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Post by Retrovision on Nov 19, 2007 17:52:48 GMT -8
no spelling mistake just didn't finish the thought the vehicles unloading and loading. when there is a vessel in at berth one and a vessel at berths 3, 4, or 5 the smaller vessel traffic goes the alternative route. with vessels in 4 and 5 there is no room to seperate like that without confusin Ah okay, I was worried that I was off base in thinking this to be the case, though it does make sense considering how little marshalling room they have around those berths - I guess that you learn something new everyday - thanks.
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Post by Nucksrule on Nov 21, 2007 19:14:07 GMT -8
Night Noise Begins Monday, November 26 Posted November 21, 2007
BC Ferries’ Departure Bay terminal improvement plan has moved into another phase of construction. Water main and sewer line installation has begun. As a result, beginning, Monday, November 26 through until Friday, December 7, contractors will be required to work throughout the night.
Every effort will be made to minimize the noise associated with the installation of these utilities. However, there will be some noise associated with the use of the heavy equipment required to complete this type of work.
Completion of the Departure Bay terminal improvement project is expected by the summer of 2008.
BC Ferries appreciates your patience while we build the future.
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Post by Kam on Nov 22, 2007 15:25:24 GMT -8
Service Notices - Gabriola-Nanaimo
Sailing Delays and Cancellations Posted November 21, 2007 Friday, November 23 - Monday, November 26
Due to extreme low tides, the MV Bowen Queen is unable to dock at Descanso Bay at certain times. As a result, the following sailings are cancelled:
Lv. Nanaimo Harbour Lv. Descanso Bay Friday, November 23 8:55 p.m. 9:25 p.m.
9:55 p.m. 10:25 p.m. Saturday, November 24 9:55 p.m. 10:25 p.m. Sunday, November 25 9:55 p.m. 10:25 p.m.
In addition, the following sailings are delayed:
Lv. Nanaimo Harbour Scheduled Sailing Revised Departure Friday, November 23 10:55 p.m. 11:40 p.m. Saturday, November 24 10:55 p.m. 12:40 a.m. (Nov.25) Sunday, November 25 10:55 p.m. 1:25 a.m. (Nov.26) Monday, November 26 10:55 p.m. 1:55 a.m. (Nov. 27)
Hmm.. I dont remember this being an issue in the past... is this a new thing or am I just on glue?
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Post by Neil on Nov 22, 2007 16:01:49 GMT -8
Hmm.. I dont remember this being an issue in the past... is this a new thing or am I just on glue? Well... this could be a new thing, and you could be on glue. But I hope not. I found it odd as well. I checked, and the Bowen Queen draws as much water as the Quinsam. I don't recall seeing notices like this for the route.
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Post by Kam on Nov 22, 2007 16:17:31 GMT -8
Hmm.. I dont remember this being an issue in the past... is this a new thing or am I just on glue? Well... this could a new thing, and you could be on glue. But I hope not. I found it odd as well. I checked, and the Bowen Queen draws as much water as the Quinsam. I don't recall seeing notices like this for the route. Mmmm... paste...
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Post by Nick on Nov 22, 2007 16:53:21 GMT -8
I was thinking, does the draft measurements include the amount that the RADs drop down? If I recall, the RADs on the Bowen drop further than the RADs on the Quinsam.
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Post by queenofcowichan on Nov 22, 2007 17:01:28 GMT -8
Actually the Bowen Queen would Draw more water than the Quinsam. The Bowen Queen is a heavier vessle due to the Superstructure therefore she draws more water. The Quinsam does not have such a big superstructure to draw the weight.
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Post by queenofcowichan on Nov 22, 2007 17:05:54 GMT -8
The ships profile at www.bcferries.com confirms this: Gross Tonnage: Bowen Queen: 1, 475.68 Quinsam : 1, 458 Difference between ships 17.68
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Post by Nick on Nov 22, 2007 17:20:16 GMT -8
Actually, just because the ship is heavier doesn't mean it draws more water. I don't have an example right now, but think of a relatively flat bottomed ship like the Klitsa or Kuper, which have gross tonnages of around 400. Then look at a ship like the Nimpkish, which has a GT of 266. However, the Nimpkish has a bigger draft than the Klitsa (about 6ft vs 4.5ft.) (I guess I did find an example).
It all comes down to the hull design. Also, Gross tonnage is not just the weight of the ship, but is determined by the amount of closed in hull. The actual calculations are really complicated, and I don't fully understand them yet, so I won't try to explain them here.
Also, 17 tonnes difference between ships is almost nothing. Really speaking, they are pretty much the same GT.
I think the Bowen draws more water though.
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Post by Ferryman on Nov 22, 2007 17:22:59 GMT -8
I would imagine that the Bowen Queen has a deeper draft than the Quinsam with its "V" shaped hull. I'm picturing the Quinsam having more of shallow flat hull. Remember, the Bowen Queen never had RADs at one point, and had the rudder/prop/shaft detail.
Also, would the Quinsam/Quinitsa have their engines on the car deck level, like the K-Class?
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Post by Nick on Nov 22, 2007 17:26:50 GMT -8
Yes, Chris, you are correct. The Quinsam/Quinitsa do have their engines on the main car deck, in 4 corners like the Skeena. And yes, from what I recall of the plans from this summer, the Quinsam has a flat hull very similar to the K class. I didn't know that the Mayne/Bowen/PRQ had a shaft/rudder drive system. If that is correct, then the Bowen would most certainly have deeper V shaped hull.
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Post by queenofcowichan on Nov 22, 2007 17:48:50 GMT -8
All I know is that I heard a BC Ferry employee sometime ago remark that the Bowen Queen's draft is the reason why some sailings would be cancelled on the Gabriola Run. I am just going by what they said.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 22, 2007 17:53:33 GMT -8
is this a new thing or am I just on glue?
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Post by Coastal Canuck on Nov 22, 2007 18:01:27 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 22, 2007 18:09:57 GMT -8
....are you saying that she's late coming back from refit? I couldn't find the original news-release re her refit. When was she scheduled back, according to the news-release or service-notice? (Late edit: Reply #377 in this thread says that NorAd's refit was to end on Nov.21; yesterday). (....when all her troubles seemed so far away, now it looks as though they're here to stay.....)
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 22, 2007 20:04:08 GMT -8
I believe that the NorAd was to be back in service for yesterday's northbound run from Pt Hardy to Rupert. The old workhorse that we know at the QPR is continuing to provide the service. I imagine that the switch will now take place this Saturday. Perhaps they needed more tome to get the elevator working.
It could also be that the BCFS's official 'Vessel Position' page is giving us bad info and the NorAd is in service.
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Post by Retrovision on Nov 23, 2007 12:19:36 GMT -8
Re: Descanso draft troubles
I have distinct memories of this being an issue for the Bowen Queen during past refits of the Quinsam.
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Post by Dane on Nov 23, 2007 13:47:15 GMT -8
I wouldn't call a vessel being late from refit "troubles." BCFS's success rate (wrt being on time) with refits seems to be about 10%.
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Post by Retrovision on Nov 23, 2007 13:54:49 GMT -8
I wouldn't call a vessel being late from refit "troubles." BCFS's success rate (wrt being on time) with refits seems to be about 10%. lol, if you're referring to my post, I was only getting at the near unavoidable 'trouble' with the extreme tides at that location and I don't take issue with the maintenance schedule.
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Post by Coastal Canuck on Nov 23, 2007 15:32:16 GMT -8
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Post by Nick on Nov 23, 2007 15:41:13 GMT -8
I was wondering when that was going to happen. I was working on the plans for that upgrade last summer. Unfortunately, they are getting rid of those cool wooden benches in the lounge and replacing them with plastic ones. Too bad, I liked those wooden benches.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Nov 23, 2007 19:40:00 GMT -8
MV Howe Sound Queen Capital Upgrade Posted November 23, 2007 Monday, December 3 – January 2008 On Monday, December 3 the MV Howe Sound Queen will be removed from service to undergo a capital upgrade—phase two of a project that commenced April 2006. This work is expected to take approximately two months and will involve a major upgrade to the passenger lounge. This upgrade will include new tables, chairs, flooring and drop ceiling as well as new bulkhead linings. The crew accommodation areas will be reconfigured, as well as improved washroom facilities for the public. During this time, BC Ferries is pleased to supply the MV Bowen Queen as the replacement vessel for sailings between Crofton and Vesuvius. Commercial customers are advised that vehicles over 10 tonnes GVW (10,000 kg) are restricted to centre lane loading only on the MV Bowen Queen and available commercial vehicle capacity will be limited. All sailings will remain as scheduled between Crofton and Vesuvius. BC Ferries thanks its customers for their understanding and apologizes for any inconvenience this may cause. Complete schedule information is available at www.bcferries.com or by calling our Customer Service Centre at 1-888-BCFERRY (223-3779) between 7:00 am and 10:00 pm daily.
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Post by Retrovision on Nov 23, 2007 22:17:42 GMT -8
I believe that the NorAd was to be back in service for yesterday's northbound run from Pt Hardy to Rupert. The old workhorse that we know at the QPR is continuing to provide the service. I imagine that the switch will now take place this Saturday. Perhaps they needed more tome to get the elevator working. Northern Adventure still at Deas as of about 21:50hrs (10 to 10pm), so I doubt she'll be in service by tomorrow.
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Post by Hardy on Nov 24, 2007 5:53:39 GMT -8
1 round trip of the SoVI has been replaced by the QoSaa but without any corresponding service notice posted. Today's sailings at a glance reveals that the SoVI will not sail on her 1500 sailing from Swartz nor the return 1700 from Tsawwassen. As I say, no service notice on this, but the "conditions at a glance" page shows the 'Saanich doing this one round trip. You would think that a significant ferry change such as this would warrant at least a service notice. Oh well, all things FUBAR at the Queen of Fort Street.
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Post by hergfest on Nov 24, 2007 9:06:45 GMT -8
But Saturday nights are one of the slowest times for BC Ferries, so it makes the most sense. They will not sell out even the Sannich.
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