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Post by Chippewa on May 5, 2013 15:10:12 GMT -8
Thanks for the correction, Maybe the reason i missed the three port holes was because i got use to the SE's with a series of them running all the way along the side and the KDT's have the bigger windows right above them. Have not seen the Chetzemoka since she got more of them. That has to be a improvement.
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Post by FNS on May 5, 2013 15:47:24 GMT -8
Thanks for the correction, Maybe the reason i missed the three port holes was because i got use to the SE's with a series of them running all the way along the side and the KDT's have the bigger windows right above them. Have not seen the Chetzemoka since she got more of them. That has to be a improvement. The SE's had glass windows on their car deck as originally built in 1927. These, coupling with roller doors at the ends, virtually sealed the deck from sea spray on the not-always-calm San Francisco Bay. WSF replaced them with large rectangular steel sheets with portholes cut into them and three steel dowels welded within. Originally built with windows on her car deck, the OLYMPIC received the same treatment before entering service here. Her portholes would be the same as the SE's. You need to be a dog or a cat to see through all those freeing ports on the car deck aboard a KDT. |
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Post by Chippewa on May 5, 2013 17:34:01 GMT -8
Ferry Nut , you are right on about the Se's as i was just growing up on Rockaway beach on Bainbridge Island back in the 40's. I use to watch the ferries come and go. That how i got hook on them. Yes, i remember the Olympic ( and Rhody ) when she came out from MD. My dad got us on the first run before they open her up to the public. In my office i have just over 80 pictures of all of the Black Ball Ferries,WSF,Etc
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Post by rusty on May 8, 2013 22:00:03 GMT -8
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on May 10, 2013 16:29:42 GMT -8
Have they even started it, yet? If not the Salish will not be ready for May, 12 th the start of two boat service on Port Townsend / Coupeville route. |
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Post by FNS on May 10, 2013 18:10:56 GMT -8
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Post by PNW_ferrynerd on Mar 1, 2018 8:57:58 GMT -8
i wonder if they are going to make a nother one, if so, name it MV Olympic
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Post by Kahloke on Mar 1, 2018 9:49:27 GMT -8
i wonder if they are going to make a nother one, if so, name it MV Olympic Short answer is 'no'. We have no need for another "Kwa-di-tub-toy". They were designed using a template for a Martha's Vineyard ferry, MV Island Home, because in 2008 WSF needed something that would work at Keystone, and they needed it fast because they had just yanked the Steel Electrics out of service. The Island Home template fit the bill because it was a design that would work in Keystone's shallow harbor, and it was a design more-or-less complete; that is to say, almost off-the-shelf. So, that is how we ended up with Chetzemoka and her sisters. Personally, I think the Kwa-di Tabil design has a lot of flaws and is not particularly suitable for any of our routes, but we are stuck with them. |
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Post by PNW_ferrynerd on Mar 1, 2018 10:03:49 GMT -8
Let's pay a visit to the whistle department. I received a message from WSF recently and have learned that the air horn whistles that will be installed aboard these new ferries will be: Kahlenberg model D3-261  what whistle does the Jumbo M2's and Olympics use I found two YouTube videos of about the same whistles mounted on a car. |
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Post by FNS on May 27, 2018 0:55:26 GMT -8
RAILFAN RAY quoted me in the above message and embedded this question within it:
what whistle does the Jumbo M2's and Olympics use
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Post by withtheferries on Mar 26, 2020 20:22:45 GMT -8
i wonder if they are going to make a nother one, if so, name it MV Olympic Short answer is 'no'. We have no need for another "Kwa-di-tub-toy". They were designed using a template for a Martha's Vineyard ferry, MV Island Home, because in 2008 WSF needed something that would work at Keystone, and they needed it fast because they had just yanked the Steel Electrics out of service. The Island Home template fit the bill because it was a design that would work in Keystone's shallow harbor, and it was a design more-or-less complete; that is to say, almost off-the-shelf. So, that is how we ended up with Chetzemoka and her sisters. Personally, I think the Kwa-di Tabil design has a lot of flaws and is not particularly suitable for any of our routes, but we are stuck with them. I actually like them, So much that they are one of my favorite classes. I love their layout and the mezzanine decks! They don't have those cutouts on the car deck which i like. Plus no holes(or whatever there called) on the sides of the car deck makes their ferries lock clean and modern. I'd love to just chill on the mezzanine deck and just watch the water go by. |
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Post by Kahloke on Mar 27, 2020 6:06:00 GMT -8
I actually like them, So much that they are one of my favorite classes. I love their layout and the mezzanine decks! They don't have those cutouts on the car deck which i like. Plus no holes(or whatever there called) on the sides of the car deck makes their ferries lock clean and modern. I'd love to just chill on the mezzanine deck and just watch the water go by. To each their own, I suppose. As they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I like the original Jumbos (Spokane & Walla Walla) - they have a sleek and elegant design that most of the newer WSF vessels lack. As for the mezzanine decks on the Kwa-di Tabil's, that is the #1 feature lifted from Island Home, the Martha's Vineyard ferry on which this class of vessels was designed. For Martha's Vineyard, it makes sense. They need vessels which can take a large number of foot passengers, but not necessarily huge volumes of automobiles, and their shore loading ramps have foot passengers embarking and disembarking on the mezzanine level. Island Home has exterior doors on the mezzanine to accommodate those shore-side passenger ramps. For WSF, this design makes no sense, particularly on the routes where these ferries are deployed. But, like I stated above, WSF was in a pinch in 2008 and needed a more-or-less off the shelf design for a vessel with a shallow draft that would fit into Keystone Harbor, and Island Home fit the bill. |
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Post by withtheferries on Mar 27, 2020 10:04:50 GMT -8
The Kwa-di-tabil class is really good for pt.defiance and keystone. I do have one dislike about em though. I get dizzy whenever i ride em when the waves pick up a little bit. Shallow draft + design of hull = Bobbin up and down
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Post by FNS on Mar 27, 2020 16:26:35 GMT -8
The Kwa-di-tabil class is really good for pt.defiance and keystone. I do have one dislike about em though. I get dizzy whenever i ride em when the waves pick up a little bit. Shallow draft + design of hull = Bobbin up and down Actually, I believe the depth of Keystone Harbor required the shallow hull design.
As for PDF-TAH, a ferry with a smaller cabin would be better. An internal length of the VASHON's at a maximum (66' or 72'). Build an extended S2 class ferry for this run measuring 276 feet in length with a miniature ES appearing cabin, an extended S2 style wheelhouse, and the same viewing ports the S2 has on the car deck. A more efficient vessel on this short crossing.
Build a third slip in Port Townsend. The CHETZEMOKA would then be an instant backup to the KENNEWICK or SALISH on the Keystone run.
The KDT ferries are better suited for crossings lasting 30 minutes or longer due to their immense cabin sizes. Too much for Tahlequah.
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Post by withtheferries on Sept 29, 2020 11:29:02 GMT -8
I was wondering, why does the Kwa-di-tabil class not have those portholes on the car deck?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 29, 2020 11:48:29 GMT -8
I was wondering, why does the Kwa-di-tabil class not have those portholes on the car deck? The reason is because the design of Kwa-di-tabil was the same as the design of the MV "Island Home" from the US east coast, and had closed sides of the car deck most likely because of weather in the Nantucket Sound. |
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Post by withtheferries on Sept 29, 2020 12:02:36 GMT -8
I was wondering, why does the Kwa-di-tabil class not have those portholes on the car deck? The reason is because the design of Kwa-di-tabil was the same as the design of the MV "Island Home" from the US east coast, and had closed sides of the car deck most likely because of weather in the Nantucket Sound. Ah, that makes sense for Nantucket Sound but it also makes sense for Admiralty Inlet. It can get rough out there! I also like the look of it. But looks don't matter as much as safety does. |
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Post by mattsea on Jan 3, 2021 14:06:35 GMT -8
I’m not a frequent traveler on WSF but have had several opportunities to sail on Island home. When in Seattle last year I rode the 144 car ferry and found it to be much noisier than the Island Home. Are the 64 car ferries fairly quit like Island Home?
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Post by Kahloke on Jan 3, 2021 17:19:56 GMT -8
I’m not a frequent traveler on WSF but have had several opportunities to sail on Island home. When in Seattle last year I rode the 144 car ferry and found it to be much noisier than the Island Home. Are the 64 car ferries fairly quit like Island Home? I have ridden on Island Home (once), and numerous times on Chetzemoka, Salish, and Kennewick, the Island Home knock-offs. I would say the Kwa-di Tabils are more-or-less the same as Island Home, in terms of the noise they produce. They use different engines than Island Home, so it's hard to tell unless you were able to do a side-by-side comparison. As for the 144-car Olympics, I'm surprised you found them noisy. I find them to be very quiet inside the cabin; obviously much less so outside, but even there, they aren't overly loud. |
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