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Post by Political Incorrectness on Aug 27, 2006 22:04:23 GMT -8
I'm not, this has to be the biggest issue that is hidden to the general public but is very visible to most who care to look into the pros and cons. This is going to be rough for ferry fans of BCF and maybe rough for people if routes get contracted out. Running the buisness as a for profit and not a public transit is a complete mistake due to the fact it is not meant to run like an airport. Whoever elected David Hahn into position or someone in the ferry comission or head office deserves some expired milk. Really, if you run a public transit system for profit and don't even realize it, you either are not intrested, don't give a ****, or on political crack and looking back to King Krack's era. Something needs to be done, we cannot just sit around and let this ferry system go to ruins cause at some point I am guessing the government is going to be stepping in once it falls.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Aug 27, 2006 22:12:51 GMT -8
You satisified about how BCF is ran?
All your base are belong to us
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Post by Low Light Mike on Aug 27, 2006 22:19:10 GMT -8
Seriously now, I suggest that the only solution to the problem that you've outlined is a change in the BC Provincial Gov't, because the issues you've outlined as so fundamental to the new corporate structure of the ferry system......so only a change in Gov't would likely get the ball rolling for the changes that you are wanting.
Under the existing legal structures, your desired changes won't happen, because of the inherent philosophies in the current structures.
ps: as I've said once in the past, the word "profit" can be misleading in this ferry-discussion........because there's little profit to be made by anyone, aside from the major routes (which would never be contracted out, in my opinion).
Besides, it's not that they would make a profit, but rather they (a contractor) would be interested in limiting losses......but even that seems illogical, because why would a private contractor take on a money-losing route?
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Post by hergfest on Aug 28, 2006 0:56:12 GMT -8
Like HMCS Nanaimo said, none of the money losing routes would be contracted out because people can't make money on them. BCF is trying to get rid of the Powell River/Comox route, but no one will lose money on a route. I don't see anyone taking over any BC Ferries routes unless you see a big change on the northern routes.
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Post by dualcitizen on Aug 28, 2006 6:04:45 GMT -8
I guess the question is Dan, what would you propose as an alternative? Are things perfect now?! No. But personally I've seen a lot more positives than negatives since they went semi-private.
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Post by Neil on Aug 28, 2006 8:43:07 GMT -8
Dan, in posing the question, you didn't really give any specifics as to what your concerns are.
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Post by Queen of Nanaimo Teen on Aug 28, 2006 8:53:09 GMT -8
But if the Government was still running bc ferries, they would be in it for the public interest more than profit. If the Gvt was still in power, they probably wouldn't shut down the Comox- Powell River Route. And even though the government had a huge disaster with the fastcats, the same thing could happen with the super C Class. Or andy new ferries bc ferries builds. Something bad is prone to happen while David Hahn is president of bc ferries, whether it be minor or disastrous.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Aug 28, 2006 9:11:59 GMT -8
This thread has been locked for the following reasons:
- There appears to be a lack of a reasoned arguement
- The "rhetoric/hyperbole-to reasons/specifics ratio" is out of balance.
- The use of emotional comments distract the reader from the ability to grasp the point of the message.
- There is promise of this thread becoming a pile-on of further rhetoric.
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Dan, if this issue interests you, I invite you to "Try again". I suggest you pay attention to the grammar in the "subject" line of your post, and use far less emotion. Lay out your argument as you would for a term-paper with an introduction, some supporting points, and end with an invitiation for others to comment. Plan your words to take into consideration that other people may not share your opinion, so make it open and welcoming to other viewpoints.
ps: Did I mention the problem of the grammar in the subject line?
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