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Post by Low Light Mike on May 24, 2009 9:05:48 GMT -8
There was a passenger announcement on the Chilly about pax not being allowed on the car-deck during the voyage. There were also signs at the entrances to the stairs (the deck-4 level entrances to the stairs going down to the car-deck) that passenger access was prohibited during the voyage.
I asked the Steward if this was just a special Chilliwack rule during the replacement time, and she said that it was actually standard for any ship.
But it seemed more explicit on the Chilliwack yesterday, that passengers weren't allowed.
Curtis: what was your impression of this?
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Post by Curtis on May 24, 2009 10:24:15 GMT -8
There was a passenger announcement on the Chilly about pax not being allowed on the car-deck during the voyage. There were also signs at the entrances to the stairs (the deck-4 level entrances to the stairs going down to the car-deck) that passenger access was prohibited during the voyage. I asked the Steward if this was just a special Chilliwack rule during the replacement time, and she said that it was actually standard for any ship. But it seemed more explicit on the Chilliwack yesterday, that passengers weren't allowed. Curtis: what was your impression of this? As far as I know, she's the only vessel that this rule is fully enforced on. (Both on the Saltery Bay and the Comox Route) If it's standard for every ship, it sure isn't being enforced though. I figure it has something to do with her enclosed car deck mainly because of her bow doors. I don't remember how long the rule has been in place, but something tells me it was in the last few years. This rule isn't enforced on the Discovery Coast Passage right?
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Post by Low Light Mike on May 24, 2009 10:39:01 GMT -8
There was a passenger announcement on the Chilly about pax not being allowed on the car-deck during the voyage. There were also signs at the entrances to the stairs (the deck-4 level entrances to the stairs going down to the car-deck) that passenger access was prohibited during the voyage. I asked the Steward if this was just a special Chilliwack rule during the replacement time, and she said that it was actually standard for any ship. But it seemed more explicit on the Chilliwack yesterday, that passengers weren't allowed. Curtis: what was your impression of this? As far as I know, she's the only vessel that this rule is fully enforced on. (Both on the Saltery Bay and the Comox Route) If it's standard for every ship, it sure isn't being enforced though. I figure it has something to do with her enclosed car deck mainly because of her bow doors. I don't remember how long the rule has been in place, but something tells me it was in the last few years. This rule isn't enforced on the Discovery Coast Passage right? I thought it was enforced on Route 40 Discovery. I can't remember the announcements for sure, but I know that Karl & I didn't wander around the car-deck, except for when we were docked somewhere.
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Post by Nick on May 24, 2009 11:45:21 GMT -8
Usually the rule is strictly enforced on the northern runs. I tried to sneak down on the NorAd 2 years ago, and I was stopped before I could get down the stairs.
I know the rule is in place on all the major ships, but it's never been enforced. I think the reasoning is that it's another deck (often 2) for the crew to clear and enforce crowd control in an emergency.
Why they are enforcing it on the Chilliwack, I don't know. I have a feeling it has something to do with the closed in, sealed nature of the Chilliwack's car deck.
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Post by Quatchi on May 24, 2009 12:46:36 GMT -8
Yes, the car deck is closed on route 40. Also I believe that TC doesn't allow passenger on the car decks of the larger vessels while underway. I just think its not a big deal to them and BCF doesn't enforce it. I remember David Hahn saying that in an interview when the CI had her mattress fire.
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Post by Mill Bay on May 24, 2009 17:47:57 GMT -8
Yes, the car deck is closed on route 40. Also I believe that TC doesn't allow passenger on the car decks of the larger vessels while underway. I just think its not a big deal to them and BCF doesn't enforce it. I remember David Hahn saying that in an interview when the CI had her mattress fire. Cheers, What I know is that on the one group circlepac we did, they were not enforcing the rule on the Saltery Bay run, as I spent a good few minutes on the cardeck as we were leaving the berth, until the sound of artillery fire and visions of water pouring in drove me to the upper deck. I also noticed numerous other passengers down on the cardeck that day, including some people staying inside their cars on the platform deck and even bringing food on trays down from the cafeteria down to their cars.
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Post by Nickfro on May 25, 2009 14:57:36 GMT -8
Here is something that probably doesn't happen with the Burnaby on the Comox-Powell River route. . . Link to service notice HERE.I have noticed the great tide fluctuations this past weekend, as it has been about 0.5ft around noon, then up to about 15ft about 7 hours later. The currents under First Narrows and out in front of West Van have been blatently noticable, even from the Upper Levels Highway. The Chilliwack must have had some difficulties at Little River during the mid day low tide period, or at least some loading and unloading complications.
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Post by Low Light Mike on May 25, 2009 15:23:04 GMT -8
The Chilliwack must have had some difficulties at Little River during the mid day low tide period, or at least some loading and unloading complications. I have a family member travelling on that route tomorrow, and I advised her to skip the noon sailing, and take an evening sailing instead. It's a 0.3 low tide Tuesday during the early afternoon sailing from Westview to Comox. Scrape city.... It is slow unloading / loading when cars are going very slow to see if they will scrape or not. And then there's trucks getting their tops stuck on the top-side of the bow-door.
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Post by Mike C on May 25, 2009 17:17:56 GMT -8
I can see this developing into a problem, since the Queen of Chilliwack will need to be the refit replacement for the Burnaby in the long-term.
There are even reports of the Burnaby scraping the floor upon arrival during a low tide... perhaps BC Ferries should get in there and start dredging.
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Post by Low Light Mike on May 25, 2009 18:02:41 GMT -8
My wife was visiting Texada Island today with her mom. Their return to Westview on the NIP was delayed as the Chilliwack was still in her berth (delayed by the tide problem), and so the NIP had to float-around for an extra 20 minutes before the berth at Westview was available to use to let the Texadians off of the NIP.
Apparently my mother-in-law "flipped the bird" to the Q-Chilliwack, once Chilly finally vacated the berth.
Such is the impact of low tides and the Chilliwack. Those 2 powerful forces combining to make a dear lady perform such a gesture.
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Post by Scott on May 25, 2009 18:15:31 GMT -8
Haha, any photo of that to submit for next month's header??
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Post by Quatchi on May 25, 2009 18:28:45 GMT -8
They cant just go in and dredge out the berth. They would most likely undermine the foundations that the loading ramps are on. I think ultimately the berth would have to be replaced in the future anyways and when they do they will most likely replace it with a floating one that they can extend farther into the ocean. This would give a better ramp angle at low tide for both the 'Burnaby and the 'Chilliwack, also it could make the berth considerably deeper so they can avoid this issue of low tides causing the Chilliwack to fall behind schedule in the future.
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Post by WettCoast on May 25, 2009 20:04:09 GMT -8
Both the Q North & Q Rupert used to have occasional problems at the old (Alaska) berth in Prince Rupert due to the area's 20+ foot tidal range. I remember seeing large vehicles dragging bumpers and so on when loading/unloading on very low tides.
BCF's current floating berth has a much longer ramp and I don't think there are any problems today, even on extreme tides.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 6, 2009 6:53:59 GMT -8
News story from Powell River Peak. About the Q Burnaby refit (delay because of port-engine problem) and an item about Island Sky crew shortage. ===========
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Post by Mill Bay on Jun 6, 2009 12:42:33 GMT -8
Uh-oh! Not problems with her reliable old Mirrlees. Heaven forbid.
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Post by Curtis on Jun 6, 2009 13:11:42 GMT -8
The Burnaby is working fine again! According to SiiTech she's just departed from her old stomping grounds at Horseshoe Bay and is currently passing the Queen of Oak Bay. Hopefully her next stop is Comox.
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Post by Nickfro on Jun 6, 2009 17:08:29 GMT -8
The Powell River webcam is currently not working on my computer. Too bad, because it looks like a flurry of activity is happening there with the Chilliwack docking and the Burnaby just arriving there from refit. The NIP will also show up in a little while too.
Question: why is the Burnaby stopping in at Powell River if she sleeps in Comox?
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Post by FNS on Jun 6, 2009 17:32:43 GMT -8
The Powell River webcam is currently not working on my computer. Too bad, because it looks like a flurry of activity is happening there with the Chilliwack docking and the Burnaby just arriving there from refit. The NIP will also show up in a little while too. Question: why is the Burnaby stopping in at Powell River if she sleeps in Comox? It's working on my desktop. QUEEN OF CHILLIWACK in the dock. QUEEN OF BURNABY arriving. QUEEN OF CHILLIWACK departs. LOADING TRAFFIC. QUEEN OF BURNABY departs Powell River. Vessel change complete. NORTH ISLAND PRINCESS arrives from Texada. It's business as usual for the NORTH ISLAND PRINCESS. END
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Post by FNS on Jun 6, 2009 18:14:53 GMT -8
This shows what's happening. The CHILLIWACK's destination sign hasn't changed, though.
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Post by FNS on Jun 6, 2009 20:04:16 GMT -8
The QUEEN OF CHILLIWACK is back at Saltery Bay, for now.
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Post by FNS on Jun 6, 2009 21:22:06 GMT -8
She's on her way to Bear Cove (Port Hardy) now. Good catch, PK! Looks like I have a long night before me to catch any webcam captures of her passing Powell River and Campbell River. Just looking at the CR cam brings me happy memories of my recent trip to Vancouver Island to see the NORTHERN EXPEDITION and some of the best of our Forum friends in person.
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Post by FNS on Jun 6, 2009 23:54:06 GMT -8
The webcams at Campbell River are blind (not working). The course of the Chilliwack will take her offshore from Powell River as she begins her northwest crosssing of the Strait of Georgia on a line of sight to Cape Mudge at Campbell River. But watch the Norwegian Sun. Karl is aboard. The N/S is approaching Seymour Narrows from the north. She is due in at 0700 tomorrow morning (I'm going out to Prospect Point to film her sail-in, since my project work is - thankfully!! - done until Monday. Who says that a cam in Campbell River isn't working at night? One essential camera is! I have seen six cruise ships pass through this area by Bloedel. Three northbound and three southbound. The sequence is seen below in the tracker: The below pictures are of the ship PK is interested in seeing: THE CAMPBELL RIVER CAM IS OBSERVING PST (NOT PDT)! The first two are captured from the DIAMOND PRINCESS. The others are from the Campbell River cam by Bloedel. The last picture is a reference of a view in clear daylight. Where the NORWEGIAN SUN was at the time of the above captures. WITH PK'S REQUESTED WATCH FOR THE NORWEGIAN SUN OUT OF THE WAY FOR THE TIME BEING, I NOW COMMENCE MY ATTENTION ON TRACKING THE QUEEN OF CHILLIWACK'S TRANSIT TO AND INTO SEYMOUR NARROWS UP TO THE CAMERA CAPTURE AREA BY BLOEDEL. 06-07-2009 0102PDT 06-07-2009 0200PDT 06-07-2009 0230PDT 06-07-2009 0300PDT 06-07-2009 0330PDT 06-07-2009 0400PDT
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Post by FNS on Jun 7, 2009 3:55:58 GMT -8
The QUEEN OF CHILLIWACK has passed through the camera area by Bloedel. She's not as bright as a cruise ship. But, I was able to pick her out on this lens. Here she is: THIS CAM IS OBSERVING PST (NOT PDT)! THIS CAM IS OBSERVING PST (NOT PDT)! As you can see, you could barely see a bit of daylight arriving on the scene. Below is after her pass-by: THIS CAM IS OBSERVING PST (NOT PDT)! She will now continue north in daylight. Last capture of a BC ferry through this area for awhile.
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Post by FNS on Jun 7, 2009 4:07:17 GMT -8
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Post by Shane on Jun 10, 2009 8:15:04 GMT -8
Hey Ferrynutseattle, what program do you use to get hose maps? Can you download it at all?
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