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Post by 1foot2ships on Mar 27, 2019 23:21:14 GMT -8
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Post by Dane on May 22, 2019 9:57:55 GMT -8
Burrard Chinook is in BC: bc.ctvnews.ca/mobile/new-seabus-arrives-in-local-waters-1.442932310-minute service looks set to start first week of September. (For those unfamiliar, traditionally this service has run with 15-minute frequency and peak times. That requires two boats. This will be and almost continuous three both service from now on.) |
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Post by WettCoast on Jul 10, 2019 20:12:44 GMT -8
Burrard Beaver, one of the two original (1970's) SeaBuses, approaches Lonsdale Quay, with Vancouver's West End & Stanley Park in the distance. This thing has been providing good service for more than 40 years now.
3 July 2019
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Post by 1foot2ships on Jul 19, 2019 18:52:11 GMT -8
i had no idea another seabus was on order until now! many questions, ... and more angry questions:
1. didnt they just buy another one a few years ago?!?! with the introduction of that new one ( with the stupid name) into service, they were supposed to run 3 boats simultaneously, but then those idiots decided against it, cause it would have required increased $frequency of buses to service lonsdale quay!
2. having decided instead to rotate three seabuses on a 2 sailing schedule, this was supposed to extend the life of the two existing ones! what happened to that plan?!
3. why beaver 'retired'? BCF runs their ships until they are ~60(?) why cannot TL do the mid-life upgrades (@ bc shipyards) and extend taxpayer value?
4. (obvious question) why is this new one not made in bc?!? lack of bids, uncompetitive bid, already occupied, no expertise = all garbage answers and will not be considered. a teeny tiny simple seabus, not much different from the original version (which was built here in bc btw),... was not built here in 2019!?? another unapproved answer is: delivery date. local yards could have built it concurrently as a side project or as something to do when their backlog clears. im not an expert, but there was no urgency here as i doubt there have ever been 2 sailing waits like at tsw/hsb.
5. had they kept beaver, seabus fleet = 4. am i correct? if that is the case, it would have provided very good service frequency for now and into the future. why TL so stupid not to pursue 4 ships when they almost had fingertips on it!?
6. arrrrrrrrrrrgh!  why do i have to pay taxes!? |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 19, 2019 19:36:30 GMT -8
i had no idea another seabus was on order until now! many questions, ... and more angry questions: 1. didnt they just buy another one a few years ago?!?! with the introduction of that new one ( with the stupid name) into service, they were supposed to run 3 boats simultaneously, but then those idiots decided against it, cause it would have required increased $frequency of buses to service lonsdale quay! 2. having decided instead to rotate three seabuses on a 2 sailing schedule, this was supposed to extend the life of the two existing ones! what happened to that plan?! 3. why beaver 'retired'? BCF runs their ships until they are ~60(?) why cannot TL do the mid-life upgrades (@ bc shipyards) and extend taxpayer value? 4. (obvious question) why is this new one not made in bc?!? lack of bids, uncompetitive bid, already occupied, no expertise = all garbage answers and will not be considered. a teeny tiny simple seabus, not much different from the original version (which was built here in bc btw),... was not built here in 2019!?? another unapproved answer is: delivery date. local yards could have built it concurrently as a side project or as something to do when their backlog clears. im not an expert, but there was no urgency here as i doubt there have ever been 2 sailing waits like at tsw/hsb. 5. had they kept beaver, seabus fleet = 4. am i correct? if that is the case, it would have provided very good service frequency for now and into the future. why TL so stupid not to pursue 4 ships when they almost had fingertips on it!? 6. arrrrrrrrrrrgh! why do i have to pay taxes!? I love it when our ferry forum morphs into the comments section of The Province. |
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Post by WettCoast on Jul 19, 2019 19:47:11 GMT -8
6. arrrrrrrrrrrgh! why do i have to pay taxes!? We pay taxes so that the population can be educated. Obviously we are doing a poor job in that department. This forum is not for rants. |
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Post by timmyc on Jul 19, 2019 22:06:53 GMT -8
> lack of bids ... = all garbage answers and will not be considered
What do you propose, FORCE (how?) some little yard to build it at a loss? Or pay them MORE (from the taxes you hate to pay!) to build it at a higher price than overseas? And if you think the local big yard, Seaspan, has any room at all to fit in "a teeny tiny simple...side project", they're already getting flak for being behind schedule on their current Coast Guard and Navy construction orders. Trying to cram in a Seabus would increase the cost of those projects as well, as the yard would have to reconfigure their tooling and construction methods, ruining the learning curve and cost-savings that come from building multiple units of the same thing (in this case, the three Offshore Fisheries Science Vessels).
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Post by WettCoast on Jul 22, 2019 20:06:32 GMT -8
Burrard Pacific Breeze, one of the newer SeaBuses, approaching Lonsdale Quay, with Vancouver's West End in the distance - 3 July 2019.
Looks like the BPB could use some paint ...
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Post by 1foot2ships on Jul 23, 2019 0:31:03 GMT -8
holey crabapple u guys (something wrong with auto spell-check. i am trying to type: hol-y cra-p). definitely not the response i was hoping for/expecting... a) morphs into comments section of the Province: good sarcasm, but not exactly. all 5 questions were serious. b 1) we pay taxes so the population can be educated. i guess youre right -im an idiot! thnx for making it personal. thnx even more for being a dink. b2) this forum is not for rants. im not smart enough to distinguish but what is a rant and what is an opinion? is it just a tone of voice? like i said in a) those were all things i was honestly wondering about.
b3) question for all: if the top moderator and #5 most posted member has to tar and feather somebody who was legitimately asking aloud, what is this message board? is it just a site for sharing photos? c) lack of bids... thnx for being the first to reply with some intelligence (instead of the typical on-line bullying tactic against newbs/outliers) but im not sure if you saw my entire pt #4. yes, i was criticising the procurement process for this new seabus, but my main point was whether this was actually needed, and most importantly why the seabus project couldnt be built AFTER their backlog clears? depending on that answer... yes, build it here, even if it costs more than acquiring it from somebody else (spirit class, fastcats, coastal class, salish class, island class, frigates, coast guard, science research...) as has been argued before with the fastcats project, i think most would agree that even though it turned out to be a disaster, IF it was designed and managed properly, the bc shipbuilding industry would be a lot different than what it is today. ergo... build it here so long as build/acquire costs < long term benefits to bc.
hey... if u guys want to keep on and continue with the riddicule and insults, no prob. u can certainly do so safely behind your computer monitors cause i dont have the intelligence (as has been discovered earlier) to do anything about it. |
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Post by EGfleet on Jul 23, 2019 12:27:12 GMT -8
I meant to post this some time ago. Burrard Otter, September, 1977. This orange paint reminds me of the old Key System orange. Very distinctive, (or perhaps "eye-watering") to say the least!   |
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Post by timmyc on Jul 23, 2019 16:55:05 GMT -8
but my main point was whether this was actually needed, and most importantly why the seabus project couldnt be built AFTER their backlog clears?
The backlog won't really clear for at least another decade - they're building the three OFSVs now, followed by the two Joint Support Ships (JSS) for the Navy, followed by the Offshore Oceanographic Science Vessel (OOSV), followed by sixteen (16!) multimission vessels. All of these are to replace nearly the entire Canadian Coast Guard fleet that's averaging 35-45 years of age. So they're all needed - if not urgently now, then by the time they are completed. The two JSS and the OOSV are probably the most urgently in need of completion, but won't be until around 2024-5 at best. So slotting in the Seabus would mean it wouldn't come online until around 2026, which goes back to your question on whether it's actually needed. Given that there are only the two "new" Seabuses with the third older one for spare, there's no room to really increase service to three active boats unless a fourth Seabus was acquired. With the wait times as they are, there's clearly a need for more frequent service now, not in 2026. |
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Post by Dane on Jul 25, 2019 20:15:16 GMT -8
Seaspan didn't even bid on the most recent SeaBus... Although we will never know I've heard anecdotally that they didn't make money on the last one with all the penalties for being late and extensive warranty work that was required.
When your local ferry builder is building their own ferries overseas it's a bit telling.
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Post by Neil on Jul 25, 2019 21:58:40 GMT -8
Seaspan didn't even bid on the most recent SeaBus... Although we will never know I've heard anecdotally that they didn't make money on the last one with all the penalties for being late and extensive warranty work that was required. When your local ferry builder is building their own ferries overseas it's a bit telling. ***sigh*** I'm afraid you're right, Dane. I'm just about resigned to the likelihood that no matter how vigorously I keep beating that dead horse, it's not coming back to life. |
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Post by 1foot2ships on Aug 21, 2019 12:07:06 GMT -8
mods... totally my fault for starting this debate, but would this all be better placed on the "building a fleet, bc ferries" thread?
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Post by Kahloke on Aug 21, 2019 12:28:24 GMT -8
mods... totally my fault for starting this debate, but would this all be better placed on the "building a fleet, bc ferries" thread? The discussion has been related to Seabus, so I think it's ok to leave it here. Thanks for checking, though  |
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Aug 26, 2019 19:38:22 GMT -8
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Post by Jessica on Aug 31, 2019 20:12:39 GMT -8
I actually saw all 3 of them running when I was on the Seabus during rush hour on August 30th. |
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Sept 11, 2019 17:24:28 GMT -8
When the MV Burrard Chinook enter service, TransLink should take that opportunity to paint on SeaBus with new livery that just has blue on top of dark grey.
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Post by Nickfro on Sept 25, 2019 14:42:07 GMT -8
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Post by WettCoast on Sept 25, 2019 18:15:39 GMT -8
There is a story here. How could they (CMBC, the ship yard,  ) screw this up? I have watched the BO II a number of times and thought it sits too low in the water. It seems that in many respects they have been unable to duplicate the success of the original 1970's Seabuses with any of the three newer ones. |
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Sept 25, 2019 19:05:32 GMT -8
I wonder if CMBC would do the retrofit the Burrard Otter II because it seems like has the same problem. |
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Post by timmyc on Sept 25, 2019 20:33:59 GMT -8
One wonders if it may be due to different buoyancy in the Dutch waters where it had its builders' trials?
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Sept 25, 2019 21:00:49 GMT -8
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Nov 2, 2019 20:10:37 GMT -8
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Post by Dane on Nov 4, 2019 16:15:31 GMT -8
The. One. Week. I. Need. The. SeaBus.
Darn. But Solidarity!
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why do i have to pay taxes!?
) screw this up? I have watched the BO II a number of times and thought it sits too low in the water. It seems that in many respects they have been unable to duplicate the success of the original 1970's Seabuses with any of the three newer ones.