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Post by lmtengs on Nov 29, 2010 17:54:13 GMT -8
Would it be possible in the future to turn one or both of the mezzanine decks into gallery car-decks, similar to what us British Columbian's have on our C-class ships?
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Post by chokai on Nov 29, 2010 18:02:57 GMT -8
Would it be possible in the future to turn one or both of the mezzanine decks into gallery car-decks, similar to what us British Columbian's have on our C-class ships? Maybe for Smart cars.... ;-) No not really I can't see how it would be done. |
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Post by FNS on Nov 29, 2010 18:31:15 GMT -8
On fuller loads it probably takes longer to load because of the cardeck design. Drivers have to be careful, because of the limited space between lanes, and the obstructions at the bulkheads. The lane outboard of the casing gives you the most room, but as that's the low side you won't get in there unless it's a full load, or you ask for handicap access to the elevator. The most entertaining/interesting thing I observed during my rides was people just plain getting confused on where to go. Whether in the car on the deck or on foot in the stairs/cabin. Even if you know it anecdotally you don't realize how really similar every boat in the fleet from the Evergreen's on is with regards to basic design until you ride the Chetzy. One thing's for sure, the CHETZY is one great photo gallery. Almost anywhere you walk about in her cabin, you'll find yourself looking at an interesting photo. Most or all of the ferries in the WSF fleet didn't have photos mounted on their bulkheads until around the 1980s or so. Clean bulkheads, except for some licenses and notices et al.          SUN DECK
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Post by rusty on Nov 29, 2010 19:18:52 GMT -8
Looks like they need some pictures in the saddle lounges too! It's a great boat to do walk-arounds on.
OBTW: she's tied up due to the wind tonight.
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Post by rusty on Nov 29, 2010 21:11:14 GMT -8
I am curious to see how many more people leave thier cars with there being no windows on the vehicle deck which I fear will become cave like as the boats age and lighting gets older and tireder etc...... Ironically that's by far her worst passenger amenity related feature IMO, I only hope the rumblings of no more vehicle deck windows at all turn out to be false, but it's increasingly sounding like this will be the case going forward. My greatest joy of riding on the Steilacoom II was that of being rocked to sleep in my car. On the Chetzemoka, I go upstairs--the car deck is a cave, the cabin a palace. |
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 29, 2010 22:14:09 GMT -8
Well, it wasn't a very pleasant night up in the SJIs either... Rosario was kind of lumpy. The Supers weren't having a lot of fun.
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Post by FNS on Nov 30, 2010 0:25:31 GMT -8
Looks like they need some pictures in the saddle lounges too! It's a great boat to do walk-arounds on. OBTW: she's tied up due to the wind tonight. The saddle lounge does have some photos...   This is the side opposite of the Bike Deck as you see in my above posting. |
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Post by rusty on Nov 30, 2010 9:54:15 GMT -8
The saddle lounge does have some photos... This is the side opposite of the Bike Deck as you see in my above posting. I guess I'll wander down that way the next time I'm on her, and look and read. She's tied up again this morning due to the weather. I rode her yesterday morning in moderately rough conditions. The boat handled that really well, and doesn't seem to roll much. |
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Post by lifc on Nov 30, 2010 10:04:23 GMT -8
That's due to the rolling chocks, they really work.
If the Steilacoom II had had them, it would not have rolled much either, the hull beam cross-sections of the two boats are very similar. Pierce County did not think they needed them for the intended route, things sometimes work out differently.
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Post by Kahloke on Dec 4, 2010 23:13:10 GMT -8
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Post by trackside on Dec 6, 2010 11:48:37 GMT -8
I rode it on Saturday and walked on from the Keystone side. I had forgotten about what I was told was a perminant 10° list, but as another said it wasn't noticable. I'm not real familiar with that run, and when WSF first showed the specs for the Chetzemoka I wondered why they didn't make it bigger so it could hold more cars. That question was answered Saturday when I saw how tight it is at Keystone. You could watch the displaced water race out of the narrow harbor as it entered.  What a beautiful ship and it still had that new ferry smell inside. |
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 6, 2010 12:12:35 GMT -8
You have got to be joking. A 10 degree list? I was aware of the list to begin with, but please tell me this is an exageration.
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Post by trackside on Dec 6, 2010 12:18:42 GMT -8
You have got to be joking. A 10 degree list? I was aware of the list to begin with, but please tell me this is an exageration. I don't know if that's accurate, but that's what a WSF employee told me about a month ago. I had fogotten about it until someone on here mentioned the list. |
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Post by Barnacle on Dec 6, 2010 13:06:17 GMT -8
That isn't accurate, it's a total drama-fest. Using basic trigonometry to do the math, a ten-degree list results in an eleven-foot drop in the deck from one side of the vessel to the other. I was skeptical, so I checked it out graphically (I drew a picture and measured).
Yup, eleven feet.
Which, JFTR, presents a deck that is thoroughly uncomfortable to walk on. If anyone else's math proves otherwise, please bring it forth.
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Post by Kahloke on Dec 6, 2010 13:12:09 GMT -8
I did not notice a list when I rode Chetzemoka last Saturday. There were cars on the auto deck to help offset the "built-in list" that the builders have already acknowledged, which is, of course, what is supposed to happen.
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Post by trackside on Dec 6, 2010 14:13:00 GMT -8
That isn't accurate, it's a total drama-fest. Using basic trigonometry to do the math, a ten-degree list results in an eleven-foot drop in the deck from one side of the vessel to the other. I was skeptical, so I checked it out graphically (I drew a picture and measured). Yup, eleven feet. Which, JFTR, presents a deck that is thoroughly uncomfortable to walk on. If anyone else's math proves otherwise, please bring it forth. HAA! Yeah I get the same number, a little over 11'. The Chetzemoka is 64' wide correct? That would be awfully noticeable, and unnerving in real life. |
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Post by Barnacle on Dec 7, 2010 9:21:30 GMT -8
Unnerving and unloadable.  |
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Post by tom98250 on Dec 14, 2010 7:08:19 GMT -8
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Post by SS San Mateo on Dec 14, 2010 7:27:05 GMT -8
Interesting, considering that the MV Salish would be going up to the San Juans under the current porposal.
Someone got a number wrong:
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Post by EGfleet on Dec 14, 2010 8:24:29 GMT -8
And incorrect as S.S. San Mateo pointed out. It'll be the Salish that would be sent to the islands, not the Chetzemoka. And according to MM Haugen, that isn't going to happen. Having said it in the press repeatedly, she's kind of painted herself into a corner on the issue now. |
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Post by lifc on Dec 21, 2010 14:47:01 GMT -8
Rode the Chetzemoka to PT on Saturday Night and back on Sunday. The thing does shake a bit, some places worse than others but really not too bad overall. There are a couple of spots around the stairs on the passenger decks that really gave my tennis shoes a massage. Comparatively the SEII is much smoother and quieter, the Chetzy’s engines kind of whine.
The one thing I did notice was on the way back, it got to Keystone way quicker and they came into Keystone way “hotter” than the SEII. One of the crew told me they had to cancel a few runs from Keystone because the new rub rails, which are not full length. It seems the Captain was worried that the high south winds and accompanying rapid flood tide would push the boat onto the outside Northern Dolphin and the terminated seaward end of the northern shore side rail would catch on the dolphin spinning the boat around and onto the beach at Fort Casey. I would call that a prudent decision by the Captain. I would also call it an imprudent decision by the authorities to not complete the rail. I hope they next two have this done better.
From my take, while the boat is beautiful, the passenger spaces are way bigger than will ever be needed on the route and in fact any of the intended routes.
If any of you know what the fuel use per day is, please let me know.
Jim
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Post by SS Shasta on Dec 21, 2010 15:02:33 GMT -8
What is the required crew size for the new Chetz? How does this compare with MV Evergreen State?
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Post by lifc on Dec 21, 2010 22:51:31 GMT -8
I think it has nine on board, one more than the SE's, due to the large engines.
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Post by Barnacle on Dec 22, 2010 5:06:59 GMT -8
Don't know the crew size on the Chetzemoka for certain, but the Evergreen State takes eleven (top to bottom). As for the fuel consumption, you're going to have to make friends with a Chetzemokan engineer to find out. You've asked us about five times; the silence should make it obvious that none of us know.  |
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Post by lifc on Dec 22, 2010 14:24:44 GMT -8
I keep asking because time has elapsed some since it first went into service and some of the information may have percolated up through the system, that's all. I wil probably have to call the Ferry operations.
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