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Post by yvr on Mar 8, 2007 22:07:34 GMT -8
Very interesting material!
Islandguy deserves a pat on the back for finding this information.
My questions - On the Norad, stern door - what is a MacGregor design / supply pkg? Also on the Norad - do any members have a photo of the "temporary fairings emulating a curved stern"?
Others have noted the 3rd Northern vessel may again be a used ferry. (The Sonia exercise all over again. Lets get our name in now for one of the Nisos sisters.)
Kudos to Flugel for researching the legitimacy of the document, and locating the Kuper papers. (I hope the compartments the midgets had to complete never need maintenance - but that's wishful thinking. Those small areas are all confined space entry. It shows very poor design, and a reason for higher costs.)
I would think it unlikely that any further BCF Engineering documents will find there way onto the web. It appears the Naval architects posted these two exceptions. We can only hope that BCF engineering continues to let us see what goes on behind closed doors.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Mar 8, 2007 22:20:06 GMT -8
MacGregor refers to the company/name for the sliding doors that separate the car-deck into sections.
The QotN had them installed after the Herald of Free Enterprise or Estonia disasters.
If you do a search under the word "macgregor" on this forum (search function at the very bottom of the home page), you'll find some references to these doors, in Wet Coastal Kid's various postings on the history of the Queen of the North.
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Post by Neil on Mar 8, 2007 22:37:51 GMT -8
I don't see any reason why BC Ferries would be uncomfortable with either of those presentations being in the public domain. (Except maybe for that cartoon...) A lot of the information in the first one was already in annual reports and in the Coastal Ferry Contract. Interesting reading an in depth account of the re-construction of the JAB - Kuper, but what a joke reading about how nice they think that lounge is. Horrid institutional minimalism.
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Post by WettCoast on Mar 8, 2007 22:47:32 GMT -8
MacGregor as Flugel Horn says is the name of a company that manufactures fittings for ships of all sorts including Ropax vessels. They specialize, apparently, in doors, hatches, ramps, etc. for the smooth and efficient movement of passengers, cars, and other freight on and off of ships worldwide. More info to be found by following the link below. www.macgregor-group.com/?id=2029Very interesting material! Others have noted the 3rd Northern vessel may again be a used ferry. (The Sonia exercise all over again. Lets get our name in now for one of the Nisos sisters.) Sorry, but is says they are looking for a ship with an auto capacity of 60, not 400. The vessel is to be significantly smaller than the QofChilliwack.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Mar 9, 2007 7:35:47 GMT -8
re the used vessel for Nor-Discovery:
If this was 10-15 years ago, then one of the smaller Alaska ferries might have interested BCFS.
Or maybe they'd be too old, even back then......
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Mar 9, 2007 9:01:55 GMT -8
- New engines for NIP & Mill Bay ?? Again, how much remaining useful life will the vessel have to reap the benefits of this upgrade? I guess since they found out the NIP was being held together with spit, chewing gum, and pure luck a few years ago and consequently had to replace significant portions of her hull, they figure they might as well dump some more money into her.
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Post by yvr on Mar 9, 2007 10:27:30 GMT -8
The Nor Discovery at only 60 vehicles!
Do one of our members / guests know the summertime load factor for the Discovery route? Sixty vehicles would appear to be on the low side. I agree this capacity is more than adequate for the Northern routes in winter.
Here's another spin - put the Sonia on the Discovery route, and acquire a Nisos sister to complement the Expedition.
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Post by Dane on Mar 9, 2007 16:15:55 GMT -8
I am sort of in a hurry as I am verging being late for work but yvr is you go to BCFS's annual reports you can see the load factors for the Disc. route. They're pretty darn low I seem to recall.... like half a Chilliwack. (Remember the whole rear area of the car deck is used for Kayaks! )
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