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Post by Dane on Apr 5, 2006 17:50:50 GMT -8
Just to get this into a single thread... Washington Marine Group, Lonsdale Area Queen of Burnaby (drydock) PacifiCat Explorer, Discover, Voyageur (as per ussual) Queen of Surrey (In the water, Lonsdale Quay side (west)) Allied (Near Second Narrows Bridge) Kulleet (Albion Ferry) John Atlantic Burr... deck midway through assembly. During the day it's busy as a bee hive with workers (okay, like 2 or 3  ) Garibaldi II (No sign what-so-ever that anything has happened to her) |
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Post by Retrovision on Apr 5, 2006 18:02:50 GMT -8
Garibaldi II (No sign what-so-ever that anything has happened to her) Out of / in the water? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Also, any idea as to when she leaves, ball-park figure? |
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Post by Dane on Apr 5, 2006 18:30:32 GMT -8
GII is on the water, on the south end of the yards where I believe they only store vessels, no work done. I could be mistaken though, I've never been in the actual yard before.
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Post by Retrovision on Apr 6, 2006 19:36:03 GMT -8
Thanks. I think that I might get out there fairly soon to get some shots, before she's gone.
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Post by Neil on Apr 6, 2006 20:36:07 GMT -8
Is the Burr's hull in one piece? I believe they had it cut in four (or was it just two) for transportation.
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Post by Ferryman on Apr 6, 2006 20:42:03 GMT -8
The last time I looked, the Burrs hull was in four quarters, sitting evenly spaced on the drydock.
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Post by Curtis on Apr 6, 2006 20:47:40 GMT -8
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Post by Neil on Apr 6, 2006 21:21:27 GMT -8
With that much work still to do, don't suppose they'll get the Burr into service this summer as planned. And we'd hoped for a slightly bigger ferry at Hornby.
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Post by NMcKay on Apr 7, 2006 6:12:09 GMT -8
you need those 5 extra spaces?
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Post by Retrovision on Apr 7, 2006 8:05:01 GMT -8
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Post by Neil on Apr 7, 2006 8:21:29 GMT -8
re: need five extra spaces?..... well, considering the number of times that I've been the second or third car to miss the ferry, yes, they'd come in handy.
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Post by Retrovision on Apr 7, 2006 8:58:07 GMT -8
re: need five extra spaces?..... well, considering the number of times that I've been the second or third car to miss the ferry, yes, they'd come in handy. Unfortunately that's how Urban-Sprawl starts; and no, I'm not trying to exagerate, it's the concept that I'm speaking to. Just as a rhetorical question, would you agree with twinning the Port Mann? ...I know, I know, *completely* different situations, but as a people, we must realize the long-term implications of our actions. The point being, you add capacity to a road-link, more cars will use it, and soon you'll be in the same situation, needing capacity, but now dealing with 'sprawl' as well. ...That said, I'm using rhetoric heavily in this comparison simply because it must be used when trying to argue with such formidible powers that use it first (i.e the current SoCred - provincial government). Fight Fire with Fire I always say   |
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Post by Neil on Apr 7, 2006 9:31:12 GMT -8
Very true, tsawwassenterminal. When it comes to highways, indeed, "if you build it, they will come"... Twenty years ago, when we moved to North Delta, the Alex Fraser bridge and east west connector were brand new; in no time they were jammed to capacity at rush hour, and no doubt, if and when the Port Mann is twinned, almost immediately, that will be packed as well. The only saving grace to our situation here in Vancouver is that, as the 'burbs expand, the city itself is being rejuvenated. Vancouver has one of the most liveable downtown cores of any city in North America, unlike so many American cities, where the core has emptied out as expanding road networks take people farther out to suburbia. I don't think the analogy holds quite the same for ferries, though; not always, anyway. Hornby's population hasn't really increased in the twenty years we've had a place there, and even with a bigger ferry, it would still be limited by water availability, employment opportunities, and isolation. Still, as you say, all increases in transportation infrastructure lead to some population increase, and can in the end be self defeating.
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Post by Retrovision on Apr 7, 2006 10:37:52 GMT -8
apologies for straying from the subject...Very true, tsawwassenterminal. When it comes to highways, indeed, "if you build it, they will come"... Twenty years ago, when we moved to North Delta, the Alex Fraser bridge and east west connector were brand new; in no time they were jammed to capacity at rush hour, and no doubt, if and when the Port Mann is twinned, almost immediately, that will be packed as well. I'm glad you brought up that example. Some parallels between these two projects:- Both cross the same river, except the A.Fraser Bridge also serves Richmond, not plunking all those cars onto the 'mainland' side of Vancouver/Tri-Cities, but easing them west for a long way on the above-mentioned E/W Connecter. - The Kicker: Like the conceptual drawings for, and talk of, the to-be twinned Port Mann Bridge, The A.Fraser Bridge was also slated for rapid-transit of some sort...
...And yet there's never been *any* rapid transit over the A.Fraser Bridge.Some Dissimilarilies between the two:- As mentioned, the A.Fraser bridge has Richmond, and a westbound (as opposed to a Vancouver-bound / Northbound) road leading from it, between it and Vancouver, where there's no 'buffer' for the Port Mann. - Most importantly: The A.Fraser Bridge is on the western edge of the sprawl that is the North Delta / Surrey area, with a massive (possibly unique in size to North America, it's so large) bog / uninhabited area to it's west... ...if the Port Mann Bridge was twinned in the early 80s, instead of the A.Fraser Bridge having been built, the traffic and sprawl situations would be far worse than they are todayThe only saving grace to our situation here in Vancouver is that, as the 'burbs expand, the city itself is being rejuvenated. Vancouver has one of the most liveable downtown cores of any city in North America, unlike so many American cities, where the core has emptied out as expanding road networks take people farther out to suburbia. I wouldn't speak to soon. The GVRD (Greater Vanvouver Regional District) has struggled for decades to hold on to the model/concept of the ' Livable Region Strategy,' meeting opositon at almost every corner. It's kind of like the Kyoto Accord, some have lived up to it, some haven't; unfortunately, like the KA (world pollution agreement) if only a few sign on, they are still effected by those who didn't. But we've held on to the Livable Region Strategy for this long, it would be a waste to let it go now. ...My point is that the Vanvouver region has some well-planned and not-so-well-planned areas. Just because one area is healthy, doesn't mean that the diseased area's won't effect/infect the healthy area if we stand idle. In conclusion, remember: Surrey will soon surpass Vanvouver in population...but they know what they're doing when it comes to Urban-Sprawl, don't they?
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Post by Neil on Apr 7, 2006 11:09:14 GMT -8
Yes, it is pretty scary to contemplate how bad things might have been if the Port mann had been twinned twenty years ago. As it is, Surrey is an absolute mess (and I'm not being facetious), with virtually no real planning, other than their laughable attempt to create a 'downtown' in Whalley, and a years of idiotic leadership from a rube like Doug McCallum who's idea of progress was more strip malls, and more condos, wherever developers chose to put them. I still maintain that Vancouver itself is holding it's own pretty well on liveability, but you're right, it's surrounded by burgeoning 'burbs with no focus or foresight. Only here in Delta has the population barely changed in twenty years, and that's mainly because so much of our land is still, amazingly, in the ALR. You can indeed draw an analagy between local issues of liveability and urban planning, and the Kyoto Accord; the same sort of powerful interests opppose them both.
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Post by Retrovision on Apr 7, 2006 11:33:14 GMT -8
As it is, Surrey is an absolute mess (and I'm not being facetious), with virtually no real planning, other than their laughable attempt to create a 'downtown' in Whalley, It's too bad that it didn't work. This attempt was spearheaded by the expantion of SkyTrain from Scott Road Station to the to-be " downtown core" >laugh< of Surrey at Whalley. Most people involved were surprised that it didn't work, but in retropect see that it failed mainly because of the local council's (and, presumably, electorate's)... let's just say 'misguided' ways . and a years of idiotic leadership from a rube like Doug McCallum who's idea of progress was more strip malls, and more condos, wherever developers chose to put them. I still maintain that Vancouver itself is holding it's own pretty well on liveability, but you're right, it's surrounded by burgeoning 'burbs with no focus or foresight. don't get me started on McCallum ...funny story: the only reason that he was voted Chair of the Translink board was so that he couldn't blunder the process held up by the other members of the board Only here in Delta has the population barely changed in twenty years, and that's mainly because so much of our land is still, amazingly, in the ALR. Again, no movement doesn't necessarily mean 'status-quo' I'll only say this much: Keep an eye on Mayor Lois Jackson's moves Cheers, Graham |
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Post by Queen of Nanaimo Teen on Apr 7, 2006 16:34:46 GMT -8
Can people please post some pictures of the Garibaldi ll? thnx,
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Post by Retrovision on Apr 7, 2006 21:56:43 GMT -8
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