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Post by lmtengs on Oct 24, 2010 13:59:27 GMT -8
No, this is a real vessel. BC Ferries was paid $20,000 to rename the North Island Princess for one year when this song came out: SERIOUSLY?! *adds song to iTunes* Disco music FTW. ;D The funny thing is, I did the same thing when I found it
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Post by fargowolf on Oct 24, 2010 15:51:58 GMT -8
SERIOUSLY?! *adds song to iTunes* Disco music FTW. ;D The funny thing is, I did the same thing when I found it Which? The reaction, downloading Disco, or both?
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 24, 2010 17:02:44 GMT -8
The funny thing is, I did the same thing when I found it Which? The reaction, downloading Disco, or both? Well, I had forgotten about that song until I saw the name 'Burnbaby' here, so I searched 'Burn Baby Burn - Disco Inferno' on Youtube, and downloaded it, then posted it here for the fun of it. So in short, for downloading Disco.
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Post by Neil on Oct 24, 2010 18:53:19 GMT -8
It's interesting, if not always enlightening, to have people who you might think know something of which they speak, give you entirely different assessments about a vessel's condition.
Last year when I visited Fraser Shipyard to photograph the Tenaka during her refit, a worker told me that she was in great shape for a boat that age, and that they were readying her for many more years of service.
Today, someone with a different perspective told me that she was "rotten", that she'd been "condemned", and had to be out of service by 2012. Apparently, Tachek, which should be covering winter service on the Hornby run, will again be filling in at Cortes while Tenaka goes in for still more work. The source rolled his eyes at the prospect of another winter with Kahloke on the open waters of Lambert Channel, and predicted numerous service disruptions if La Nina gives us our expected rough winter. Meanwhile, Kahloke was rocking and rolling like a tub toy today in seas that were just moderately rough.
Time will tell about Tenaka. Since BC Ferries has no plans to build or buy another open water capable 'minor' vessel, one hopes, for the residents of Hornby and Cortes, that the shipyard worker's view was the better informed.
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 24, 2010 19:01:57 GMT -8
Would it be remotely possible to bring down the Nimpkish to work in place of the Kahloke, Neil? Do they need more vehicle capacity? Might Nimpkish not even fit the berths at Hornby/Denman?
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Post by Nick on Oct 24, 2010 19:12:13 GMT -8
Nimpkish = 16 cars, Kahloke = 26.
I'm pretty sure they'd miss the capacity...
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Post by Neil on Oct 24, 2010 19:25:35 GMT -8
Nimpkish = 16 cars, Kahloke = 26. I'm pretty sure they'd miss the capacity... ... not to mention the small matter of Nimpkish being busy on the central coast all winter, as the schedule shows.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 29, 2010 13:09:23 GMT -8
Here is the document with the answers to all of your speculative rumour-inspired and what-if? questions: www.bcferrycommission.com/PT3_Document_with_Duty_Updates_-Clean.pdfPages 54-58 - capital projects between now and end of term-2 (3/31/2012) - ie. Chilliwack upgrade is here... Pages 60-61 - capital plan for term-3. Included is the vessel replacement chart.
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Post by fargowolf on Oct 29, 2010 15:50:02 GMT -8
Here is the document with the answers to all of your speculative rumour-inspired and what-if? questions It also has info on the proposed cable ferry to Denman Island, which I have posted there (Proposed Cable Ferry To Denman Island thread)
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Post by Curtis on Oct 29, 2010 20:30:07 GMT -8
So with the retirement information given. -5 People (including Myself) guessed the Mill Bay would be first. 1 Person guessed Tenaka getting 2nd. and the nearly dozen NIP voters are 3rd.
I may not have said it on the forum but I so called the Mill Bay being replaced by the Klitsa when I voted. I figured it was imminent, but all I was wondering was when?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 31, 2010 21:53:19 GMT -8
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 31, 2010 21:59:43 GMT -8
Do we think they are going to be double-ended, or single-ended?
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Oct 31, 2010 22:37:43 GMT -8
Here is the document with the answers to all of your speculative rumour-inspired and what-if? questions: www.bcferrycommission.com/PT3_Document_with_Duty_Updates_-Clean.pdfPages 54-58 - capital projects between now and end of term-2 (3/31/2012) - ie. Chilliwack upgrade is here... Pages 60-61 - capital plan for term-3. Included is the vessel replacement chart. Here is your answer, otherwise, we know just about as much.
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Post by lmtengs on Nov 1, 2010 5:56:39 GMT -8
Here is the document with the answers to all of your speculative rumour-inspired and what-if? questions: www.bcferrycommission.com/PT3_Document_with_Duty_Updates_-Clean.pdfPages 54-58 - capital projects between now and end of term-2 (3/31/2012) - ie. Chilliwack upgrade is here... Pages 60-61 - capital plan for term-3. Included is the vessel replacement chart. Here is your answer, otherwise, we know just about as much. Okay, but that tells me nothing about what the 'Burnaby and Nanny's replacement will look like...
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Post by Northern Exploration on Nov 1, 2010 7:47:21 GMT -8
Here is your answer, otherwise, we know just about as much. Okay, but that tells me nothing about what the 'Burnaby and Nanny's replacement will look like... Or who will build them.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 1, 2010 10:00:57 GMT -8
Okay, but that tells me nothing about what the 'Burnaby and Nanny's replacement will look like... And the point is that no one else here likely knows any more than you do. So ask away, but I doubt that you'll find anything other than speculation. .....but this forum is a great place to speculate, so start-in with discussing what those 2 new ships "should be" like.
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Post by stingray on Nov 1, 2010 11:50:12 GMT -8
What I would build replace the vessels being retired within the next ten years. 1, A slightly larger version of the Island Sky for the Swartz Bay-Gulf Island route, that would free up the Cumberland to take over on the Swartz Bay-Fulford route 4, freeing the Skeena to take over on the Campbell Rivet-Quadra route , freeing the Powell River Queen (with a few modifications) take over on the Powell River-Texada route, allowing the NIP to be retired. 2, Three slightly larger version of Washington State's 144 class ferries (Let's say they can carry 180 vehicles and 700 to 900 passengers.). One will replace the Nanaimo on the Tsawwassen-Gulf Island route, the other the Burnaby on the Comox-Powell River route and last to act as the second vessel on Horseshoe Bay-Langdale route from late March to the start of January, when it will act as a relieve vessel for its two sister ships. 3, A slightly larger versions of the Steilacoom II (Let's say it can carry 60 vehicles and have few extra passenger amenities, such as newsstand/snack-bar.) with a deep water hull to Powell River Queen on the Powell River-Texada route. 4, Three slightly larger versions of the Steilacoom II (Let's say it can carry 60 vehicles and have few extra passenger amenities, such as newsstand/snack-bar.), this time with flat water hulls. One to replace the Maine on theSwartz Bay-Gulf Island route, the other to replace Howe Sound Queen on the Crofton-Vesuvius Bay route and the last replace the Bowen Queen, and will act a supplementary vessel on Tsawwassen-Gulf Island route in the summer months, than a relieve vessel for it two sister and the vessel at Texada for the rest of the year. 5, Copy of the Alaska class ferry with a bow door to replace the Chilliwack on Port Hardy-Discovery Coast in the summer months, then take over from the Northern Adventure on the Prince Rupert - Skidegate route for the rest of the year. String Ray
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Post by Nickfro on Nov 1, 2010 12:57:51 GMT -8
1, A slightly larger version of the Island Sky for the Swartz Bay-Gulf Island route, that would free up the Cumberland to take over on the Swartz Bay-Fulford route 4, freeing the Skeena to take over on the Campbell River-Quadra route , freeing the Powell River Queen (with a few modifications) take over on the Powell River-Texada route, allowing the NIP to be retired. I don't see any current ferry in the fleet that can adequately replace the NIP on a year-round basis. The Powell River Class ferries would have too many cancelled sailing during the winter months. I would have to think that the NIP's replacement needs to be a single-ender and carry at least 60 cars.
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Post by gordon on Nov 1, 2010 13:43:09 GMT -8
If The Chilliwack was replaced with a ship that could do the P.R. Skidegate Route wou;d this not leave the Nor Ad as a Summer ship on that route only.
Note. Is B.C ferries still intending to use the Nor Ex as the primary Northern Vessel once the new Klemtu tremina is open in the spring even she is a larger vessel & more capacity is not needed?
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Post by stingray on Nov 1, 2010 13:52:33 GMT -8
I don't see any current ferry in the fleet that can adequately replace the NIP on a year-round basis. The Powell River Class ferries would have too many cancelled sailing during the winter months. I would have to think that the NIP's replacement needs to be a single-ender and carry at least 60 cars. What I would do with the Powell River Queen for the Texada run is too her give what they call a "false bow" placed at home end. I was taking a to captain there once when Bowen was replacing the NIP, he told me that this false bow would make any flat water hulled vessel act much like a open water hulled vessel in heavy seas. The only loss is that in such a case she have operate as single ender in these heavy seas and would lose 1/3 of her speed, but, still be operating. As for the PRQ replacement, opening water, double ended, open deck ferries operate around the world in heavy seas with very little difficulty besides keeping to their schedule and I don't why BC Ferries would build one off ship, when they can have it the share above the waterline superstructure with its three flat water hulled sister vessels. String Ray.
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Post by Dane on Nov 1, 2010 17:53:28 GMT -8
Note. Is B.C ferries still intending to use the Nor Ex as the primary Northern Vessel once the new Klemtu tremina is open in the spring even she is a larger vessel & more capacity is not needed? Yes
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Post by Curtis on Nov 1, 2010 19:32:45 GMT -8
Here's my view on what BCF should replace the vessels without replacements with. NIP: A New Texada Landmark...or in this Case a Seamark. A 60 Car 350 Passenger Vessel. Either an Open Deck, Raised Bow Single Ender similar to the NIP or a Fully Enclosed Flat Decked Double Ender. Sadly, the Catamaran Hull will not live on. (Possible Names: MV Texada, MV Van Anda, MV Harwood) Queen of Burnaby: A 180 Car, 800 Passenger Vessel, Without Platform Decks. If Single Ended, she will look like a modernized Queen of Burnaby. If enclosed, a modernized fully enclosed version of a WSF Jumbo or Jumbo Mk II. (Possible Names: MV Strait Crosser, MV Courtenay, MV Savary, MV Lund) Queen of Nanaimo: Same Design as the Burnaby, but with Platform or Gallery Decks depending on design. This bringing her Capacity to 220 Cars, and 1000 Passengers. (Possible Names: MV Strait Connector, MV Island Hopper, MV Saltspring, MV Ganges) Queen of Chilliwack/Nimpkish (Northern Discovery):If Year-Round: A Small NorEx vessel. 70 Cars and 450 Passengers. If Seasonal: A Sleeker, Double Ended Version of the Chilliwack. She will have deployable Platform Ramps for her Southern Assignments bringing her capacity to 100 Cars. This may make a Two Vessel Powell River-Texada-Comox Triangle Route Possible when the Burnaby's replacement is unavailable replacing the Nanaimo's replacement. Plus, with a 70 or 100 car capacity, she would be able to replace vessels on other southern routes. Not just Routes 7 and 17. Powell River & Howe Sound Queen: Two Skeena Queen Style Vessels, 100 Cars and 450 Passengers. (Possible Names: MV Crofton, MV Campbell River, MV Quadra, MV Columbia Queen or MV Fraser Queen ) Bowen and Mayne Queen: Two Island Sky Style Vessels, 125 Cars and 462 Passengers. (Possible Names: MV Island Sun, MV Island Wind, MV Island Star, MV Island Rain MV Island Cloud) One of these 4 would replace the Capilano out of HSB-Bowen making the Cap, the new "Bowen Queen."
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 1, 2010 20:16:52 GMT -8
Note. Is B.C ferries still intending to use the Nor Ex as the primary Northern Vessel once the new Klemtu tremina is open in the spring even she is a larger vessel & more capacity is not needed? As Dane said above, the answer is 'yes'. The NorEx is, I understand, both cheaper to operate and better able to handle winter weather conditions than its Greek-built running mate. Will this be a long term thing? I expect that this will be the case until BCF builds or acquires a new QPR-sized vessel that will be: - reasonably economical to run
- a good winter seas boat
- about the right size for most off-season traffic conditions
This boat might be named the Northern Discovery.
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Post by lmtengs on Nov 1, 2010 20:56:34 GMT -8
I'll chip in with my thoughts in vessel replacement... The Powell River Class and the Howe Sound Queen could be replaced by improved versions of the Island Sky. Potential names: Island Sun, Island Star, Island Sea, Island Breeze, etc... For when the K-Class need to be replaced, they could be replaced with slightly smaller versions of the Quinsam/Quinitsa sisters. Names: Passage Queen, Inlet Queen, Gulf Queen, etc. Replacement for the Mill Bay: In the short term, it's the Klitsa, but for the long term, I think they could special-design a boat of small capacity for that run, similar to the Kuper, but holding something around 20-25 cars. Name: Malahat Express? MV The Islands Most Beautiful Shortcut? For the N-Class, just design a 2nd Generation of what we've already got, maybe holding a few more cars so they can handle larger traffic-loads. Names: Northern Navigator, Northern Excursion, Northern Enterprise, etc... For the QoAlberni, when the time comes, build a Super-C without a deck 5, and put the wheelhouses on top instead of at the ends, and a shorter lounge deck than what is currently designed on the Super-Cs. Names: Coastal Jubilation? For the rest of the C's, just design 2nd Gen super C's. Names: Coastal Invigoration, Coastal Glorification, Coastal Infatuation ;D For the Queen of Burnaby, I think we could pretty much take the Alberni, hack off the top car deck, and there we are. If they want a single ender, then just build an Alberni with one bow instead of two, and of course no upper car deck. Coastal Enlightenment The Queen of Chilliwack will be the Northern Discovery. Likely a smaller version of the Northern Expedition. The Queen of Nanaimo could be replaced with 2 vessels, both a little larger than the Island Sky, with car deck doors, and a passenger deck about a little larger than that of the Queen of Alberni. Names: Canadian Challenger, Canadian Conqueror. When it comes time for the QoNW to be retired, she could be replaced by yet another Super-C type vessel. Names: Coastal Conquistador, Coastal Victor, etc... For the T-Class ships, just design second-generations of them, a bit longer, so as to hold more cars, and a tad more pax. space with no saddle decks, but instead two full passenger decks, one above the other, or one long one over the whole ship. Include snack-bar. Names: You make up your own, mine are just getting more and more ridiculous... NOTE: I'm changing my vote for first-retired to MV Mill Bay. When she's retired, I'll change it once again to the ship which seems will be retired soonest after.
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Nov 2, 2010 3:00:02 GMT -8
I don't see any current ferry in the fleet that can adequately replace the NIP on a year-round basis. The Powell River Class ferries would have too many cancelled sailing during the winter months. I would have to think that the NIP's replacement needs to be a single-ender and carry at least 60 cars. What I would do with the Powell River Queen for the Texada run is too her give what they call a "false bow" placed at home end. I was taking a to captain there once when Bowen was replacing the NIP, he told me that this false bow would make any flat water hulled vessel act much like a open water hulled vessel in heavy seas. The only loss is that in such a case she have operate as single ender in these heavy seas and would lose 1/3 of her speed, but, still be operating. As for the PRQ replacement, opening water, double ended, open deck ferries operate around the world in heavy seas with very little difficulty besides keeping to their schedule and I don't why BC Ferries would build one off ship, when they can have it the share above the waterline superstructure with its three flat water hulled sister vessels. String Ray. The running rumour, as I posted over in the Performance Term #3 Submission thread, is that Route 18 will be merged with Route 17 to form a triangle service route using 2 ships, one based in Westview and the other in Little River. Whether these will be existing ships or BCFS will build new was not speculated on, but the general belief is Texada will not see a ship built specifically to serve the route and whatever is placed onto the run will need to be able to handle the Route 17 requirements albeit with two ships, likely smaller than presently running, on the run.
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