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Post by Low Light Mike on Apr 16, 2012 20:07:06 GMT -8
Not Titanic, but a bit similar: - I'm currently reading a book about the Empress of Ireland disaster.
May 1914 sinking off Rimouski Quebec, with approximately 1,100 people killed. She sank in 14 minutes, after being rammed by a coal ship in the St. Lawrence river. Because it happened at night and so quickly, many of the passengers never had a chance to escape their cabins.
The Empress of Ireland tragedy impacted one well known group, The Salvation Army. A few hundred Sally-Ann officers were on their way to London for a conference, and most of them perished.
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Post by Neil on Apr 17, 2012 10:06:12 GMT -8
By the morning of the 17th, most people were still somewhat in the dark about the extent of the tragedy. This paper would have come out overnight (16th-17th).
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Post by Neil on Apr 18, 2012 8:48:08 GMT -8
April 18, 1912.
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Post by FNS on Apr 18, 2012 22:53:00 GMT -8
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Post by Neil on Apr 19, 2012 9:15:27 GMT -8
April 19, 1912.
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Post by Northern Exploration on Apr 19, 2012 15:22:47 GMT -8
Thanks for posting the newspaper articles Neil. Very interesting.
Here there were a bunch of events to commemorate the sinking. One was an authentic afternoon tea using recipes and dishes from the Titanic, held at the King Edward Hotel. And not for Titanic era prices. People actually got "dressed" for it.
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Post by Neil on Apr 20, 2012 12:01:22 GMT -8
For four days, April 16-19, 1912, Titanic was the banner headline in the New York Times. It probably became so again when the inquiry started.
I've been amazed how much coverage the 100th anniversary of the sinking has received, both from the press and in some public events. The number of articles about the sinking itself have pretty much been matched by the number exploring the social psychology of why the story still resonates so much.
An eight page article in the current New Yorker magazine looks at various book and film treatments of the story over the past hundred years, and yes, why we still care. Well worth a read.
Dreadful to think that so many lives were lost because the Californian, only ten miles away, didn't have a wireless operator on duty at night, and it's officers didn't have more curiosity about why those flares were being fired.
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Post by Queen of Nanaimo Teen on Apr 30, 2012 14:39:23 GMT -8
I had always wondered for years why some company wouldn't want to build a replica. Worth a trip once she's built? I think so!
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Post by lmtengs on Apr 30, 2012 14:49:57 GMT -8
This sounds exciting! But whether or not it actually happens, we'll see.
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Post by hullnumbers on Apr 30, 2012 17:31:34 GMT -8
I'm half/ half if its going to be built... First off, it would be kind of a dishonour to build an actual sized replica but on the other hand it would be great.
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Post by FNS on Apr 30, 2012 19:09:16 GMT -8
I'm half/ half if its going to be built... First off, it would be kind of a dishonour to build an actual sized replica but on the other hand it would be great. If a replica is ever built, make that one with all the safety features we see today. Even if you have to "make MES stations look less noticeable" on the black hull. Even if you have to hide lifeboats behind easily opening doors and welding the hull with greater watertight bulkheads and better plumbing designs than what the cruise ship involved in the recent disaster had. Whatever replica is built, you'll most likely see a lot more lifesaving equipment aboard the TITANIC II. I would more likely be happy to ride the TITANIC II over the original. The same goes for the CHETZEMOKA II. She has better lifesaving equipment than the STEILACOOM II has. Yes, I did ride the ST2. But on the Keystone run when she had those three liferafts installed (which were questionably removed when she returned to Pierce County in 2011).
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Post by Freeland on May 4, 2012 17:54:16 GMT -8
Found this old Movie of when she was built. Found it under Old News Reels.
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Post by Neil on May 4, 2012 21:55:08 GMT -8
I hope this works out; I'd love to see the return of the grand old liners, and I think there might be a market for at least one. Surely there are enough wealthy folks who don't need a floating shopping mall, or every cabin with private balconies.
Can you imagine how much they could have charged if this was built in time for April 12th, to replicate the fatal voyage? They could almost have rivalled what Branson is expected to charge for his Virgin sub-space flights.
People used to cruising on today's mega-liners might get a shock at the scale of Titanic II, if it comes about. The Globe & Mail superimposed the profile of Titanic on Allure of The Seas, today's biggest passenger ship. I'd be overstating things to say it looked like a minnow in comparison, but it was dramatically smaller.
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Post by lmtengs on May 4, 2012 22:16:33 GMT -8
The Globe & Mail superimposed the profile of Titanic on Allure of The Seas, today's biggest passenger ship. I'd be overstating things to say it looked like a minnow in comparison, but it was dramatically smaller. Here's a similar superimposition, against the Oasis of the Seas, the Allure's sister: FROM HERE: malcolmoliver.wordpress.com/titanic-vs-oasis-of-the-seas/
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Post by Name Omitted on May 5, 2012 9:05:29 GMT -8
I hope this works out; I'd love to see the return of the grand old liners, and I think there might be a market for at least one. I think the QM2 is the closest we are going to get, unless there is a dramatic change in resource allocation (some sort of environmental tax on aircraft). The first I remember hearing about a re-created Titanic was when I was in high school in the early 90's. I can think of at least 3 versions that have come and gone since then, all for generally the same reason. Nostalgia has a value, and that value is somewhat less than the cost of a ship. Nostalgia is of limited utility when any recreation would be dramatically different anyhow. SOLAS aside, few people would pay for a steerage crossing on a holiday. For the sake of argument, however, let's assume that someone does build a replica of one of the great liners. Why Titanic? Let's rebuild the Queen Elisabeth.
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Post by lmtengs on May 5, 2012 9:21:25 GMT -8
For the sake of argument, however, let's assume that someone does build a replica of one of the great liners. Why Titanic? Let's rebuild the Queen Elisabeth. Why even rebuild? The SS United States is sitting at the ready on the East Coast, and she would be the perfect fit for a renovation.
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Post by Name Omitted on May 5, 2012 9:41:23 GMT -8
Why even rebuild? The SS United States is sitting at the ready on the East Coast, and she would be the perfect fit for a renovation. I used to dream of rebuilding her, and running her from the West Coast to Hawaii and back, a run for which there would be almost no possible competition (might as well get something positive out of the Jones Act). Then, NCL bought her with the intent of adding her to their American flagged fleet. At the end of the day, her running gear, as amazing as it is, can't match the economics of a modern hull. No matter what a re-creation of an earlier ship looks like above the water-line, it will likely be a modern hull below the water-line, possibly sharing the weird constanzi stern with the QM2. Aside from a re-positioning trip to New York, I am guessing the SS United States will never sail again.
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Post by Neil on May 5, 2012 11:07:05 GMT -8
I hope this works out; I'd love to see the return of the grand old liners, and I think there might be a market for at least one. I think the QM2 is the closest we are going to get, unless there is a dramatic change in resource allocation (some sort of environmental tax on aircraft). The first I remember hearing about a re-created Titanic was when I was in high school in the early 90's. I can think of at least 3 versions that have come and gone since then, all for generally the same reason. Nostalgia has a value, and that value is somewhat less than the cost of a ship. Nostalgia is of limited utility when any recreation would be dramatically different anyhow. SOLAS aside, few people would pay for a steerage crossing on a holiday. For the sake of argument, however, let's assume that someone does build a replica of one of the great liners. Why Titanic? Let's rebuild the Queen Elisabeth. For the sake of argument, however, let's assume that someone does build a replica of one of the great liners. Why Titanic? Let's rebuild the Queen Elisabeth. Why even rebuild? The SS United States is sitting at the ready on the East Coast, and she would be the perfect fit for a renovation. How many movies, books and songs have been written about the United States and the Queen Elizabeth? How many news articles and scholarly works analyzing their lasting impact on the public imagination? Not to mention travelling museum displays of artifacts and people willing to spend vast amounts of money unearthing stories. Titanic resonates with people to an extent far beyond any other passenger vessel in history. This project may not come to fruition, but if it does, it has a far better chance of being commercially viable than any other rebuild or recreation.
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Post by Name Omitted on May 6, 2012 9:59:27 GMT -8
Titanic resonates with people to an extent far beyond any other passenger vessel in history. This project may not come to fruition, but if it does, it has a far better chance of being commercially viable than any other rebuild or recreation. Titanic resonates for many reasons, some of which would be very difficult for the monied interests behind any such venture to control. Yes, she was grand, and yes, she has had untold stories told and re-told about her, and even songs sung. Some of those songs sung are sung by children in Bible camps that talk of God's hand smiting the ship for the hubris surrounding her. Stories are told of the class system that let the rich get off while the poor drowned (not empirically true, as I posted earlier, but still the stories that are told). Stories are told of a ship not 10 miles off that could have saved more passengers, but didn't. I grew up on stories of the heroic efforts of her crew, working class seamen, who organized the evacuation, of a band that played while the ship sank, of of clergy calmly performing last rights on the afterward. Above all, her stories are about how she sank. The pride of White Star, more than 2 years in the building, sank four days into her maiden voyage as the Master sailed her at full steam into an ice field. This is the dilemma that will be faced by any modern ship-owner. Aside from a morbid curiosity for her maiden voyage, will the Titanic II receive positive attention after she survives? Can they control a story that is so ingrained into so many levels of our society? For several different ventures, the answer was "probably not."
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Post by Freeland on Aug 22, 2012 18:12:08 GMT -8
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Post by Mill Bay on Aug 22, 2012 18:17:28 GMT -8
Another day, another theory... It's always nice how they over dramatize the story for any documentary video: "In just seconds, Titanic split wide open!" At least they were spot on with the correct deduction that the Titanic's hull plating buckled at the seams from the impact, not split. Interesting snippet. I wonder where the rest of it can be viewed.
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Post by Neil on Feb 26, 2013 13:39:54 GMT -8
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Post by WettCoast on Feb 26, 2013 15:32:31 GMT -8
Am I the only one that finds this just slightly ridiculous?
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Post by Mike C on Feb 26, 2013 15:49:15 GMT -8
Am I the only one that finds this just slightly ridiculous? It sounds to me like this gentleman has too much money to know what to do with, so instead of donating it to charity or doing something productive, he's decided to reproduce a ship at the bottom of the ocean. The logic is incredible:
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Feb 26, 2013 15:58:34 GMT -8
Am I the only one that finds this just slightly ridiculous? I don't, actually. There's been a lot of public interest and desire to see a fully functional, full-scale replica of Titanic sail the seas since the release of the movie Titanic in 1997. The idea itself has been floated for at least the last thirty years. According to numerous sources, Harland & Wolff, the builders of the original Titanic, contributed to the design of this one as well as funded a series of economic feasibility studies - which concluded that even in today's market it could be a financially feasible venture. I would like to see it because of my affiliation with the ship's history. I was a former member of the Titanic Historical Society for a number of years and was involved in several museum builds of Titanic models in the late 1990s, all following the movie's success. I think it'd be a great idea to give people a true sense of scale for just how large the ship was, as well as getting a true feel for what it was like to be aboard her.
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