - Sechelt Queen (ex Chinook II) - Pender Queen (ex Motor Princess) - Jervis Queen (ex Bainbridge) - What is the bottom ship, the little one? I've looked thru lots of old photos, and I can't identify her. She's much smaller than Pender-Queen, double ended, and looks old (with a classic wood wheelhouse on top?). My guess is somethingn like Cy Peck, but I'd like to know for sure. The ferries from top to bottom are the Sechelt Queen, Pender Queen, Jervis Queen, and the George S. Pearson. |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 10, 2005 12:16:19 GMT -8
Thanks for the response Shane. It's funny, I can't find a picture of the "George S. Pearson" (or either of her 2 previous names) anywhere on the internet, other than this 1 picture.
I found lots of pictures of the island "Fox Island" in Washington state.....that's a previous name for the Pearson.
I was surprised to find out that it's the same guy "George S. Pearson" whom the Pearson-bridge in Nanaimo is named after (the bridge by the Civic arena & the palm trees, downtown by the water).
Harry: sorry, you're only 2/4 for your reply. The 2nd to bottom ship is Bainbridge, not Smokwa. You're right that they do look kinda similar, but I did some comparison last night and there are some differences. There's a good picture of the Smokwa berthed in Horseshoe Bay that you can find on the net. And just like you, I also get a lot of the BlackBall sunshine coast ferry names mixed up. I always forget which was Jervis-Queen, which was Sechelt-Queen, and which was Langdale-Queen. I find it easier to remember their BlackBall names.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 10, 2005 12:25:41 GMT -8
Here's one of my other favourite pics from the www.evergreenfleet.com site. This is the Quillayute. She went from BlackBall to BC Ferries in the 60's, but was never renamed as a queen.  I love the mountains in Jervis Inlet. One of the most beautiful spots on earth. That's the original berth at Earl's Cove, still used as backup today (I've seen it in Curtis's pics of the Chilliwack). |
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Post by Curtis on Dec 10, 2005 12:48:02 GMT -8
Yup and the Earls Cove Berth is Still used to this day as a secondary Berth
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Post by Dane on Dec 10, 2005 18:04:50 GMT -8
4 of the most reliable ships in the fleet.... not. It makes a lot of sense that they're not in service. I'd speculate that they were used as reserves when possible?
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 10, 2005 21:42:54 GMT -8
There's actually a display done by one of the local schools in Powell River aboard the Queen of Tsawwassen (near the vending machines) about the history of the Earl(s) Cove - Saltery Bay route (yes, it used to be spelled "Earl" Cove), probably because the Tsawwassens only currently regularly assigned route is EC-SB. Included are some great photos of the Quillayute, including the one shown above.
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I don't have the info with me here, but when I have it I can go into detail about the old unreliables of the Black Ball line bought by BCFerries. I've seen claims by both Washington and BC that they ran the last ever operating steam driven ferry on the Pacific Coast, WSF fans claiming it to be their S.S. San Mateo (currently rotting beside the Sidney near Mission), and BCF fans claiming it to be the S.S. Smokwa.
Here's what I wrote in the "Old Coastal Ships" thread earlier, regarding the Bainbridge and Smokwa:
S.S. Smokwa Was actually originally built in 1946, in Pictou, Nova Scotia, to cross Halifax Harbour; She was then known as 'Scotian'. She was sold when a bridge was built, making her service redundant, and brought to Washington state via the Panama Canal (under tow) by Black Ball. Black Ball then brought her up to Canada when they pioneered HSB-DPB, Howe Sound and Jervis Inlet services after their extensive Washington state opperations were bought by the newly formed, government owned Washington State Ferries. It's interesting to Note that the "Smokey" was the last steam-engined ferry on the North American west coast.
The Bainbridge, however, is not a sister to the Smokwa. Here's an outline of how she came to Canada, as compiled by G.&P. Bannerman in the 1985 book "The Ships of British Columbia: An Illustrated History of the British Columbia Ferry Corporation" (on page 178):
"M.V. Jervis Queen
Originally named Bainbridge, the 45-car, 600-passenger double-ended vessel was built in Houghton, Washington in 1928. She came to B.C. with Black Ball in the 1050s, before being sold to BC ferries and renamed. She was retired from service in 1966 and could be seen rotting at a Fraser River pier along River Road in 1985"
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 10, 2005 21:47:40 GMT -8
Oh, and Flugel, I'm still fairly sure that I've seen that same (or a shot taken from the same angle, around the same time) shot of Deas from the air in either "The Queens of British Columbia" (By Peter Favelle) or "The Dogwood Fleet" (By Cadieux & Griffiths), and I'll post here once I've confirmed this.
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Post by Fenklebaum on Dec 11, 2005 2:45:03 GMT -8
Query: How'd you find such large copies of those photos?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 11, 2005 8:54:07 GMT -8
Answer: These were the size of the photo's on Evergreenfleet.com. I don't know how to resize, or if it's possible, I just copied the link from that website (with that webmaster's permission).
You can email their webmaster from Evergreenfleet.com and he might be able to tell you where he got all his pics from.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Dec 11, 2005 10:02:31 GMT -8
The webmaster of that website is a member here on this forum. His username is evergreenfleet.
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 11, 2005 14:07:12 GMT -8
M.V. Jervis Queen Originally named Bainbridge, the 45-car, 600-passenger double-ended vessel was built in Houghton, Washington in 1928. She came to B.C. with Black Ball in the 1050s, before being sold to BC ferries and renamed. She was retired from service in 1966 and could be seen rotting at a Fraser River pier along River Road in 1985" Seeming she was made out of wood, over time, the water ended up making her hull rotten and then it sank in 1986, which was at the same spot on the Fraser River. A Floating barge was then brought in to lift the ferry out of the water to be cut up, and later burned. All according to: www.evergreenfleet.com/qullayute.html(bottom section) |
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Post by SS San Mateo on Dec 11, 2005 20:00:03 GMT -8
Unless the Smokwa was still operating after BCF sold her in 1966, WSF fans wins the claim since the San Mateo was retired in 1969.
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 11, 2005 20:37:40 GMT -8
SS San Mateo wrote:
"Unless the Smokwa was still operating after BCF sold her in 1966, WSF fans wins the claim since the San Mateo was retired in 1969."
I guess that settles it, then. I thought that was the case, but I found a line in (I think) G.&P. Bannerman's '85 book "The Ships of British Columbia" a claim that the 'ol 'Smokey' held that title.
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I thought I had seen that picture before, and I was right. In Perter Favelle's 1974 book "The Queens of British Columbia", that picture of Deas taken from the air (or a very similar pic, the angle of the one in the book is wider) with the Sechelt Queen, Pender Queen, Jervis Queen and George S. Pearson can be found (in black and white) on page 90.
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 11, 2005 21:30:15 GMT -8
I thought I had seen that picture before, and I was right. In Perter Favelle's 1974 book "The Queens of British Columbia", that picture of Deas taken from the air (or a very similar pic, the angle of the one in the book is wider) with the Sechelt Queen, Pender Queen, Jervis Queen and George S. Pearson can be found (in black and white) on page 90. You're right! I can't believe I never clued into seeing that picture sooner!! But I like this coloured picture more, just because it's alot bigger and zoomed in on the ferries more. |
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 11, 2005 21:50:22 GMT -8
Although, the wider angle of the picture in the book shows a better view of what Deas looked like way back then.
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 11, 2005 22:08:17 GMT -8
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 11, 2005 22:53:38 GMT -8
yeah, and it's even changed since that new air-photo was taken: The moorage space near the railway tracks, paralell to the river, has just recently been lengthened along that entire side of the basin (where the dock turns to beach in the photo).
For another historic photo of Deas, check out page 81 of Cadieux & Griffiths' 1967 book "Dogwood Fleet". In the shot (taken from the river side, again from the air) the Queen of Sidney is flanked by a B and a soon to be V Class (looks like QoNewWest and Queen of Esquimalt), both un-streched.
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 12, 2005 8:00:20 GMT -8
Yup, and if you look closely at the Queen of Esquimalt-the ferry furthest back-you can see one of the old steam ships. Most likely the Jervis Queen, same one that was posted on this page.
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 17, 2005 20:17:30 GMT -8
Oh yeah, I didn't notice that. It's quite difficult to see which ship it is. you can see one of the old steam ships. Most likely the Jervis Queen, same one that was posted on this page. Technically, though, there was only one "steamship" ever to sail for BCF, the "Smokwa". |
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Post by Mike C on Jan 6, 2006 15:52:12 GMT -8
Tis site will give you some info of ferries built in the 60's (V class) and som other info. Just click on Browse Archives to see some photos. You probably already know about this, I was just wondering if anybody hadn't. www.bcferries.bc.ca/corporate/history/ |
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Post by splashcat on Jan 13, 2006 23:09:48 GMT -8
Thanks to this thread, I finally dragged my Ferry books out of storage where they've been since the last move, and can add confirmation that the 4th ferry is the George S Pearson, according to a notation I made over 25 years ago.
George S Pearson is also the name of the Hwy 1 bridge just north of downtown Nanaimo, by the old Tally-Ho (Dating myself again)
Wondering who this person was I googled and found: "In 1922, Nanaimo sent George S. Pearson to the provincial legislature, and here as a prominent liberal and an energetic Minister of Labour, Mr. Pearson served for 23 years until his resignation from politics in 1952"
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Post by cascade on Jan 14, 2006 7:45:20 GMT -8
Tally-Ho in Nanaimo - yes I have spend a few nights there doing something around a bar I think, before going across the road to watch the "Beach Boys" Concert. (in the 70's)
Tally-Ho was also the first place I was in when it was raided by the RCMP - and I had my first fake ID - all for $5.00...it worked, I got out of the hard labour work camp...
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 14, 2006 9:45:38 GMT -8
I drive across that bridge, and past the old "Tally Ho" hotel every day.
small world, huh?
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