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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 10, 2009 9:08:33 GMT -8
Mr. Cat:
Do you think that the shipyard will "get it right" this time? And what do they have to do differently to get it right, regarding the deck surface?
Why do you think it wasn't done right, the first time? I don't understand the technicalities, so I'm interested in your viewpoint on the matter.
Thanks.
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Post by c15cat on Sept 10, 2009 11:12:57 GMT -8
Mr. Cat: Do you think that the shipyard will "get it right" this time? And what do they have to do differently to get it right, regarding the deck surface? Why do you think it wasn't done right, the first time? I don't understand the technicalities, so I'm interested in your viewpoint on the matter. Thanks. Its actually not anybodys fault the paint didn't stick it happens when you have a primer that doesn't allow the finish coat to stick. They paint they used may have said can be "Used over Red Oxide Primer" but not all "Red Oxide" primer is the same. A good example look at the older GM trucks ever seen one with the paint pealing off ? It is because it was the wrong primer or the primer didn't allow the finish coat to stick. The grey primer they used made the paint peal. I have a feeling the I-Sky had wheel abbradded steel plate which takes the millscale off (good) and then the steel is primed with red oxide primer. If you look at the pictures the primer is holding on good because the millscale was removed and you have primer stuck to virgin steel. Millscale is the bluish stuff on new steel its a byproduct when steel is made. Well its not bonded well to the steel which in turns pops off when the steel rusts. Once it pops off the paint goes with it. So steel can be wheel abbraded which removes the millscale and onces its primed it holds very well because steel is porous. In the I sky case what ever that grey paint is it didn't bond to the primer. So now that has to be all sandblasted off to white metal. Then a primer that is supposed to work with the paint will be applied. There is no easy fix the car deck needs sandblasting to get that old paint off. None of the white paint is pealing. I have spent a few years in the steel fabrication industry and know that when it comes to paint it can be fussy. As I said its nobodys fault its something that just happens. The ship yard sprayed the grey paint on. Covered good and looked like it bonded to the surface. The ship yard has to eat the cost of sandblasting and repaint probably looking at 1-2 days of sandblasting with 2 sandblasters. Spray on a primer let that dry over night. Spray on the new grey paint to how many mil thickness required. Then the car deck has to be re-striped (lanes). I would estimate its a 10-15,000 dollar job maybe more. What can you do its under " Warranty " |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 10, 2009 11:41:09 GMT -8
Wow, thanks for that detailed explanation. Much appreciated.
Deck painting sounds like a risky job, where you never know for sure if everything will work out ok.
And on a tight fixed-fee build contract, there's probably no room to build a cushion for possible warranty work.
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Post by fargowolf on Sept 10, 2009 15:41:49 GMT -8
[quote author=flugelhorn board=generaltalk thread=7182 post=108377 time=1252602513Why do you think it wasn't done right, the first time? I don't understand the technicalities, so I'm interested in your viewpoint on the matter.
Thanks.[/quote]
I have a feeling that it was a defective primer coat, as all I have to go with is the pics in the thread. I mentioned this in the original thread about the Island Sky.
Come to think of it, why did they paint the whole deck? All the other ships just have the lane markings on them.
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Post by lmtengs on Sept 10, 2009 16:10:51 GMT -8
[quote author=flugelhorn board=generaltalk thread=7182 post=108377 time=1252602513Why do you think it wasn't done right, the first time? I don't understand the technicalities, so I'm interested in your viewpoint on the matter. Thanks. I have a feeling that it was a defective primer coat, as all I have to go with is the pics in the thread. I mentioned this in the original thread about the Island Sky. Come to think of it, why did they paint the whole deck? All the other ships just have the lane markings on them. How do we know that they aren't doing just that? Maybe they're stripping it all, then just reprimering it, then lanelines, and no actual paint for on top... |
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Post by Nick on Sept 10, 2009 16:14:16 GMT -8
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the only ships that have unpainted decks are the main vessels with covered car decks. I know for sure that the Skeena, Mayne Queen, and Cumberland all have painted decks.
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Post by Mill Bay on Sept 10, 2009 17:06:18 GMT -8
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the only ships that have unpainted decks are the main vessels with covered car decks. I know for sure that the Skeena, Mayne Queen, and Cumberland all have painted decks. The friendly Coastals have painted decks as well, which are also wearing. ferriesbc.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=generaltalk&action=display&thread=4570The New West doens't. Not sure about the Spirits, but it seems to me the C's do not. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2009 19:38:07 GMT -8
My experience with open car decks is that if they are not coated with some kind of non-skid they fast become very slippery. ( water, oil, grease, and other spilled stuff ) Our owners went cheap one time and painted the car deck. In no time at all, the paint was peeling off and not only were passengers slipping, some of the vehicles were slipping too. Eventually, they did the right thing and stripped the car deck and put a proper non-skid coating down. ( Like the "aircraft carrier" stuff ) expensive, but from a safety point of view well worth it. We painted the outside passenger decks ourselves and put lots of non skid in the paint and had no problems with it. My guess would be that BCF got what they paid for.
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Post by northwesterner on Sept 11, 2009 10:31:29 GMT -8
At least they're doing it now, under warranty.
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Post by Mill Bay on Sept 12, 2009 10:22:04 GMT -8
At least they're doing it now, under warranty. Only because they have to because, well, it is under warranty. Not exactly like they really, really want to. And Washington marine is probably not too happy about having to do it, either. But then, you have to ask the question, why wasn't it done properly with the proper type of surface coating from the beginning? |
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Post by c15cat on Sept 12, 2009 10:53:55 GMT -8
Having the car deck painted is cleaner. Look at the Chilliwack and look at the rust dust cloud when vehicals drive on it.
I think the I Sky is getting more than some paint there is other work to be done to the ship.
The paint on the car deck peals off easy so the paint didn't bond to the primer very well.
Primer is supposed to seal the steel and provide enough porosity for the paint to stick too.
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Post by Curtis on Sept 12, 2009 15:23:53 GMT -8
Say...considering the name of the topic...has anyone bothered to go see the I-Sky down at Vancouver Shipyards?
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Post by Ferryman on Sept 20, 2009 21:49:41 GMT -8
Here's her freshly painted car deck as seen this morning.  Notice the two different tones of blue/grey.  The texture of the new paint is alot different this time. It's very much like the paint you see on the sundecks of any other Ferry that is mixed in with a bit of grit to add some extra grip. The paint before wasn't like that and was smoother textured, much like the deck paint on a Coastal. |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 18, 2009 21:34:02 GMT -8
Here are some photos of the MV Island Sky from this afternoon as it was coming back from its sea trial up to Saltery Bay.    |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 20, 2009 21:16:55 GMT -8
Here are some highlights from my trip on the Island Sky earlier today with Michael (a.k.a. NewFlyer).  But that Car Deck is unbearable to look at...   Take note of the height of the Wake in this photo...  On the Gallery Deck...  If it weren't for all those wild fires this photo might have been a bit more stunning to look at...nonetheless, it still is...  Finally for the first time that day, the sun broke through and managed to stay that way...for a little while.  And who says BC Ferries doesn't respect their heritage? You just got to look for the clues...  Environmentally friendly, my arse...  That's it for the I-Sky...  Random Pose Time!...(before Mikey runs down to beat the Cafeteria Rush)  |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 20, 2009 21:44:38 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 3, 2009 11:41:06 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 3, 2009 11:54:14 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 27, 2009 21:52:52 GMT -8
I hate to bring this up. But, there is new work that needs to be done before the MV ISLAND SKY goes into service.k53.pbase.com/o4/45/387545/1/99408894.cGEpQJjO.DSC_3286_resize_exposure.JPGIn this linked photo, we see an angled structure at each end of the central structure (most likely a housing over the stairways that provide access to the Sun Deck). BCF will need to square this up! I can see kids and teens using this as a climbing surface and a slide and getting hurt doing so. 
The MV ISLAND HOME has this. WSF's initial drawing of the new Keystone ferries have this, unless a recent email of mine to WSF changes courses and these angles get squared up. ========== (note: the photo in the above link doesn't work. use your imagination....) From December 26, 2009, showing the safety fence:  |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 29, 2009 7:26:31 GMT -8
My photos from a foggy December 26, 2009: ==================== Arriving at Saltery Bay in the morning: - Ship is taking a wide angle around the point and into the berth   Arriving at Earls Cove in the afternoon: - compare these to Dane's photos in this thread's first post. The mountains are there in the background, I just can't see them. - I did get to see her pushing water, though.  - a belch of smoke   Staircase from passenger lounge to the gallery vehicle deck  - Opposite end's staircase, viewed from the gallery vehicle deck  View from gallery vehicle deck, looking towards #1 end.  #1 (Saltery Bay) end, showing their load-distribution strategy. I guess they never know when a truck will arrive at the last minute and need some main deck space. Otherwise, you'd think that the inclined part of the ramps would be the last place you'd want to put traffic; only when the vessel is full.  The traction-surface of the gallery deck's fixed-ramp.  The end of the traction and the start of the regular grey paint. Trying out my camera's macro setting. Slice of Pizza... ;D  |
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Post by Neil on Dec 29, 2009 12:51:24 GMT -8
Mr Horn: From your photos it looks like the replacement of the botched deck coating job was successful. Is it completely intact?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 29, 2009 14:30:19 GMT -8
Mr Horn: From your photos it looks like the replacement of the botched deck coating job was successful. Is it completely intact? No signs of peeling that I could see. I wasn't specifically looking (I was more excited about the pebbles-coating on the ramps). Here's a picture that shows some marking on the deck; don't know if this is normal tire marks / weather marks, etc.  |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 15, 2010 21:55:46 GMT -8
Here is the current cover of Western Mariner magazine:  (Vlad Prato is the photographer. Photo is posted here with his permission.)  (Rob Morris photo and caption)  (Rob Morris photo and caption) |
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Post by Curtis on Feb 12, 2010 0:56:36 GMT -8
February 7th, 2010 Island Sky at Saltery Bay   As far as I know, this is new...  Torch Relay Flag.  Scenery through a Window  Approaching Earls Cove  Peeking down at the Crew Member handling the Anchor  Scenery through another Window  February 10th, 2010 She isn't the prettiest ferry to look at in the night...    ...but the Lit Up Car Deck Allows for great shots.   |
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Post by Curtis on Apr 10, 2010 1:15:32 GMT -8
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