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Post by Kahloke on Dec 15, 2021 6:24:05 GMT -8
Sounds like the new hybrid Olympic Class is going to be named Wishkah. That's unfortunate. 1. the name: it's not another 'S' name, but now we're going to have a "Stinking Water" ferry. Did they seriously not do the research when coming up with these names? 2. the timing: the original timeline on the long range plan had at least 2 new vessels in service by 2025, and now the program is delayed yet again. Maybe COVID is partially to blame - I don't know - but at a time when the system desperately needs new boats, 2025 seems like a long time to wait. I sincerely hope they get some momentum going with this next newbuild series and can start cranking them out every 12 months or so. |
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jun 13, 2022 15:17:51 GMT -8
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Post by wanderlust90 on Jun 15, 2022 12:04:15 GMT -8
Big ouch - WSF needed more new-build vessels yesterday, and now we're looking at a few more years. What's the move from here? I'm all for competition but it seems like Vigor is the main, most qualified player in the region. Maybe we'll see our first out of state ferries since Hiyu/Supers? A WSF vessel transiting the Panama Canal would be quite the sight! |
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Dec 24, 2022 23:06:43 GMT -8
Will Suquamish sister get high-end emission control systems installed on them?
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Post by SS San Mateo on Oct 10, 2023 9:44:23 GMT -8
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Post by Kahloke on Oct 11, 2023 5:09:42 GMT -8
I'm hoping whichever shipyard they choose can build these vessels quickly, not at the expense of quality, mind you. But, late 2027 as a start-service date for the next newbuild is a long way out when we have boats that are one major problem away from being retired. Others have said 2027 is optimistic, too, that it will likely push. |
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 4, 2023 10:03:12 GMT -8
I'm hoping whichever shipyard they choose can build these vessels quickly, not at the expense of quality, mind you. But, late 2027 as a start-service date for the next newbuild is a long way out when we have boats that are one major problem away from being retired. Others have said 2027 is optimistic, too, that it will likely push. There's a saying... "There are good jobs, fast jobs, and cheap jobs. The most you'll get will be two out of three. "Good, fast jobs aren't cheap; "Good, cheap jobs aren't fast; "And fast, cheap jobs aren't good." But yes, it's definitely hang-on-and-hope time. Best case scenario is that a multi-yard group will build multiple vessels simultaneously. |
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Post by EGfleet on Dec 7, 2023 17:15:30 GMT -8
Some interesting new figures in the RIF for the new Olympics--most notable is they're being extended 47':
WSF contracted with a naval architecture firm, Elliott Bay Design Group, to refine the functional design that has been in development over the past two years and attain USCG approval. These refinements will significantly improve vessel performance and reduce lifecycle costs. Most notable is the addition of a forty-seven-foot (47’) midbody extension to improve the vessel general arrangements and reduce powering requirements. WSF has also selected ABB, Inc. to
serve as the Propulsion Single Source Vendor (PSSV) to support functional design, equipment selection and procurement, system integration and oversight. In the coming weeks, WSF will issue a Single Source Request For Proposal (RFP) for the PSSV Contract. The PSSV RFP will be posted on the WSF Contracts website. The vessel characteristics and performance targets are outlined in the section below.
Vessel Characteristics:
• Double-ended vehicle and passenger ferry for at least 144 autos and 1500 passengers.
• Steel Construction
• Hybrid battery-diesel electric propulsion with automated shoreside charging system.
• Fixed shaft line and fixed pitch propellers.
• L.O.A. – 407’- 3”
• Breadth – 83’- 2”
• Draft, Subdivision - 18” 0”
• Displacement - 4850 LTSW
• Transit speed - 16 Kt (Battery Only)
• Charge Time – 20 minutes, including connection and disconnection time.
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Post by Kahloke on Dec 7, 2023 19:29:55 GMT -8
Vessel Characteristics: • Double-ended vehicle and passenger ferry for at least 144 autos and 1500 passengers. • Steel Construction • Hybrid battery-diesel electric propulsion with automated shoreside charging system. • Fixed shaft line and fixed pitch propellers. • L.O.A. – 407’- 3” • Breadth – 83’- 2” • Draft, Subdivision - 18” 0” • Displacement - 4850 LTSW • Transit speed - 16 Kt (Battery Only) • Charge Time – 20 minutes, including connection and disconnection time. A 47' lengthening while maintaining the same 83'-2" breadth as the Flight 1 Olympics will add quite a bit to the capacity. If we figure on a +/- 20' aeq standard for cars, they should be able to accommodate 22 more vehicles, so that would put vehicle capacity at 166 - slightly more than the 1967 vehicle capacity numbers for the Supers. I imagine the passenger number will increase, too. I always thought the original Olympics were/are a bit stubby and would look more proportional if a bit longer. Nice to know they're going to do that with the Flight 2 Olympics. |
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Dec 7, 2023 22:04:55 GMT -8
I wonder if these vessels are built outside of protect waters of Salish or Puget Sound where these vessels need to be delivered to Victoria in British Columbia because are these vessel will need a delivery by heavy lift vessel or barge but I don’t think these vessels aren’t flagged under America. I am kinda shocked that BC Ferries feels comfortable sending the Island Class from Europe to British Columbia under their own power but Washington State Ferries isn’t comfortable sending these vessels by themselves.
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Post by Kahloke on Dec 8, 2023 7:23:49 GMT -8
this week's Weekly Update from WSF shows an early rendering of what the Flight-2 Olympics may look like. The usual disclaimers apply here, but this initial concept shows a single passenger level with the bridges directly above - no sun deck as on the current Olympics. This would make the new boats more like the Issaquah's and Evergreens, which also only have one passenger deck. I do like the sun deck on the Olympics, although it's pretty rare when that deck is open, unless the vessel is on the Bremerton run. wsdot.wa.gov/travel/washington-state-ferries/about-us/weekly-update |
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Post by Cascadian Transport on Dec 8, 2023 7:44:26 GMT -8
this week's Weekly Update from WSF shows an early rendering of what the Flight-2 Olympics may look like. The usual disclaimers apply here, but this initial concept shows a single passenger level with the bridges directly above - no sun deck as on the current Olympics. This would make the new boats more like the Issaquah's and Evergreens, which also only have one passenger deck. I do like the sun deck on the Olympics, although it's pretty rare when that deck is open, unless the vessel is on the Bremerton run. wsdot.wa.gov/travel/washington-state-ferries/about-us/weekly-updateI don't think that the rendering necessarily implies no sun deck- it certainly implies passengers not being allowed to the very ends of Deck 5, but there is a considerable amount of space between the bridges that could potentially be made publicly accessible. I will concede, however, that WSF's current stance on sun deck access is not reason for encouragement in that regard... |
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Post by lavalamp on Dec 8, 2023 11:24:50 GMT -8
Sun deck access on the Olympics (and the Supers in the offseason) requires more crew, which WSF is obviously short on. Sun deck access also gives the Olympics their full 1,500 passenger capacity; it is 50% when the extra crew is not present and the sundeck is closed. So it's not unreasonable that WSF keeps the sundeck closed when they don't need the passenger capacity. I believe they've added the necessary crew to Suquamish while she's on the Bainbridge run.
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Post by Kahloke on Dec 11, 2023 19:19:28 GMT -8
I created a separate thread for the next generation Olympic Class vessels because it looks like they are going to be quite different than the first 4 Olympics built in the previous decade (2014-2018). I moved some of the conversations regarding these new boats into this thread.
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Post by chokai on Dec 12, 2023 9:00:20 GMT -8
I wonder if these vessels are built outside of protect waters of Salish or Puget Sound where these vessels need to be delivered to Victoria in British Columbia because are these vessel will need a delivery by heavy lift vessel or barge but I don’t think these vessels aren’t flagged under America. I am kinda shocked that BC Ferries feels comfortable sending the Island Class from Europe to British Columbia under their own power but Washington State Ferries isn’t comfortable sending these vessels by themselves. The supers if I recall steamed up the coast from San Diego when they were built. The major driver maybe the time of year the boat is finished and where and how long they expect to wait relative to required delivery date by the state. These days with modern forecasting and services like PredictWind it is very easy to wait for the weather window and avoid heavy seas. It can also give inexperienced pleasure boating people a false sense of confidence, but we aren't dealing with that here. As to the length issue, I wonder if it is more about getting more speed for less power than anything else by lengthening the waterline length of the boat. The existing Olympics are not the speediest vessels. |
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Post by Barnacle on Dec 27, 2023 12:44:41 GMT -8
I wonder if these vessels are built outside of protect waters of Salish or Puget Sound where these vessels need to be delivered to Victoria in British Columbia because are these vessel will need a delivery by heavy lift vessel or barge but I don’t think these vessels aren’t flagged under America. I am kinda shocked that BC Ferries feels comfortable sending the Island Class from Europe to British Columbia under their own power but Washington State Ferries isn’t comfortable sending these vessels by themselves. The supers if I recall steamed up the coast from San Diego when they were built. The major driver maybe the time of year the boat is finished and where and how long they expect to wait relative to required delivery date by the state. These days with modern forecasting and services like PredictWind it is very easy to wait for the weather window and avoid heavy seas. It can also give inexperienced pleasure boating people a false sense of confidence, but we aren't dealing with that here. As to the length issue, I wonder if it is more about getting more speed for less power than anything else by lengthening the waterline length of the boat. The existing Olympics are not the speediest vessels. I suspect the lengthening is more about capacity than anything... any hydrodyamic benefits are likely to be considered gravy. And they're no slower than the Supers (dear departed Hyak notwithstanding). |
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