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Post by compdude787 on Oct 28, 2019 23:14:06 GMT -8
Wow, the new ferries just can't come soon enough, can they?
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Oct 29, 2019 9:17:21 GMT -8
Wow, the new ferries just can't come soon enough, can they? It is to my knowledge per WSF contact that repairs have been scheduled for early February through early March, so Spring 2020 is their best bet for service return, which is not bad, necessarily, since the Elwha is not exactly needed throughout the winter, but being down a vessel isn't easy for sure.
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Post by Kahloke on Oct 29, 2019 12:22:26 GMT -8
Since we're talking about Elwha right now, I did capture a shot of her earlier this month hanging out in Anacortes
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Post by paulvanb on Oct 29, 2019 13:09:20 GMT -8
Since we're talking about Elwha right now, I did capture a shot of her earlier this month hanging out in Anacortes Gold stripes look nice!
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MV Elwha
Oct 29, 2019 16:26:33 GMT -8
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Oct 29, 2019 16:26:33 GMT -8
How much does the steel replacement costs? Will Washington State ever considered a vessel to experience to maintain her?
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Post by Kahloke on Oct 29, 2019 16:37:47 GMT -8
How much does the steel replacement costs? Will Washington State ever considered a vessel to experience to maintain her? Last figure we heard was $10 million, but that's just what they can see. Once they open up the structure, it is quite possible, and likely, that the cost will go up from there. Right now, the repair costs are not budgeted, so Elwha sits until her fate gets decided. Not sure exactly what you are asking in your second question. Can you clarify?
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Oct 29, 2019 16:46:08 GMT -8
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Oct 29, 2019 16:46:08 GMT -8
How much does the steel replacement costs? Will Washington State ever considered a vessel to experience to maintain her? Last figure we heard was $10 million, but that's just what they can see. Once they open up the structure, it is quite possible, and likely, that the cost will go up from there. Right now, the repair costs are not budgeted, so Elwha sits until her fate gets decided. Not sure exactly what you are asking in your second question. Can you clarify? Will the State of Washington ever considered a vessel to costly to maintain her?
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Oct 29, 2019 16:50:48 GMT -8
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Post by rwbsparks on Oct 29, 2019 16:50:48 GMT -8
How much does the steel replacement costs? Will Washington State ever considered a vessel to experience to maintain her? Last figure we heard was $10 million, but that's just what they can see. Once they open up the structure, it is quite possible, and likely, that the cost will go up from there. Right now, the repair costs are not budgeted, so Elwha sits until her fate gets decided. Not sure exactly what you are asking in your second question. Can you clarify? Amazing how we can put 20 million into a vessel one year and by the next year need to put in at least 10 million more. All the while dinking around when it comes to procurement of new vessels.
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Oct 29, 2019 16:53:47 GMT -8
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Oct 29, 2019 16:53:47 GMT -8
Last figure we heard was $10 million, but that's just what they can see. Once they open up the structure, it is quite possible, and likely, that the cost will go up from there. Right now, the repair costs are not budgeted, so Elwha sits until her fate gets decided. Not sure exactly what you are asking in your second question. Can you clarify? Amazing how we can put 20 million into a vessel one year and by the next year need to put in at least 10 million more. All the while dinking around when it comes to procurement of new vessels. Maybe WSF should do a cost benefit to over 50 years vessels to see if it’s better to fix her or put towards a new vessel.
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Post by Kahloke on Oct 29, 2019 16:55:18 GMT -8
Last figure we heard was $10 million, but that's just what they can see. Once they open up the structure, it is quite possible, and likely, that the cost will go up from there. Right now, the repair costs are not budgeted, so Elwha sits until her fate gets decided. Not sure exactly what you are asking in your second question. Can you clarify? Will the State of Washington ever considered a vessel to costly to maintain her? Oh, ok. Got it now. Well, Hyak was getting too costly to maintain, so it was retired this year. I guess we need to wait and see what they decide for Elwha.
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Oct 29, 2019 17:00:56 GMT -8
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Oct 29, 2019 17:00:56 GMT -8
Will the State of Washington ever considered a vessel to costly to maintain her? Oh, ok. Got it now. Well, Hyak was getting too costly to maintain, so it was retired this year. I guess we need to wait and see what they decide for Elwha. Would that cause to many issues because two vessels got retired without replace them?
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Post by Kahloke on Oct 29, 2019 17:20:53 GMT -8
Oh, ok. Got it now. Well, Hyak was getting too costly to maintain, so it was retired this year. I guess we need to wait and see what they decide for Elwha. Would that cause to many issues because two vessels got retired without replace them? Technically, Suquamish replaced Hyak (more or less), so that was at least planned, but yes, if Elwha were to also be retired, and that is a very big IF, it would certainly cause ripple effects down the line. The next new Olympic isn't projected to be completed until 2022, probably not in service until 2023, so without Elwha, we would be down a vessel, with most definite impacts to Sidney and the San Juans. Now, having said that, nothing has been decided yet. They will either choose to fix Elwha or not. Retirement is only one of the possibilities.
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Oct 29, 2019 17:25:45 GMT -8
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Oct 29, 2019 17:25:45 GMT -8
Would that cause to many issues because two vessels got retired without replace them? Technically, Suquamish replaced Hyak (more or less), so that was at least planned, but yes, if Elwha were to also be retired, and that is a very big IF, it would certainly cause ripple effects down the line. The next new Olympic isn't projected to be completed until 2022, probably not in service until 2023, so without Elwha, we would be down a vessel, with most definite impacts to Sidney and the San Juans. Now, having said that, it's not a given that Elwha is going to be retired, just a possible outcome. Say if cost prohibitive to fix her. Couldn’t they quicken the build of the next Olympic Class and build her to SOLAS standards?
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Oct 29, 2019 22:26:34 GMT -8
Will the State of Washington ever considered a vessel to costly to maintain her? Oh, ok. Got it now. Well, Hyak was getting too costly to maintain, so it was retired this year. I guess we need to wait and see what they decide for Elwha. The drydock and repairs for the Elwha have been scheduled for early February through mid-March, and per WSF yesterday, Spring 2020 (schedule) is their current best estimate. But it IS getting fixed, that's on the schedule (it is drydock work that is scheduled)
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Post by EGfleet on Oct 30, 2019 5:33:22 GMT -8
Oh, ok. Got it now. Well, Hyak was getting too costly to maintain, so it was retired this year. I guess we need to wait and see what they decide for Elwha. The drydock and repairs for the Elwha have been scheduled for early February through mid-March, and per WSF yesterday, Spring 2020 (schedule) is their current best estimate. But it IS getting fixed, that's on the schedule (it is drydock work that is scheduled) Just because it is scheduled doesn't mean it is going to happen.
I've seen many yard periods for vessels canceled--some at the last minute--over the years to take "it's scheduled to go into to drydock" to mean "it's set and stone and it's going to happen."
And if I-976 passes, all bets are off.
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Nov 6, 2019 11:03:47 GMT -8
So, an unfortunate situation has arisen with respect to the Elwha following the poor decision of the people to pass the 'I-976' measure in Washington State last night. As it stands, lots of transportation systems will lose money in future budgets, and ongoing funds will be cut further, meaning that the days of service for the Elwha are undoubtedly through, the $10 million price tag is unlikely to see funding, and future service of the vessel is almost certainly not going to happen. She will be missed for sure.
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 8, 2019 7:26:17 GMT -8
So, an unfortunate situation has arisen with respect to the Elwha following the poor decision of the people to pass the 'I-976' measure in Washington State last night. As it stands, lots of transportation systems will lose money in future budgets, and ongoing funds will be cut further, meaning that the days of service for the Elwha are undoubtedly through, the $10 million price tag is unlikely to see funding, and future service of the vessel is almost certainly not going to happen. She will be missed for sure. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. One scenario that rolled through my head this morning was that the legislature might actually consider funding the repairs because it pushes the need for a replacement off for a few years so they don't have to deal with it. Not likely, but still. Of course, the price tag is also the price tag before the first piece of steel is removed. There's always the threat of finding 'Uh-oh' once they open up the boat. As for missing it, well... matter of personal preference. She would be missed in terms of capacity, but I miss the mighty Hyak a lot more than I ever will the Elwha.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 8, 2019 7:39:06 GMT -8
As for missing it, well... matter of personal preference. She would be missed in terms of capacity, but I miss the mighty Hyak a lot more than I ever will the Elwha.So....you're not going to miss the placement of the elevator on Elwha, and the effect it has on stability?
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Nov 8, 2019 8:19:28 GMT -8
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Nov 8, 2019 8:19:28 GMT -8
As for missing it, well... matter of personal preference. She would be missed in terms of capacity, but I miss the mighty Hyak a lot more than I ever will the Elwha.So....you're not going to miss the placement of the elevator on Elwha, and the effect it has on stability? Definitely agree here. There's more history to the Elwha for me than there ever was in the Hyak. Definitely going to be a much more sentimental loss. No contest.
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Post by Kahloke on Nov 8, 2019 13:38:39 GMT -8
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. One scenario that rolled through my head this morning was that the legislature might actually consider funding the repairs because it pushes the need for a replacement off for a few years so they don't have to deal with it. Not likely, but still. Of course, the price tag is also the price tag before the first piece of steel is removed. There's always the threat of finding 'Uh-oh' once they open up the boat. As for missing it, well... matter of personal preference. She would be missed in terms of capacity, but I miss the mighty Hyak a lot more than I ever will the Elwha.I, too, have been musing the possibilities. It does seem like the ax is going to fall on Elwha, though like you said, not necessarily. I'm really wondering what it will do to the Sidney route. Here are a few possible outcomes my little brain has thought of with the likely demise of Elwha: 1. The Sidney route remains as is, and Chelan soldiers on as the lone SOLAS vessel until the next new-build joins the fleet in 2023(?), which would meet the SOLAS certification requirements, and would be a direct replacement for Elwha. In such a scenario, the fall and spring schedules should be re-written so Chelan does not carry the burden of being the primary Shaw-Orcas vessel in the afternoons and evenings. There is less flexibility for juggling vessels around the system with this option, and like we are about to experience for the next few weeks, there may be more temporary shut-downs of the Sidney service when Chelan isn't available. 2. Eliminate Sidney completely. It's been on the chopping block before. Will this initiative put it there again? What happens after that becomes the crux of the problem or solution. If the legislature were able to fund a 4th boat in the islands during the fall and spring to maintain service, even if it were part-time like on the winter schedule, I could see that working. On the other hand, if losing Sidney means eliminating the 4th vessel in the islands, that would be catastrophic. Dropping Sidney would free up Chelan for domestic duty year-round, and would make it easier to juggle ferries around the system. If done right, I think the Anacortes-San Juans route could possibly benefit not having Sidney in the mix, but there are a lot of variables in that. 3. Cut back Sidney service. With only one vessel that is SOLAS certified, perhaps Sidney should only be run during the summer schedule. I could see extending the summer schedule into the shoulder seasons, and having Chelan do its two runs a day to Sidney, much like the Port Townsend 2-vessel extended season. Summer schedule for the islands would essentially start mid May and extend into mid October, thereabouts. Spring and fall would have to get new schedules that don't include Sidney, but this would be a less severe solution that completely eliminating it. The biggest problem there is a lack of reserve vessels, at least for the next few years. Where Sidney is concerned, I think we will likely see one of these options play out, or maybe another one I haven't thought of, or considered. As far as Elwha is concerned, I think decommissioning her is the right thing to do - sad, but right.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Nov 8, 2019 21:19:28 GMT -8
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. One scenario that rolled through my head this morning was that the legislature might actually consider funding the repairs because it pushes the need for a replacement off for a few years so they don't have to deal with it. Not likely, but still. Of course, the price tag is also the price tag before the first piece of steel is removed. There's always the threat of finding 'Uh-oh' once they open up the boat. As for missing it, well... matter of personal preference. She would be missed in terms of capacity, but I miss the mighty Hyak a lot more than I ever will the Elwha.I, too, have been musing the possibilities. It does seem like the ax is going to fall on Elwha, though like you said, not necessarily. I'm really wondering what it will do to the Sidney route. Here are a few possible outcomes my little brain has thought of with the likely demise of Elwha. As far as Elwha is concerned, I think decommissioning her is the right thing to do - sad, but right. Personally, I think the State should wait to see what lawsuits from King County and Seattle against I976 do it going into law. I personally think that best option, even if laws stops I976 taking effect, would probably would retired the Elwha and fast track the next Olympic Class converted to SOLAS Olympic Class.
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Nov 8, 2019 23:49:11 GMT -8
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Nov 8, 2019 23:49:11 GMT -8
I, too, have been musing the possibilities. It does seem like the ax is going to fall on Elwha, though like you said, not necessarily. I'm really wondering what it will do to the Sidney route. Here are a few possible outcomes my little brain has thought of with the likely demise of Elwha. As far as Elwha is concerned, I think decommissioning her is the right thing to do - sad, but right. Personally, I think the State should wait to see what lawsuits from King County and Seattle against I976 do it going into law. I personally think that best option, even if laws stops I976 taking effect, would probably would retired the Elwha and fast track the next Olympic Class converted to SOLAS Olympic Class. The next two Olympic class ferries will be built to non SOLAS standards per the contract. That's not changing regardless of what happens with the Elwha.
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 9, 2019 13:30:47 GMT -8
So....you're not going to miss the placement of the elevator on Elwha, and the effect it has on stability? Definitely agree here. There's more history to the Elwha for me than there ever was in the Hyak. Definitely going to be a much more sentimental loss. No contest. Read my post again. I'd have much rather kept the Hyak.
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 9, 2019 13:33:09 GMT -8
As for missing it, well... matter of personal preference. She would be missed in terms of capacity, but I miss the mighty Hyak a lot more than I ever will the Elwha.So....you're not going to miss the placement of the elevator on Elwha, and the effect it has on stability? The only thing I'll miss on the Elwha is the engine room crews. They're a good bunch playing a bad hand.
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Nov 9, 2019 17:56:46 GMT -8
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Nov 9, 2019 17:56:46 GMT -8
Personally, I think the State should wait to see what lawsuits from King County and Seattle against I976 do it going into law. I personally think that best option, even if laws stops I976 taking effect, would probably would retired the Elwha and fast track the next Olympic Class converted to SOLAS Olympic Class. The next two Olympic class ferries will be built to non SOLAS standards per the contract. That's not changing regardless of what happens with the Elwha. Who says the state could do contract modification to build a vessel with SOLAS already to go.
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