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Post by plansea on Sept 23, 2010 11:37:51 GMT -8
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Post by Kahloke on Sept 23, 2010 11:41:35 GMT -8
I don't object to BC Ferries using any of my photos. In fact, I think it's kind of cool. But, as has been stated before, it would have been courteous of them to ask permission to use the photos before they just went ahead and did it. Here are the 3 photos they "borrowed" from my collection: Media Wall screenshot my photo date/time taken: June 14, 2009 1:40pm camera: Nikon D80 exposure: 0.17 sec (1/60) aperture: f/3.5 focal length: 18mm ISO speed: 200 Media Wall screenshot "Oustide Deck" - nice spelling my photo date/time taken: June 14, 2009 1:41pm camera: Nikon D80 exposure: 0.004 sec (1/250) aperture: f/8.0 focal length: 18.3mm ISO speed: 100 Media Wall screenshot "Passanger Lounge" - again with the spelling my photo date/time taken: August 17, 2008 11:21am camera: Nikon D80 exposure: 0.01 sec (1/100) aperture: f/5.0 focal length: 18mm ISO speed: 200
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 23, 2010 11:49:45 GMT -8
Big thanks to Mr. MacLeod at theTyee.ca for doing the story on this matter, and for providing the direct-link to this here thread. Thanks !
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 23, 2010 11:54:08 GMT -8
Now that I've figured out that there are multiple-photos of each ship on the media-wall (yeah, I can be slow at these things), I'm checking again, and I've found 2 more of my photos that were used. ======================= Shore shots of Tenaka, taken February 6, 2010: Here are some taken from the Heriot Bay Inn marina, at 8:30am: - Slowing down for the tricky maneuver. ============ Photos from February 6, 2010: ==============
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Post by Northern Exploration on Sept 23, 2010 12:38:42 GMT -8
At least whoever did the artwork was smart enough not to use any pics where people are visible enough to be recognized. A photo of someone who hasn't signed a release and is pictured prominantly in a public piece, is another common photo faux pas and can be a big headache. The content/spelling is so bad maybe someone succumbed to the $ of hiring offshore graphics. This is where someone in a third world country or China etc. does the artwork basics and someone here then proofs and cleans things up a bit and passes the work off as their own. This is happening in accounting, graphics, data entry, computer programing and numerous other areas. A friend was shocked to learn the guy she hired to do her taxes was just the front man and the person who actually did the work in QuickTax was in the Philipines.
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Post by Quatchi on Sept 23, 2010 13:15:16 GMT -8
My e-mail has been forwarded tot he marketing and travel services dept. So, my e-mail hasn't been completely ignored.
That's good I guess.
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Sept 23, 2010 13:33:21 GMT -8
The URL to the "Media Wall" has been removed from the links section on the Facebook page for BCFVC. However, there is another link to it located in the Info tab...
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Post by Quatchi on Sept 23, 2010 13:36:28 GMT -8
I just received an E-mail for the marketing manager at BCF. They say that they were given the photos from flicker and were unaware that they were not actually the property of the person who gave them to them, so no fault to BCF directly. They are going to credit me on the "Media Wall."
If anyone is interested in the contact please PM me.
PK, in what world do you come from where people do work for free. It has cost me a lot of money to get all the photos I have taken. I made it quite clear to the Manager that all they had to do was ask the right people in the future and they could probably have any picture they wanted from me or anyone else here.
I think if we are all polite about it there is no reason why they wont use our images again, but this time they will probably make sure they have the right owner next time.
Seems to have worked out alright in my opinion.
Cheers,
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 23, 2010 13:41:07 GMT -8
I just received an E-mail for the marketing manager at BCF. They say that they were given the photos from flicker and were unaware that they were not actually the property of the person who gave them to them, so no fault to BCF directly. They are going to credit me on the "Media Wall." I've received a similar response, and I'm also happy with it. I'm flattered that they've used 4 of my photos, and now I'm happy that they realize that those photos were taken by real people who care about their ships.
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Sept 23, 2010 13:41:13 GMT -8
I just received an E-mail for the marketing manager at BCF. They say that they were given the photos from flicker and were unaware that they were not actually the property of the person who gave them to them, so no fault to BCF directly. They are going to credit me on the "Media Wall." Your photos are not on Flickr, though... My photos are the only ones on that Fleet Overview that are from Flickr...
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 23, 2010 13:46:07 GMT -8
I just received an E-mail for the marketing manager at BCF. They say that they were given the photos from flicker and were unaware that they were not actually the property of the person who gave them to them, so no fault to BCF directly. They are going to credit me on the "Media Wall." Your photos are not on Flickr, though... My photos are the only ones on there that are from Flickr... The email that I received from BCFS says that BCFS received these images (including mine) from Flikr. - so that means that someone out there has poached our photos, put them on his/her Flikr page, and then has sold those photos commercially to BCFS. So there is still a thief out there somewhere, who gathers photos from people like us, puts them on Flikr, and then sells them to companies. It's reasonable for me to assume that BCFS knows who their marketing-dept acquired those photos from. Hopefully BCFS will put some heat on that "supplier" and terminate their relationship with that peddler.
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Sept 23, 2010 13:47:44 GMT -8
Brett, can you please PM the e-mail to the person from marketing who got in touch with you...
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Post by Quatchi on Sept 23, 2010 13:48:29 GMT -8
I just received an E-mail for the marketing manager at BCF. They say that they were given the photos from flicker and were unaware that they were not actually the property of the person who gave them to them, so no fault to BCF directly. They are going to credit me on the "Media Wall." Your photos are not on Flickr, though... My photos are the only ones on there that are from Flickr... I think it was someone else's account that was previously stealing from us. I actually have no idea how they got my photo, because it is not on my website or my photobucket account. In any case I feel the situation has been satisfactorily dealt with. Cheers,
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Post by Kam on Sept 23, 2010 14:02:53 GMT -8
Your photos are not on Flickr, though... My photos are the only ones on there that are from Flickr... My photos are on Flickr....
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Sept 23, 2010 14:08:27 GMT -8
My photos are on Flickr.... Oops, I knew that...
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Post by Northern Exploration on Sept 23, 2010 14:49:05 GMT -8
I am glad things have been explained regarding the photos and everyone seems much happier. Stealing on the web of photos is rife and some people have gone to great lengths to protect their photos. But with enough energy and time these can be circumvented. Impersonation is also far too easy on the web with photos so easy to pick up.
The mistakes in the page are another thing but BC Ferries got permission or purchased from someone thought to be legit. And contrary to the above I also think that in the future BC Ferries might approach some of the photographers on this forum directly as they have done with Scott and negotiate an easy arrangement for use of photos. And if they don't know it already, forum members would probably do it free or for some swag ;D.
Whether an author who reported this is left wing or right wing or middle of the road, there was nothing wrong with what he said and he relatively stayed to the facts without the usual over the top hyperbole.
Suggesting people should be magnanimous or forgiving would have been much more appropriate. However, I do take issue with the misuse of the word professional in one of the posts above. Protecting ones work whether as a hobby or as employment isn't at all unprofessional. Nothing anyone has said regarding the use of the pictures has been out of line. No one went off the rails or on a personal attack.
I am not about to trot out my resume but I have no bones about declaring what is right and done in the largest to the smallest ad agencies, graphic firms and anyone with a strong marketing background. People in the marketing industry should take pride and do things well. With all due respect what a particular individual has done isn't the measure, but rather what the industry feels is a best practice. BC Ferries is not a little firm running a one boat water taxi and the size of the corporation is such that these standards would not be unreasonable.
As it stands as I have said BCFerries haven't done wrong with the photos and perhaps have developed a new internal policy regarding purchasing photos off the web. Problems often provide the best solutions for moving forward.
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Sept 23, 2010 15:31:10 GMT -8
The wording of the e-mail that was sent to members who had photos stolen for use on the "Media Wall" has me concerned that BC Ferries thinks I (who has a Flickr account and was approached by BC Ferries) have sent the photos not belonging to me...
So to further add to the information that is contained on this thread, I have decided to post the two e-mails requesting the individual photos, 45 total, from my Flickr account for use on the "Media Wall"...
Those photos, like all photos on my account, have been taken by and copyrighted by me.
Late Edit: I received a reply earlier from "J" confirming that the photos stolen did not come from my account...
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Post by Quatchi on Sept 23, 2010 15:41:23 GMT -8
Scott,
I am going to send my original to BCF along with a couple other shots that I think are better back to "J". I will clarify that I know it was not you who gave them the photos that are in question.
Cheers,
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Post by Quatchi on Sept 23, 2010 15:49:02 GMT -8
HAHAHA, just another day at the office for the folks over in Marketing.
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Post by Neil on Sept 23, 2010 16:25:00 GMT -8
Wonder sometimes why there is this constant warfare going on between some members here and BC Ferries. I've never seen it in the UK based ferries forum I vist which supports a large fleet ferry company and they have more co-operation although that means not agreeing on everything 100%, 100% of the time. In by any means, the forum should build up its releationship with BCF and not try to destroy it. That doesn't mean agreeing with everything BCF does 100%, 100% of the time, but does not mean being in constant warfare. This is a forum, not a fan club- although there certainly is a fan element. You're misrepresenting what people are saying- nobody's waging "constant war". People have raised legitimate concerns over their photos being appropriated by a commercial enterprise without even credit being given. I didn't like someone being essentially drummed out of the discussion for not being sufficiently sunny side up about the Chetzemoka, and I don't care for the notion that we have to self-censor reasonable criticism for the sake of gaining some imaginary good favour from BC Ferries, or anyone. and I wouldn't see that Andrew McLeod of the left wing Tyee would suddenly reseach this on his own (with everything else going on, why would he?) He was indeed contacted. The tyee is an alternative online paper that was good, but is more and more getting to be more left wing that anything the NDP comes out with. What on earth does left or right wing politics have to do with a story about the use of people's photos? Is everything political? This might be the last time BCF ever uses any pictures from anyone on the forum if this get to their point of irritability. More likely, they'll recognize that this forum is a resource but that people simply expect at least credit for the photos they've taken.
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Post by lmtengs on Sept 23, 2010 16:36:57 GMT -8
Interesting. I tried to go to the site to see if any of my pictures had been added, and what do I find? This. What a laugh. I guess I'll just try to access the site every day until the site works... Oh, and a NOTE TO BC FERRIES: I give you permission to use any of MY pictures, as long as there is an easily legible (at least 11pt. font size) photo credit going to "Luke Tengs". This credit must be close enough to the picture to allow for seeing the photo and the photo credit on a smaller sized computer monitor WITHOUT scrolling. Preferably less than 2 centimeters from the photo on the screen. Also, please DO notify me prior to your using of any of my photos. Thank you, and have a good day Attachments:
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Post by WettCoast on Sept 23, 2010 17:15:28 GMT -8
I am personally hurt that BCFS has chosen not to poach any of my photos this time around . Really, the explanation re being given access to photos from someone on Flikr (could that be Flickr?) is just more bizarre than I can believe. Perhaps the infamous James Fisher of photobucket fame is the culprit.
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Post by glasseye on Sept 23, 2010 17:21:50 GMT -8
Anyone who's concerned about their photos being poached onto other image hosts can use tineye.com to look for additional copies of their photo posts.
Tineye won't find images embedded in flash, but it will find if someone else has been uploading your images to Flickr or something similar.
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Post by mrdot on Sept 23, 2010 18:24:51 GMT -8
:)I know very well why ferries haven't touched my stuff, as it all is in dogwood years, and they have flushed that material, many items were in the old offices and have dissappeared from them all. So it is left to historical memorabilla people like my brother and others in this forum to keep it alive. mr.dot.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 23, 2010 20:26:14 GMT -8
Oh, and a NOTE TO BC FERRIES: I give you permission to use any of MY pictures, as long as there is an easily legible (at least 11pt. font size) photo credit going to "Luke Tengs". This credit must be close enough to the picture to allow for seeing the photo and the photo credit on a smaller sized computer monitor WITHOUT scrolling. Preferably less than 2 centimeters from the photo on the screen. Also, please DO notify me prior to your using of any of my photos. Thank you, and have a good day ha ha ha, and what was it that you told BC Ferries to do to themselves, back in the summer, when the Queen of Alberni was full? Right, and now they're going to be extra-careful for you with font-size and proximity? Too funny. ;D
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