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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2008 15:10:03 GMT -8
so when will she go in to service
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Post by DENelson83 on Jul 22, 2008 16:14:53 GMT -8
Probably some time around Thanksgiving.
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Post by WettCoast on Jul 22, 2008 16:43:27 GMT -8
I understand that they can not start training Swartz Bay crews until the peak summer season is over. That means after Labour Day to begin serious training. As such putting her in service in late October seems realistic. I assume that BCFS still intends her to be the #2 Swartz Bay based boat working route 1?
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Post by DENelson83 on Jul 22, 2008 17:13:11 GMT -8
Yep. SOVI and CC at SWB, SOBC and QNW at TSW.
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Post by Kahloke on Jul 22, 2008 18:07:05 GMT -8
Late October should work well then. I was just looking at the upcoming schedules, and Route 1 from 15-Oct to 17-Dec has the 2 Spooks with a 3rd vessel operating on Fridays, Sundays, and certain listed dates. Most likely that will be Coastal Celebration. They shouldn't need a 4th vessel at all after Oct 15, so that could benefit the reconstruction schedule of QoNW - they shouldn't need her at all, unless one of the Spooks is scheduled to be out of service.
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Post by CFG on Jul 22, 2008 18:27:03 GMT -8
I have a question for all you experts out there. I would think that the senario I have laid out below could and will eventually happen.
Lets say that it is approximately February 2009. The SOVI and CC are based out of SWB and the SOBC and QoNW in TSA. The TSA based SOBC has to go out of service for some unknown repair. Will the the older TSA based QoNW sail in its place while the new ship sits idle? or, will the brand new SWB based CC sail in its place on some form of modified schedule? Keep in mind that the crew of the CC lives in Victoria.
PS this may be a little off topic but.... not sure
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Post by Ferryman on Jul 22, 2008 21:38:43 GMT -8
Personally I would think the Queen of New Wesminster would run in place of the SOBC. Tsawwassen based crews will have been already familiar with using the New West for regular training days, and long weekend supplemental sailings. So it would only make sense to use her. Otherwise the CC and the New West would have to be switched around, and crews on both ends would have to be trained before hand - Not a logical way of doing things. Besides, having the New West run in place of the SOBC wouldn't be really any different than having the Vancouver replace her. SWB can always get the CC fired up to do extra sailings as well anyways.
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Post by PCL Driver on Jul 23, 2008 5:08:06 GMT -8
A friend that works on the Queen of Saanich told me that crew training on the CC starts on September 3rd.
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Post by DENelson83 on Jul 23, 2008 6:06:29 GMT -8
Besides, having the New West run in place of the SOBC wouldn't be really any different than having the Vancouver replace her. SWB can always get the CC fired up to do extra sailings as well anyways. And besides, I personally consider the QNW to be a V-class vessel, since she was stretched and lifted.
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Post by Dane on Jul 24, 2008 12:43:19 GMT -8
She should be in service ASAP as the #2 out of Departure bay this summer instead of sitting idle despite there being trained crew.... the only explanation I would find reasonable is that the crew for the #2 vessel doesn't have enough people for a Coastal.
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Post by DENelson83 on Jul 24, 2008 13:37:46 GMT -8
Don't forget that the CC has a Pacific Buffet onboard, which, as I take it, is only meant to be used on Swartz Bay-Tsawwassen.
I really think that BCF should have ordered four Super C's instead of just three.
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Post by Kahloke on Jul 24, 2008 13:59:16 GMT -8
I really think that BCF should have ordered four Super C's instead of just three. They sure should have! But then, I was saying the same thing back in 1997 when WSF only built 3 Jumbo Mark II's. Once again, 4 would have been better.
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Post by Neil on Jul 24, 2008 15:09:36 GMT -8
Don't forget that the CC has a Pacific Buffet onboard, which, as I take it, is only meant to be used on Swartz Bay-Tsawwassen. I really think that BCF should have ordered four Super C's instead of just three. And the money would have come from....? They have the resources to renew the fleet, not expand it. Traffic counts don't warrant more vessels. But perhaps you're thinking of replacing the 'New Westminster instead of upgrading it, in which case you might have an argument.
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Post by Dane on Jul 24, 2008 15:44:39 GMT -8
They can just close the buffet I'm sure; I am really curious what the reason is not to get her in service now. I hope it's not PR based.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 24, 2008 16:48:55 GMT -8
She should be in service ASAP as the #2 out of Departure bay this summer instead of sitting idle despite there being trained crew.... Why? There already is a #2 ship based at Departure Bay this summer. So is your argument based on the C-Celebration having a larger pax/vehicle capacity than the Cowichan? (vehicles only slightly).
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Post by shipyard on Jul 24, 2008 16:50:30 GMT -8
What advantage would it have over the Cowichan as #2 ship?
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Post by Dane on Jul 24, 2008 17:33:11 GMT -8
Why? There already is a #2 ship based at Departure Bay this summer. So is your argument based on the C-Celebration having a larger pax/vehicle capacity than the Cowichan? (vehicles only slightly). It's a generally better vessel, why use something old when you have something new just sitting there (and depretiating on the side)? I don't really see the logic is using a vessel with inferior ammenities, and that, hypothetically, is less efficient when you do not have too?
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Post by Dane on Jul 24, 2008 17:34:58 GMT -8
... and from another thread, a perfect example of why the CC would be logically used given the fact it could be available: Currently 1 sail waits either way on Route 2, 2 overheight waits out of Departure Bay though.
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Post by Neil on Jul 24, 2008 18:11:14 GMT -8
from the 'Voice of BC' program, as posted by Flugel Horn:
VAUGHN PALMER: If people are looking around this summer, you were saying before we went on that one of the three new C-class ships won't be in service this summer — because of crew training?
DAVID HAHN: We need a good two to two-and-a-half months to do crew training — to get through all the different ship's watches, everything that goes on. The Coastal Celebration, our last one, that'll serve Swartz Bay to Tsawwassen, has arrived in B.C. It'll probably be parked out at Departure Bay. I can imagine a Sunday long weekend somebody is going to say, "How can he have this brand-new ship? Why is it not taking me over to the other side, and what's the matter with you?" We have to be very diligent around the training. These are new ships; it takes almost six or nine months for us to get everybody fully briefed, so you have to spend a good, hearty two months or two-and-a-half months getting everybody prepped. We'll start that in September, and hopefully by the end of October I'll bring that last ship into service. Same thing with the Island Sky.
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Post by Ferryman on Jul 24, 2008 18:13:16 GMT -8
It seems like Route 2 has been the route of choice by most travellers. This is when I wish there was a 4 boat service on this route. I plan on going over to the Island for the BC Day long weekend, and staying in Ladysmith. But the easiest route of getting there with the least amount of driving is obviously using Route 2. But I'll actually probably end up taking Route 30 or Route 1, depending on how busy it is. I'll even likely not go home via Route 2 either, because after my last adventure with being stopped at the intersection of Stewart Avenue, and Highway 19A with the waits, I'm not even going to consider using that route unless I'm a walkon for the summer.
Before the summer started, I had originally heard that there was plans with having the Queen of Coquitlam, which is based out of Langdale at the moment, to run the triangle route. But it seems like the Cowichan was chosen to do that role for few times now at least.
But the only thing I've heard about the CC as of late, is that she was "stripped for parts", so to speak, once she arrived. This was because the CR needed a few things in order to keep running. I don't know the exact details on what was used, so perhaps someone else knows. But there could also be a crewing issue out of Departure Bay, for having enough crew to run both the CC and CR out of there.
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Post by Hardy on Jul 25, 2008 3:50:31 GMT -8
Don't forget that the CC has a Pacific Buffet onboard, which, as I take it, is only meant to be used on Swartz Bay-Tsawwassen. I certainly hope that the fact that she has a buffet aboard is not keeping her sitting idle, while Rte-2 has daily waits!! Not having enough trained crew is a valid reason, but just by being too lazy to close off a buffet? I'd better not find out this is the case!! I really think that BCF should have ordered four Super C's instead of just three. I am pretty sure that this is a given on this forum, as we are all armchair quarterbacks. At the very least, they should have purchased an OPTION on a 4th, as this would have locked a price (subject only to material increases) and also secured a build-spot. FSG is now booked up through the middle of "The End of the World As we Know It"....
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Post by Hardy on Jul 25, 2008 3:52:29 GMT -8
What advantage would it have over the Cowichan as #2 ship? I think perhaps the argument was to run a 4th boat, or that at the very least having the additional capacity of a second Coastal vs a "C" would ease the overloads. Perhaps then, that "other" spare "C" could be redeployed as an MD boat serving Rt-30!
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Post by Hardy on Jul 25, 2008 3:57:27 GMT -8
Lets say that it is approximately February 2009. The SOVI and CC are based out of SWB and the SOBC and QoNW in TSA. The TSA based SOBC has to go out of service for some unknown repair. Will the the older TSA based QoNW sail in its place while the new ship sits idle? or, will the brand new SWB based CC sail in its place on some form of modified schedule? Keep in mind that the crew of the CC lives in Victoria. PS this may be a little off topic but.... not sure Perfectly relevant, I would think. So, lets look at this then, running 2-boat service with the SOBC going out. Reposition SOVI to Tsa (while working out a sharing arrangement between the two "primary crews) and put the CC into the SOVI's slot out of SWB (crewing her perhaps with cross-trained personnel formerly of the SOVI?). It makes for a bit more of a personnel situation making sure that the senior crew keep enough hours, but it leaves the two vessels with the highest capacity running the route. I personally think that in the off season, if a spook goes out, it would be rather silly to be sailing the QoNW while the CC sits idle.
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Post by Coastal Canuck on Jul 27, 2008 13:27:04 GMT -8
The Travel center has the Queen of New Westminster will be in for the Spirit of British Columbia from Jan. 7th-Jan 21st.
also the extra sailings on Route 1 on Fridays and Sundays have n/a listed as the vessel
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Post by Kahloke on Jul 27, 2008 14:25:30 GMT -8
I would think the extra Friday and Sunday sailings will be CC since those sailings start at the Swartz Bay side.
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