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Post by Shane on Mar 14, 2006 7:13:57 GMT -8
Every time I see pictures of the Queen of Nanaimo, Tsawassen and Cumberland while they are serving the Southern Gulf Islands, I noticed that they always have a bit of a list.
I've also read about the Queen of the Islands always having a list especially on the Southern Gulf Islands routes.
So why do they list alot?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Mar 14, 2006 7:58:35 GMT -8
my theory:
because of multi-destinations on each route, they need to divide the car-deck by destination, and the # of cars going to each destination isn't always equal.
So the Galiano lane is 1/2 full, and the Mayne lane is full.
So the ferry lists to the Mayne Layne side.
reminds me of the rap artist "Sir List A Lot".
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Post by Shane on Mar 14, 2006 8:21:03 GMT -8
Ah, so thats how they do it.
Do all the car unload at each terminal or does only a certain lane unload?
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Post by Retrovision on Mar 14, 2006 8:22:58 GMT -8
because of multi-destinations on each route, they need to divide the car-deck by destination, and the # of cars going to each destination isn't always equal. That's what I've always thought, too. It almost seems as if they gave up spending as much time trying to get it perfect after their experience with the QotI. |
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Post by Retrovision on Mar 14, 2006 8:24:49 GMT -8
Ah, so thats how they do it. Do all the car unload at each terminal or does only a certain lane unload? Think about it this way: If you're getting out at Mayne, and there's a stop at Galiano first, you aren't going to want to go downstairs, move your car, and go back upstairs at Galiano. |
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Post by Shane on Mar 14, 2006 8:30:22 GMT -8
So do they load it a certain way where cars going to Mayne are in one lane and cars going to Galiano are in another, ect?
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Post by Quinsam on Mar 14, 2006 10:06:00 GMT -8
Yes, I think so, and last time I saw the Mayne Queen she was only 1/4 full!
I've been wondering why is there 2 vessels for 4 islands going from SB?
Why not one vessel per island?
Like this:
1. SB-Saturna (John Atlantic Burr)
2. SB-Mayne Island (Mayne Queen)
3. SB-Galiano Island (Queen of Cumberland)
4. SB-Pender Island (Kullet & Klatawa(When they arrive in BCF's fleet))
5. SB-Fulford Harbour (Skeena Queen)
6. Tsa-Long Harbour (Queen of Nanaimo)
7. Tsa-Galiano (Queen of Chilliwack)
8. Tsa-Mayne Island (Queen of Tsawwassen)
9. Tsa-Pender Island (Queen of Burnaby(When the PR-Comox route is down))
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Post by Shane on Mar 14, 2006 10:24:53 GMT -8
Aren't they building like 22 new vessels in the next 15 years?
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Post by Quinsam on Mar 14, 2006 10:27:30 GMT -8
Yes, but that is to replace older vessels, not to just add to the fleet to make 59 vessels.
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Post by Retrovision on Mar 14, 2006 10:58:28 GMT -8
Yes, I think so, and last time I saw the Mayne Queen she was only 1/4 full! I've been wondering why is there 2 vessels for 4 islands going from SB? Why not one vessel per island? Like this: 1. SB-Saturna (John Atlantic Burr) 2. SB-Mayne Island (Mayne Queen) 3. SB-Galiano Island (Queen of Cumberland) 4. SB-Pender Island (Kullet & Klatawa(When they arrive in BCF's fleet)) 5. SB-Fulford Harbour (Skeena Queen) 6. Tsa-Long Harbour (Queen of Nanaimo) 7. Tsa-Galiano (Queen of Chilliwack) 8. Tsa-Mayne Island (Queen of Tsawwassen) 9. Tsa-Pender Island (Queen of Burnaby(When the PR-Comox route is down)) I'm not totally in the loop when it comes to reasons for why they do things the way they do in the SGI, but I know that not all the islands have the same demand. with 2 vessels out of SB, they are able to have a lot more flexibility, for example here's the typical morning runs (mon-fri): MayneQ Lv SB @ 0510 stopping at Saturna, Mayne, Pender Ar SB @ 0825; QoCumberland Lv SB @ 0530 stopping at Galiano, Mayne Ar SB @ 0810; QoCumberland Lv SB @ 0835 Round Trip to Pender Ar SB @ 1005; And then both vessels repeat their first trips of the day, the last one of them, the Cumberland, arriving at SB around 1pm. It's also worth pointing out that route 9 (TSA - SGI) never stops at Saturna, just as route 5 (SB - SGI) never stops at Long Harbour, SS Island (except for one trip a week during the summer). |
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Post by Quinsam on Mar 14, 2006 11:25:15 GMT -8
Ok, but with 1 vessel per island there can be more sailings, rather than 1 sailing every 1 or 2 hours.
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Post by Neil on Mar 14, 2006 11:46:55 GMT -8
Umm, QT, the last time you saw the Mayne Queen it was only one quarter full, and you"re wondering why they don't have ten ferries serving the Gulf Islands?
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Post by Quinsam on Mar 14, 2006 11:52:19 GMT -8
it was only quarter full because there were some cars going to one island and others going to other islands.
The Queen of Cumberland departed 5 minutes later.
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Post by Dane on Mar 14, 2006 12:59:29 GMT -8
1 vessel per route would cost so much it could actually lead BC Ferries to finacial ruin in less than a year. Think about it....
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Post by Retrovision on Mar 14, 2006 12:59:52 GMT -8
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Post by Scott on Mar 14, 2006 22:43:59 GMT -8
Another thing to consider... if you had one ferry going to each Gulf Island, then you wouldn't be able to connect between islands. I know most people on Mayne wouldn't be going to Pender, but if you want to connect to the SGI - Tsawwassen ferry, then it's convenient. It also attracts tourists. They can see multiple islands without having to go back to Victoria. Also, you'll notice that for the more populated islands (especially Pender) there are several direct back and forth sailings to Victoria without stops anywhere.
I think that Gulf Islanders are generally happy with the way things are. They don't want to become suburbs of Victoria with "commuter" ferries going every hour or two directly back and forth. It's part of the "charm" of the islands. They're secluded, out of the way, slower paced... a few ferries a day is just perfect.
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Post by NMcKay on Mar 15, 2006 10:08:39 GMT -8
Yes, I think so, and last time I saw the Mayne Queen she was only 1/4 full! I've been wondering why is there 2 vessels for 4 islands going from SB? Why not one vessel per island? Like this: 1. SB-Saturna (John Atlantic Burr) 2. SB-Mayne Island (Mayne Queen) 3. SB-Galiano Island (Queen of Cumberland) 4. SB-Pender Island (Kullet & Klatawa(When they arrive in BCF's fleet)) 5. SB-Fulford Harbour (Skeena Queen) 6. Tsa-Long Harbour (Queen of Nanaimo) 7. Tsa-Galiano (Queen of Chilliwack) 8. Tsa-Mayne Island (Queen of Tsawwassen) 9. Tsa-Pender Island (Queen of Burnaby(When the PR-Comox route is down)) Why would they have the Klatawa and Kulleet on the SB - Pender run? |
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Post by Mike C on Mar 15, 2006 11:29:48 GMT -8
Yes, I think so, and last time I saw the Mayne Queen she was only 1/4 full! I've been wondering why is there 2 vessels for 4 islands going from SB? Why not one vessel per island? Like this: 1. SB-Saturna (John Atlantic Burr) 2. SB-Mayne Island (Mayne Queen) 3. SB-Galiano Island (Queen of Cumberland) 4. SB-Pender Island (Kullet & Klatawa(When they arrive in BCF's fleet)) 5. SB-Fulford Harbour (Skeena Queen) 6. Tsa-Long Harbour (Queen of Nanaimo) 7. Tsa-Galiano (Queen of Chilliwack) 8. Tsa-Mayne Island (Queen of Tsawwassen) 9. Tsa-Pender Island (Queen of Burnaby(When the PR-Comox route is down)) What if you want to go from island to island? You would have to transfer at SWB or TSW. And, don't most of those ferries have to be somewhere (i.e. QOChill @ Discovery Coast/route 7)? |
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Post by Koastal Karl on Mar 15, 2006 11:46:17 GMT -8
Yeah there are people who go from island to island and I dont think they would want to go through Swartz Bay or Tsawwassen. That wouldent work. The islanders like it the way it is now with not alot of sailings.
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