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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 1, 2015 11:59:14 GMT -8
Interesting. We'll be taking our first trip on this route in August (Anacortes-Sidney). Really looking forward to it.  Sidney/Anacortes international route has had reservations for a number of years already. It's the San Juan - Anacortes routes that are new for reservations. ....you'll enjoy Sidney / Anacortes. Lovely scenery. |
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Post by lifc on Jun 15, 2015 17:22:51 GMT -8
Does anyone here know how many and which vessels were on the San Juan Islands route in the mid 1960's?
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Post by Kahloke on Jun 15, 2015 20:42:51 GMT -8
Does anyone here know how many and which vessels were on the San Juan Islands route in the mid 1960's? I can't tell you how many vessels were doing the San Juan Islands route in the mid 1960's. I do know that they had additional ferries in the summer, and I suspect that they went back to two vessel service in the off-season. My grandma used to tell me that service pretty much dropped off after Labor Day, which meant only 2 sailings a day after summer was over. In the early to mid 60's, these were the vessels that could be found working the islands (information courtesy of Evergreenfleet.com) - Chetzemoka (summers only, 1962-1965) - Chippewa (summers only, 1960-1963) - Evergreen State - Klickitat - Vashon |
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Post by princessofvanfan on Jun 15, 2015 20:50:14 GMT -8
Interesting. We'll be taking our first trip on this route in August (Anacortes-Sidney). Really looking forward to it. Sidney/Anacortes international route has had reservations for a number of years already. It's the San Juan - Anacortes routes that are new for reservations. ....you'll enjoy Sidney / Anacortes. Lovely scenery. Thanks for that. I'll be out on one of the pickle-forks for most of the trip, I'm sure! |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 15, 2015 21:21:47 GMT -8
Sidney/Anacortes international route has had reservations for a number of years already. It's the San Juan - Anacortes routes that are new for reservations. ....you'll enjoy Sidney / Anacortes. Lovely scenery. Thanks for that. I'll be out on one of the pickle-forks for most of the trip, I'm sure! Here's the route: |
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Post by crashlament on Jul 16, 2015 18:33:08 GMT -8
Recently (about a week ago), I was on the Kitsap at Anacortes and got a departure out of slip 2! Enjoy!  |
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Post by crashlament on Jul 16, 2015 18:38:03 GMT -8
About a week ago, I did a round trip at Lopez Island on the newer Kitsap. It was fun! I got a departure and arrival video at Lopez Island that I thought I might show you guys. Enjoy! |
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Post by crashlament on Jul 16, 2015 18:39:00 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 16, 2015 18:55:31 GMT -8
Videos that focus on the wake/water, instead of the actual berth and scenery of the dock/terminal aren't interesting to me.
For my tastes, I think you should zoom out your camera and show more of the scenery/location in the frame, instead of mainly showing zoomed-in churning water. I'm not interested in viewing videos of churning water...
Or maybe videos of churning water is a niche thing.
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Post by crashlament on Jul 16, 2015 19:29:05 GMT -8
When the Elwha broke down I was supposed to take her to Anacortes, but did'nt. Instead the terminal crew let domestic travellers on the 7:25 from Sidney to Anacortes, when I got a Friday Harbor Depparture on the Chelan. Enjoy! |
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Post by crashlament on Jul 17, 2015 7:13:41 GMT -8
Videos that focus on the wake/water, instead of the actual berth and scenery of the dock/terminal aren't interesting to me. For my tastes, I think you should zoom out your camera and show more of the scenery/location in the frame, instead of mainly showing zoomed-in churning water. I'm not interested in viewing videos of churning water... Or maybe videos of churning water is a niche thing. Yeah, but bear in mind that this was the Kitsap and a rare sight to see here and I did focus on the berth a few times. |
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Post by Kahloke on Aug 11, 2015 17:45:24 GMT -8
Given the reservation system for the San Juans, it makes me wonder how much a benefit it would be to have another vessel for the islands and could the islands handle having a 4th Anacortes-San Juan Islands vessel. This probably isn't the place to put it, but I actually wrote a summer schedule a few years ago for the San Juans with the same 5 vessels they have now, but with the service to Sidney eliminated. And, truthfully, I recently revised it to project out into the future a bit, so the vessels I have assigned is what it would look like with 4 Olympic Class ferries in service, and the complete retirement of the Evergreen Class. My schedule has Chelan dedicated to Lopez, and the other 3 mainline vessels rotating between the Anacortes-Shaw/Orcas and Anacortes-Friday Harbor runs. It was an interesting exercise, and I believe it can be done. Keeping Sidney under such a scenario would not be viable, unless another tie-up slip is added at Anacortes, or one of the mainline vessels overnights in Friday Harbor - just not enough room for 6 boats up there. So, here goes: cover page  westbound  eastbound  vessel deployment  |
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Aug 11, 2015 18:18:59 GMT -8
I will do not think elimating the Sidney route is good idea because it's tourists route and reduce a lot business in Sidney and / or Anacortes from the tourists.
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Post by Kahloke on Aug 11, 2015 18:35:29 GMT -8
I will do not think elimating the Sidney route is good idea because it's tourists route and reduce a lot business in Sidney and / or Anacortes from the tourists. Here's my take on Sidney: I do not deny it is a very beautiful and scenic crossing, but it does not come even close to breaking even, and it is not necessary service - i.e. core to the system. Service to Sidney is expensive for the ferry system to operate, and WSF is still not in good shape, financially. If there were any cost savings to be had, eliminating Sidney would be high on my list of places to cut back and/or eliminate. Port fees in Sidney, constantly changing regulations to meet SOLAS requirements, and then the costs to make those upgrades, the land space the customs areas in Anacortes require, are all good reasons to kill Sidney. Also, I find it hard to believe that eliminating Sidney would have a huge impact to tourism in Anacortes. It might make a bit of a dent in Sidney, but there again, Victoria International Airport is nearby, as is Swartz Bay, so I think the economic impact of eliminating Washington State Ferries there may be less than some (ahem...the mayors of Anacortes and Sidney) would lead you to believe. I would argue that Anacortes sees the bulk of its tourists heading to the San Juan Islands, not Sidney. If Sidney did not get completely eliminated, I agree with Political Incorrectness that it's operating window should get cut back even further - maybe mid May thru mid October. |
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Post by Barnacle on Aug 11, 2015 18:44:56 GMT -8
If the Sidney run were to be eliminated in the San Juans, there would be no fifth boat in the summer. It's as simple as that.
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Post by Kahloke on Aug 11, 2015 19:36:46 GMT -8
If the Sidney run were to be eliminated in the San Juans, there would be no fifth boat in the summer. It's as simple as that. I'm sure you're right about that. Although, in the summer, 4 boat domestic service is about what exists right now. Chelan does the early morning run to Lopez, so if there were 4 boat service in the summer, that would have to be covered by the other vessels. Other than that, the current summer schedule could more or less be maintained. My 5-boat domestic schedule above is more of a "what-if" exercise - what would 5 boat service look like without Sidney in the mix? It's not necessarily something based in reality. |
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Post by Kahloke on Aug 11, 2015 19:41:22 GMT -8
bump to signify that I moved a bunch of posts relating to the San Juan route over to this thread. I'm afraid I got us a bit off-topic today, so this is my effort to re-direct the conversation to a more appropriate location.
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Oct 13, 2015 20:06:36 GMT -8
Hey, If anyone happens to be interested, go check out the website I made for the San Juan Islands ferry at: sanjuanferry.doodlekit.com* Let me know if anyone likes it. LINK HERE* - Information retrieved from the WSDOT's WSF ferry page at wsdot.wa.gov/ferries ============ [Moderator edit to show direct clickable link] |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 13, 2015 20:55:52 GMT -8
Hey, If anyone happens to be interested, go check out the website I made for the San Juan Islands ferry at: sanjuanferry.doodlekit.com Let me know if anyone likes it. LINK HEREFor your vessels page, I note that the various ship diagrams are just copied from the WSF official page, and the write-up on each vessel is also a word-for-word copy/paste from the WSF official page. - you haven't noted that this was taken from the official page, and yet your own page has a copyright notice on it. So you take freely from another website, and yet you put your own copyright notice on that "taken" material. I think that's a problem. I noted that your photos are presumably your own. That's a good thing. So I think you need to note your source for your vessel diagram and description pages. Citing your references, especially for direct cut/paste, is a good thing. In fact it's the right thing to do. |
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Post by Neil on Oct 13, 2015 21:15:12 GMT -8
Hey, If anyone happens to be interested, go check out the website I made for the San Juan Islands ferry at: sanjuanferry.doodlekit.com Let me know if anyone likes it. LINK HEREFor your vessels page, I note that the various ship diagrams are just copied from the WSF official page, and the write-up on each vessel is also a word-for-word copy/paste from the WSF official page. - you haven't noted that this was taken from the official page, and yet your own page has a copyright notice on it. So you take freely from another website, and yet you put your own copyright notice on that "taken" material. I think that's a problem. I noted that your photos are presumably your own. That's a good thing. So I think you need to note your source for your vessel diagram and description pages. Citing your references, especially for direct cut/paste, is a good thing. In fact it's the right thing to do. When you say "check out the website I made", and a good part of it is copied verbatim from a company or government agency, that's just rank dishonesty. And a copyright notice at the end? Who authorizes copyright notices, anyway? |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 14, 2015 8:00:49 GMT -8
Hey, If anyone happens to be interested, go check out the website I made for the San Juan Islands ferry at: sanjuanferry.doodlekit.com Let me know if anyone likes it. LINK HEREA few more questions and comments: 1) What's the purpose of your site? - is it a school project, or a hobby thing? - or do you plan on maintaining it as a useful information tool for people to use? 2) Have you considered that a viewer of your site might conclude that you are operating a San Juan Island Ferry? - that's why your site name suggests. 3) Have you considered the risk to yourself and to your parents of being sued for this site? - by WSF, because you appear to be representing them without their consent. In fact, that's what you're doing on your reservations page, based on the wording that you've used. - by WSF, because you have taken items from their webpage without their consent - lots of items - your entire site is built on pages copied from the WSF website. - by the travelling public who might use your site, and make a travel mistake and then blame you I think there is a real risk when a child does a publicly viewable webpage that appears to represent a government agency and a travel advice business. But at least you're in the USA, where no one sues anyone for minor things like this..... If I had a 14 year old child who created a webpage that had rampant use of unauthorized items from a government agency and also appears to be a travel advice service, I'd take parental action and shut it down. My advice to you is to delete your webpage, before it gets your parents into legal trouble. |
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Post by Kahloke on Oct 16, 2015 12:39:16 GMT -8
Hey, If anyone happens to be interested, go check out the website I made for the San Juan Islands ferry at: sanjuanferry.doodlekit.com Let me know if anyone likes it. LINK HEREI'm a little late chiming in on the subject, but I thought I would add my input. Hopefully, you're not taking our criticisms about your site too harshly. Your creativity and interest in ferries is admirable, and admittedly, there are aspects to your page I find much cleaner and more user-friendly than WSDOT's Ferries Division site, but Flugel Horn is quite correct in pointing out the risks inherent in copying and displaying content that is not your own, particularly with schedules and tools the traveling public will be searching for and relying on. You're really exposing yourself to a whole lot of legal trouble I don't think you, or your parents, want or need. Perhaps you could limit your website to your photography and ferry travels. At least that is content you own, so there shouldn't be any legal issues there. |
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Oct 16, 2015 12:59:42 GMT -8
Hey, If anyone happens to be interested, go check out the website I made for the San Juan Islands ferry at: sanjuanferry.doodlekit.com Let me know if anyone likes it. LINK HEREI'm a little late chiming in on the subject, but I thought I would add my input. Hopefully, you're not taking our criticisms about your site too harshly. Your creativity and interest in ferries is admirable, and admittedly, there are aspects to your page I find much cleaner and more user-friendly than WSDOT's Ferries Division site, but Flugel Horn is quite correct in pointing out the risks inherent in copying and displaying content that is not your own, particularly with schedules and tools the traveling public will be searching for and relying on. You're really exposing yourself to a whole lot of legal trouble I don't think you, or your parents, want or need. Perhaps you could limit your website to your photography and ferry travels. At least that is content you own, so there shouldn't be any legal issues there. OK. Thank you Kahloke for phrasing it better than Flugel Horn, in a more... respectful way. I will consider what you said. |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 16, 2015 13:01:31 GMT -8
OK. Thank you Kahloke for phrasing it better than Flugel Horn, in a more... respectful way. I will consider what you said. No worries from me about my comments, EState. |
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Oct 16, 2015 13:03:25 GMT -8
OK. Thank you Kahloke for phrasing it better than Flugel Horn, in a more... respectful way. I will consider what you said. No worries EState. I'm sorry for saying that. no worries. Thanks, |
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