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Post by Political Incorrectness on Sept 14, 2005 21:12:35 GMT -8
really?? I thought after titanic britan passed laws that you had to have ships outfitted for all pax anyway some european countries have less leaneancy maybe ask cascade
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Post by cascade on Sept 15, 2005 7:22:23 GMT -8
Doug,
The tube train bombing was meant to cause a total shut down of the London transport network - which it did. We have 6M people living in London and the transport system in and out of London handles around 3M people per day - through Buses - Tube Train - Over ground Train - and the motor car. Plus you need to remember London is one of the Major world centers. Referring back to your question about why bomb a transport link - Edgeware Road - well there we have 3 tube lines meet and the bomb took out all 3 lines.
PAX - Not even life-jackets - no vessel under British flag or any other flag for that matter would be able to enter or even leave UK waters. This they are VERY hot on.. In fact they go in some cases well over the top - with life saving equipment. So what was the name of this vessel ?
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Post by cascade on Sept 15, 2005 7:29:40 GMT -8
In referring to the above - about "other" European countries - well in the "old" days - say 10 years ago - that could be the case. Not now.
In Europe we have had two major Ferry accidents in different parts - and all of Europe is now speaking - reading from the same sheet of paper regarding safety.
Remember here - if your vessel looks old and not well looked after - people - customers - will just not board it - even if it is the only vessel - last one leaving ect... We have a lot of competitions - so owners are well aware of the next door ship - hence as I have mention in the past we have a very healthy second hand market for vessels - as the "Successful" owners want new vessels - which keeps there customer base - revenue stream - MONEY...
You Cut corners, to save money - you will lose business. lose customers - and the next thing presto - your out of business.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Sept 15, 2005 9:32:48 GMT -8
Karl it is the Elwha that runs fulltime unless she is in for refit SS Elwha does not have on board customs and the Chelan is not SOLAS certified The Chelan is SOLAS certified. She went through modifications earlier this year so she could meet the SOLAS requirements. As for no service during the winter, that was one of the cost-cutting measures WSF did a couple of years ago (besides no service on the internation run during the winter schedule, WSF also dropped 3'rd boat service during the weekends on the Vashon run during the winter). As for the Evergreen State, I don't think she's been used much on the internation run in the last few years. From late 2001-early 2003 she was mainly on the Vashon run replacing the Tillikum and Klahowya when they went in for new control systems and safety upgrades. The SOLAS certificate expired either last year or in 2003 and AFAIK hasn't been renewed. -- LB |
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Post by Doug on Sept 15, 2005 16:55:05 GMT -8
European Causeway...I'll find the Website.
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Post by Doug on Sept 15, 2005 16:58:44 GMT -8
I may have read it wrong but I believe it's pretty clear....
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Sept 15, 2005 17:15:04 GMT -8
European Causeway is now the Pride of Canterbury or Kent
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Post by Doug on Sept 15, 2005 17:17:18 GMT -8
This is the new European Causeway.
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Post by Doug on Sept 15, 2005 17:19:32 GMT -8
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Sept 15, 2005 21:35:22 GMT -8
That certainly is a weird looking ship... That stack looks like something out of Star Wars, and that "bar" at the bow looks rather peculiar...
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Sept 15, 2005 21:41:49 GMT -8
well not the "European Causeway" I was looking at but oh well
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Post by cascade on Sept 16, 2005 5:37:52 GMT -8
Doug,
I had a look - found your web site where the info is on - all I can say is that it must be wrong. I have asked at Lloyds also today.
Here is something I found on her - based on this info - she would be carrying enought safety for over 1,000 people. She has 55 crew on top of the passengers she can carry.
European ROPAX Ferry
"EUROPEAN CAUSEWAY"
The “EUROPEAN CAUSEWAYE a ROPAX ferry, ordered by P&O EUROPEAN FERRIES (IRISH SEA) LTD., was originally designed and built at Shimonoseki Shipyard & Machinery Works of Mitsubishi heavy Industries, Ltd. (MHI). She was delivered to the owner on July 14, 2000.
She is engaged in shuttle service between Larne (Northern Ireland) and Cairnryan (Scotland).
The crossing time is around 1 hour and 45 minutes.
FEATURES
l Complies with the latest IMO regulations, including damage stability, such as IMO 265 (VIII), SOLAS CH.2-1 (Reg. 8), and IMO Res.14 (Stockholm Agreement).
l Split-stern gull form and high-performance propeller with HVFC (Hub Vortex Free Cap), achieving good speed performance.
l Four sets of main engines, two shafts, two controllable pitch propellers, and two compartments of the main engine room, according to the concept of LR EA notation concerning reliability and redundancy.
l Extremely effective maneuvering performance, by the combination of two bow thrusters, two flap-type rudders, with a max. Rudder angle of 45, and two controllable pitch propellers.
l Stepless passageways and toilets, for disabled persons.
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Post by cascade on Sept 16, 2005 6:21:54 GMT -8
Doug,
Just had a closer look at your picture and I can see four barrel life raft system on the Starboard side - which hold 50 people each - plus the two Orange boats you see up on the swing davits.
So it appears she is carrying barrel life raft system - 8 in total - which covers the 400 passengers. I also think she may have fitted a MES System, as she is "Stockholm Agreement" ready. These rules are the highest in the World for ROPAX vessels.
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