mrdot
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Post by mrdot on Dec 11, 2010 11:27:27 GMT -8
:)I know I promised moderator mike I would refrain from the political, but, after digesting last nite's global news, and mr Hahn's reference of how deplorable the ferries were before his private crew took over, I cannot accept that the ferries I once knew, and managed by a much more frugal Monte Auldous,,can be deficated on by the hi-flying mr. Hahn. I will now concentrate on more nautical items and want to complement EG fleet for his latest historical pics. The steel electrics, while not beautiful, sure made great pictures. :)mrdot.
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Post by Neil on Dec 11, 2010 23:11:35 GMT -8
:)I know I promised moderator mike I would refrain from the political, but, after digesting last nite's global news, and mr Hahn's reference of how deplorable the ferries were before his private crew took over, I cannot accept that the ferries I once knew, and managed by a much more frugal Monte Auldous,,can be deficated on by the hi-flying mr. Hahn. I will now concentrate on more nautical items and want to complement EG fleet for his latest historical pics. The steel electrics, while not beautiful, sure made great pictures. :)mrdot. David Hahn was on CKNW Friday responding to Michael Smyth's somewhat rude questions about his salary. I have to give him credit for not hiding from the critics, and I don't really have a strong opinion that he's grossly overpaid, given the complexity and size of BC Ferries, not to mention its importance to British Columbians. But I agree, I too get tired of hearing how horrible the ferries were Prior To His Coming. Apparently, his salary is justified because when BC Ferries was under full public control, the labour force was slovenly and in full revolt, the boats were all close to being condemned, and the washrooms were "disgusting". Now, I know something about disgusting washrooms. In my misspent youth, I wasted many an evening in scuzzy peeler bars, where you might find the very definition of disgusting washrooms. In all my decades travelling on ferries, I never got the impression that washrooms were poorly tended. I don't know that they're any better under Dave's stewardship, but I do know that the tissue has gotten thinner and narrower. And then there's Hahn's claim to have ushered in a new era of labour peace. Fact is that virtually every unionized job site is more peaceful these days, with working people increasingly apprehensive about the very fact of having a job, let alone agitating for wage increases or contract improvements. Unions have lost numbers and influence in what seems to be an increasingly corporatist environment, and that's probably as much a factor in labour peace as anything that Hahn and his regime have initiated. There's also no reason to think that the fleet wouldn't have been renewed under a different CEO than David Hahn, or if BC Ferries had stayed a fully public operation. The inference that nobody knew how to run a ferry system until David Hahn arrived is kind of insulting to British Columbians. In justifying his salary, I think he's taking a wee bit too much credit.
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mrdot
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Post by mrdot on Dec 12, 2010 12:00:08 GMT -8
:)in reference to neil voyager's eleoquent defence of mr. Hahn, I have a lot of trouble with this notion that this is a privite ent. venture and all this tomyrot that there is so much more to be reconpensed for, I guess the management people I once knew all prehistoric numskulls, and only worth peanuts. As for todays labour scene, I am only thankful that my union retirement package is represented by a time that was much kinder to working people. :)mrdot.
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Post by Neil on Dec 12, 2010 13:07:14 GMT -8
:)in reference to neil voyager's eleoquent defence of mr. Hahn, I have a lot of trouble with this notion that this is a privite ent. venture and all this tomyrot that there is so much more to be reconpensed for, I guess the management people I once knew all prehistoric numskulls, and only worth peanuts. As for todays labour scene, I am only thankful that my union retirement package is represented by a time that was much kinder to working people. :)mrdot. "Eloquent defence of Mr Hahn"? I plead not guilty, though I do sort of admire his candour and his willingness not to hide from critics. No point in demonizing a guy who's doing a fairly good job of what he was hired to do, albeit with a very generous compensation package. There are probably scores of retired BC Ferries folks like yourself, even right up to the executive level, who don't remember the incompetent BC Ferries that David Hahn is telling us about. Nor do many members of the travelling public, like myself. In defending himself against a rather large contingent of critics in political circles, media, and the public, Hahn has chosen to create a straw man that's easy to knock down. For those of us who actually have functioning memories, it gets a bit tiresome to listen to, every time he's asked to justify himself.
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Post by Quatchi on Dec 12, 2010 22:07:11 GMT -8
I am pretty sure my grandfather would have cursed to hear this. He worked for BCF for many a year in management up at fleet house, and I know that he was proud of what he did, proud of the company and proud to work for Monty.
Although I generally like Hahn, he does do a fairly good job, and hes not shy at all. Sure his pay is up there, but he kinda does have a rather silly CEO job. He not only has to manage a relatively large private company, but he also has to please the province of BC, mainly the government, but also every citizen will complain as well. Its not like hes CEO of a manufacturing company, that would be to easy for him.
Cheers,
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Post by dofd on Dec 14, 2010 22:50:43 GMT -8
Have not seen this.
If it is here sorry!
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Post by WettCoast on Dec 20, 2010 22:10:06 GMT -8
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mrdot
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Post by mrdot on Dec 20, 2010 22:39:21 GMT -8
:)now that's what you call top heavy, and in maritime circles it suggests a danger of capsise! but steady as she goes on ss Possiden! and captn. Hahn will ring the engine room for full speed! :)mrdot.
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Post by Nickfro on Dec 21, 2010 10:02:49 GMT -8
Here's another article on the very same issue. . . Link to article HERE.
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Post by Nickfro on Dec 23, 2010 9:55:28 GMT -8
A news article related to David Hahn's pay and BC Ferries' Freedom of Information policy.... Link to article HERE.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 23, 2010 10:11:23 GMT -8
That's a good article on how the media is changing their protocols for waiting-for-comment, because of the way that BCFS releases its FOI info.
Thanks for posting that, Nickfro.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 28, 2010 8:04:29 GMT -8
BCFS has completed an FOI request for their employment-contract template for a shipboard excluded position. foi.bcferries.com/2010-031_2010-032responsive-record.pdfSome highlights: - potential annual bonus is 10% of base salary - benefit programs are the same as you'd see in most union jobs (MSP, life, dental, etc). - It lists the mid-point $amounts in the salary ranges for masters and senior-masters for different types of ships. (ie. intermediate ship master $95,000, major ship senior master $120,000, with more items listed in the document)
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 12, 2011 12:29:45 GMT -8
Here's an interesting, but minor FOI request: - filed by an individual on Jan.11, 2011
Seeing the non-neutral language used by this individual, and after seeing how BC Ferries tries to answer specific requests in a literal-fashion, I can predict that the response will be:
1) We do not confiscate funds from Coast-cards.
2) see item #1
3) We do not seize funds.
4) see item #3.
Gotta laugh when the rhetoric impacts the communication... ;D
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Post by Nickfro on Jan 14, 2011 14:31:33 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 17, 2011 13:12:25 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 20, 2011 13:38:35 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 20, 2011 16:08:38 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 20, 2011 19:52:13 GMT -8
I've reviewed the 2010 BCFS board minutes, and I didn't note anything that was "news" or scandalous.
The only trend of interest was that the only board-member who seemed to vote "No" to motions was Director Stephen Smith. There were a few meetings about Board compensation where Director Smith voted against those motions.
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- the only item of interest from 2009's minutes was the approval of the Queen of Chilliwack life-extension; but we already know about that.
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- June 2008's minutes mention a business opportunity for BCFS in Dubai. BCFS people were taking a trip to Dubai in June 2008 for this.
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Post by Curtis on Jan 21, 2011 1:36:28 GMT -8
- June 2008's minutes mention a business opportunity for BCFS in Dubai. BCFS people were taking a trip to Dubai in June 2008 for this. Wasn't BC Ferries thinking of expanding the company at one point for whatever reason outside not just BC but Canada? I seem to recall an announcement sometime in the last 5 years about a department of BC Ferries for international operations that never came to fruition. Though I think this if it isn't just in my head was long past by then. Perhaps they were going to look at a vessel like that Norwegian vessel they were looking at a month and a half ago.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 21, 2011 10:11:35 GMT -8
Arising from yesterday's release of the board minutes, there are some new FOI requests done today by "Vancouver 24 Hours" regarding some of those minutes issues:
I suppose that new information begets new FOI requests.
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Post by Northern Exploration on Jan 21, 2011 20:55:39 GMT -8
- June 2008's minutes mention a business opportunity for BCFS in Dubai. BCFS people were taking a trip to Dubai in June 2008 for this. Wasn't BC Ferries thinking of expanding the company at one point for whatever reason outside not just BC but Canada? I seem to recall an announcement sometime in the last 5 years about a department of BC Ferries for international operations that never came to fruition. Though I think this if it isn't just in my head was long past by then. Perhaps they were going to look at a vessel like that Norwegian vessel they were looking at a month and a half ago. I would think the economic situation in Dubai might have this on hold if a deal was close. Both YVR and YYZ Airport Authorities manage operations in other locations. Lets assume that the CATs emerge from whatever black hole they are hiding in presently, it could indeed be possible for BCFC to lend management expertise. If you have propriatary systems that work well and expertise, it is always a good idea to see if there is any incremental value in making it available to others.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 24, 2011 15:18:28 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 26, 2011 21:45:12 GMT -8
- June 2008's minutes mention a business opportunity for BCFS in Dubai. BCFS people were taking a trip to Dubai in June 2008 for this. Here's a news article about a possible ferry service start-up in Dubai in 2008, that would have been outsourced. Perhaps this is connected to the item mentioned in the above-quoted BCFS minutes? from here: www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/transport/ferry-service-for-dubai-creek
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Post by Northern Exploration on Jan 27, 2011 8:11:51 GMT -8
With the current histronics and spoiled child behaviour of the region concerning air rights, I would be pleasantly surprized if a Canadian company was signed to do anything like manage a ferry service.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 27, 2011 8:18:16 GMT -8
With the current histronics and spoiled child behaviour of the region concerning air rights, I would be pleasantly surprized if a Canadian company was signed to do anything like manage a ferry service. But this isn't current news. This is a 2008 happening, and things may have been different then.
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