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Post by Cascadian Transport on Dec 23, 2011 8:56:41 GMT -8
I know it's a time issue, but it always made me wonder whether or not one of those times they'd push the boat too far over to one side and capsize the bloody thing. Yeah, I do not think you need to worry about that. I ride the Rhododendron a lot between Point Defiance and Talequah, (all though sometimes I just do it to avoid the Klahowya) and it has never gone over more than three, maybe five degrees. So please, don't worry about them capsizing the thing.
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Post by zargoman on Dec 23, 2011 16:04:07 GMT -8
They should have fun with the already listed Chetz
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Post by Cascadian Transport on Dec 26, 2011 18:19:04 GMT -8
They should have fun with the already listed Chetz Yeah, although I really don't see the reason that WSF is not assigning the Kennewick at Point Defiance. Port Townsend has gotten two of the new ships! I know that the Sailish and Kennewick are better than the Chetzemoka at Port Townsend, but they need one right now. Keep Sailish at Port Townsend, and have her older sister Chetzemoka go into Standby. Us ferry nuts down south would like that.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 26, 2011 18:26:35 GMT -8
They should have fun with the already listed Chetz Yeah, although I really don't see the reason that WSF is not assigning the Kennewick at Point Defiance. Port Townsend has gotten two of the new ships! I know that the Sailish and Kennewick are better than the Chetzemoka at Port Townsend, but they need one right now. Keep Sailish at Port Townsend, and have her older sister Chetzemoka go into Standby. Us ferry nuts down south would like that. As far as I know from reading the various news articles, the point is to keep the 2 variable-pitch ships together. - that leaves the Chetzemoka as odd ship out, and so it's simplest to move Chetz to south Vashon permanently. Otherwise, are you proposing a twice-per-year shuffle just so that south Vashon can get a ship that's all of one year newer, for only part of the year? - I hope that the ferry users and communities aren't that petty.... ----------------------- ps: - the different prop system is similar to how different forum members have different photo hosts. That's why I (a google web-albums user) can't help you with your photobucket posting problem. So I'll let you team up with a photobucket user to help you solve your photo posting problem.
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Post by Cascadian Transport on Dec 26, 2011 18:37:31 GMT -8
Yeah, although I really don't see the reason that WSF is not assigning the Kennewick at Point Defiance. Port Townsend has gotten two of the new ships! I know that the Sailish and Kennewick are better than the Chetzemoka at Port Townsend, but they need one right now. Keep Sailish at Port Townsend, and have her older sister Chetzemoka go into Standby. Us ferry nuts down south would like that. As far as I know from reading the various news articles, the point is to keep the 2 variable-pitch ships together. - that leaves the Chetzemoka as odd ship out, and so it's simplest to move Chetz to south Vashon permanently. Otherwise, are you proposing a twice-per-year shuffle just so that south Vashon can get a ship that's all of one year newer, for only part of the year? - I hope that the ferry users and communities aren't that petty.... ----------------------- ps: - the different prop system is similar to how different forum members have different photo hosts. That's why I (a google web-albums user) can't help you with your photobucket posting problem. So I'll let you team up with a photobucket user to help you solve your photo posting problem. I was just referring from the time the Kennewick comes into service to the time Port Townsend goes to a two vessel schedule. Then Chetzemoka would be at Defiance permanently. It would result in less vessel shuffling now, but more later...
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jan 1, 2012 10:08:18 GMT -8
If I recall correctly someone said that the SE's had all had thier COIs revoked which might've complicated things like that. That might not be the case with Rhody. I'd imagine her's is good for a while as the Kennewick's delivery date was far from certain as recent as a year ago. The COI expires on 01/27/2012.
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Post by Cascadian Transport on Jan 6, 2012 17:12:39 GMT -8
I have fond memories about the Rhody. Oh my gosh. Unless I misread the Maintenance schedule, (Which I HOPE I did) The Rhododendron goes Monday. And I will not get the opportunity to get on her again, unless I misread the maintenance schedule. It is going to be a dark day when she goes.
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Post by FNS on Jan 6, 2012 17:29:55 GMT -8
I have fond memories about the Rhody. Oh my gosh. Unless I misread the Maintenance schedule, (Which I HOPE I did) The Rhododendron goes Monday. And I will not get the opportunity to get on her again, unless I misread the maintenance schedule. It is going to be a dark day when she goes. Perhaps that may be on hold for a bit. Her replacement CHETZEMOKA is on her way north to welcome the San Juan islanders aboard while a sick ferry gets a visit to a "doctor's office".
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Post by Cascadian Transport on Jan 6, 2012 18:00:59 GMT -8
Oh god that is gonna be BAD for the Islands. The "sick" vessel is not just a minor boat like the Evergreen State. It is their lead vessel, the Yakima! Wait, is Evergreen replacing Yak?! Oh god, one super in the Islands is NOT good
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Post by old_wsf_fan on Jan 6, 2012 19:33:00 GMT -8
I have fond memories about the Rhody. Oh my gosh. Unless I misread the Maintenance schedule, (Which I HOPE I did) The Rhododendron goes Monday. And I will not get the opportunity to get on her again, unless I misread the maintenance schedule. It is going to be a dark day when she goes. The schedule shows the last day of sailing for the Rhody is the 15th. Maybe that might be extended out depending on the Yakima's problems.
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Post by zargoman on Jan 7, 2012 9:57:10 GMT -8
What about getting Kitsap to Bremerton and Hyak or Kaleetan to Anacortes?
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 8, 2012 15:55:01 GMT -8
Oh god that is gonna be BAD for the Islands. The "sick" vessel is not just a minor boat like the Evergreen State. It is their lead vessel, the Yakima! Wait, is Evergreen replacing Yak?! Oh god, one super in the Islands is NOT good Drama, drama, drama. So far the weekend traffic has not been a problem. Commercial traffic tomorrow might be a different story.
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Post by Kahloke on Jan 8, 2012 17:14:36 GMT -8
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Jan 8, 2012 22:14:59 GMT -8
What about getting Kitsap to Bremerton and Hyak or Kaleetan to Anacortes? Surely you jest, I hope. We just got rid of the Kitsap at Bremerton and now you want it back? Good grief.
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Post by EGfleet on Jan 9, 2012 5:45:41 GMT -8
What about getting Kitsap to Bremerton and Hyak or Kaleetan to Anacortes? Surely you jest, I hope. We just got rid of the Kitsap at Bremerton and now you want it back? Good grief. You're getting the Kitsap back around the 23rd of January for the rest of winter schedule.
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Post by zargoman on Jan 14, 2012 17:38:50 GMT -8
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Post by rusty on Jan 14, 2012 17:48:31 GMT -8
When the State scraps the Rhody, and I buy it for $50,000, the first thing I'll do is remove those cages. (Note to self: must when lottery.)
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Post by lmtengs on Jan 14, 2012 23:07:04 GMT -8
When the State scraps the Rhody, and I buy it for $50,000, the first thing I'll do is remove those cages. (Note to self: must when lottery.) Note to Zargo: Sell house, buy old ferry with couple hundred thousand to spare.
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Post by zargoman on Jan 15, 2012 17:38:38 GMT -8
Ha! I wish. I barely have enough to live off now. And, I don't know if I have too much faith in the hull. I know it was built 20 years later than the SE's, but...
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 15, 2012 20:52:07 GMT -8
Wasn't the vast majority of the hull re-plated twenty years ago?
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Post by rusty on Jan 15, 2012 22:00:27 GMT -8
Barnacle! Don't you go drivin' the price of that boat up.
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Jan 15, 2012 22:17:15 GMT -8
Ha! I wish. I barely have enough to live off now. And, I don't know if I have too much faith in the hull. I know it was built 20 years later than the SE's, but... I have plenty of faith in the hull. Infact, I daresay the SE's could've gone on for another ten years. Crews over in Ireland are working on restoring the very last White Star Line vessel to exist - a ferry called the Nomadic. It was built in 1909 and ferried passengers from Cherbourg, France to a harborside anchor point for larger White Star vessels that couldn't dock. The most famous vessel Nomadic served - the famed R.M.S. Titanic. And its hull is completely original. No replating. And once it's restored, it'll be exactly as it was on April 10, 1912 when she ferried Titanic's second set of passengers and load of freight. And will be fully functional.
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 16, 2012 5:12:15 GMT -8
I have plenty of faith in the hull. Infact, I daresay the SE's could've gone on for another ten years. I think you might be a tad optimistic there. I don't think they could've gone on another ten years without some pretty massive overhauling--like what was started in 2007. Any ship can pretty much go on indefinitely, provided you aren't worried about the return on investment. And how much is it costing versus building a replacement? How thick was the hull to start?
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Post by Nick on Jan 16, 2012 8:29:48 GMT -8
I have plenty of faith in the hull. Infact, I daresay the SE's could've gone on for another ten years. Crews over in Ireland are working on restoring the very last White Star Line vessel to exist - a ferry called the Nomadic. It was built in 1909 and ferried passengers from Cherbourg, France to a harborside anchor point for larger White Star vessels that couldn't dock. The most famous vessel Nomadic served - the famed R.M.S. Titanic. And its hull is completely original. No replating. And once it's restored, it'll be exactly as it was on April 10, 1912 when she ferried Titanic's second set of passengers and load of freight. And will be fully functional. Put steel in salt water and you're going to get corrosion. The steel will react with the water to form rust, which is not structural and thereby the structure of the ship will be weakened because the hull will get thinner over time. This is simple chemistry. I have VERY high doubts that the Nomadic has not had any replating over it's lifetime, because honestly, if it hadn't, the hull would either not exist any more, or it would be so thin you could punch a hole with a hammer. Not only that, but it's riveted construction which has longevity issues on its own. Steel plates are replaced as a matter of regular maintenance on ships as young as 15-20 years old.
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Post by Kahloke on Jan 16, 2012 9:57:24 GMT -8
In light of Rhododendron's impending retirement, I thought I would post a scan of a print I have of the little ferry as represented by a local artist. Although, with the recent deployment of Chetzemoka in the islands due to Yakima's mechanical problem, Rhody has had a temporary stay of execution, so it seems Vashon Islanders get to enjoy her presence for just a little while longer. This coloured pencil print is by a local Tacoma artist known as Anne DeMille Flood. You can check out the rest of her work here: www.annedemilleflood.com
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