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Post by Barnacle on Dec 30, 2007 13:45:44 GMT -8
It's very unlikely the Tillikum was running at full speed on that short crossing. If there's time to load and unload, then why burn more fuel to get there quicker? The Tilly's good for at least two knots more than the Rhody (if not three). Save the gas, save the money, save the running gear.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jan 4, 2008 9:44:43 GMT -8
Ferry Alert: Fauntleroy / Vashon / Southworth - Galley Service - CorrectionGalley service will not be available on the Tillikum, Friday, January 4th. We apologize for the inconvenience. When I saw this I assumed the Rhododendron was returning to service. When I looked at vessel watch this morning, I saw this: As far as I know, this is the first time that the south end vessel has been swapped with one of the north end vessels. I wonder if they're testing all of the Evergreen State class vessels down there to see which one works the best.
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 5, 2008 13:19:03 GMT -8
I doubt it; the Klahowya and Tillikum are at least theoretically identical. I can't actually figure out why they were swapped. The Evergreen would be a better choice in any case, with the smaller passenger cabin. But she's otherwise occupied for the next two years or so.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jan 7, 2008 7:58:59 GMT -8
the Klahowya and Tillikum are at least theoretically identical. The big difference between them is overhead clearance (Klahowya is 13'10", Tillikum is 13'6"). That could've been a reason for the swap, but I doubt it. The only other reason for the swap I can think of is more down time maintenance.
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Post by In Washington on Jan 7, 2008 17:35:34 GMT -8
Tillikum has had trouble getting her engines warm enough on such a short croosing. True story. Not sure if the Klahowya is doing any better.
At one point the Tillikum was running a slightly altered course to make the trip a bit longer.
That run is kinda like driving your car to the end of your driveway and back several times a day...
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Post by hergfest on Jan 7, 2008 18:06:00 GMT -8
Aren't the engines idling when the ferry is in dock? I would think that would keep them warm enough. I wonder what WSF will do if they can't fix this problem? They would have to put the Sealth down there, or one of the new "Keystone" boats.
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Post by In Washington on Jan 7, 2008 18:59:42 GMT -8
When pushing ahead they are don't get warm enough and then a quick full ahead for the crossing apparently isn't enough to get things heated up.
There are ways to work this so I doubt it would mean the Sealth. The speed of the Sealth is needed up North.
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Post by BreannaF on Jan 8, 2008 11:08:18 GMT -8
Hiyu to Replace Evergreen State on San Juan Islands Inter-Island Route Date: January 8, 2008 Contact: Susan Harris-Huether, Customer Information Manager, (206) 515-3460 SEATTLE – Beginning on January 16, the Hiyu will replace the Evergreen State on the San Juan Islands inter-island route while Washington State Ferries (WSF) takes the Evergreen State out of service for necessary maintenance and repairs. “The Evergreen State needs both main engines overhauled and other long overdue maintenance, including steel replacement along the hull,” said Paul Brodeur, WSF Director of Vessel Maintenance and Preservation. “It is one of the oldest vessels in the fleet and we must complete this work to ensure its ongoing safety and reliability.” Depending on drydock availability, the Evergreen State could be out of service until the beginning of spring schedule on March 30. During this time, the Hiyu will operate on the same schedule on the San Juan Islands inter-island route. Even though the winter months see less inter-island traffic than in summer months, WSF expects some sold out sailings due to the reduced capacity of the Hiyu. The smallest and most unique car ferry in the WSF fleet, the Hiyu carries 34 vehicles and 200 passengers. The Evergreen State’s capacity is 87 cars and 983 passengers. “We know this will be an inconvenience to our customers and we are doing everything we can to complete this necessary maintenance quickly,” said WSF Deputy Executive Director Traci Brewer-Rogstad. “We plan to closely monitor traffic and to adjust schedules if necessary to accommodate inter-island traffic.” WSF is working closely with the San Juan Islands Ferry Advisory Committee (FAC) to be sure the community is aware of what to expect and to allow the public the opportunity to provide feedback or ask questions through their local FAC representatives. In addition, WSF management will notify commercial users and work with them to help minimize impacts. “Our goal is to complete this work during the relatively slower winter months so we are prepared when traffic picks up in the spring,” said Brewer-Rogstad. Customers are encouraged to arrive early for scheduled sailings and to check WSF’s Web site for the latest information at www.wsdot.wa.gov/ferries/ or call 1-888-808-7977. Background The Hiyu, which has two separate passenger cabins and no elevator, was the inter-island vessel in the summers of 1986 and 1988 and in the Fall/Winter/Spring schedules of 1990-1998 on the San Juan Islands route before becoming a relief vessel. The vessel has been used throughout the system to fill-in for vessels that are out for maintenance and repairs. # # #
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 8, 2008 18:26:01 GMT -8
Mighty Hiyu... the Flying Saucer returns to the San Juans.
This is what we generally call an 'All Hands On Deck' situation if the Hiyu's getting run time.
Looks like a case where, if we break a boat, we're just down a boat somewhere.
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Post by EGfleet on Jan 11, 2008 15:26:25 GMT -8
And so it begins....
VASHON Beginning Monday, January 14th, the Fauntleroy/Vashon/Southworth route will be on a two-boat schedule weekdays until mid-February. We apologize for this inconvenience as Washington State Ferries moves vessels in the system to meet maintenance requirements of the United States Coast Guard.
To help during this downsizing: The second ferry, the smaller Tillikum will be replaced by the larger Kitsap. A morning and aftrnoon round trip will be added to the Seattle/Vashon Passenger Only schedule. There will be a 5:50am sailing from Vashon and 6:25am sailing from Seattle in the mornings and a 3:35pm sailing from Seattle and a 4:10pm sailing from Vashon in the evenings. A larger than normal vessel is on the Point Defiance/Tahlequah route. Customers who commute to south King County or Pierce County are encouraged to utilize the Point Defiance/Tahlequah route during this time.
BREMERTON Beginning Monday, January 14th, the Kitsap will be replaced by the smaller car ferry Tillikum as Washington State Ferries moves vessels in the system to meet maintenance requirements of the United States Coast Guard. During this time, we ask that you not lie down on seats so there will be enough seating for all passengers. The downsizing will be in effect until mid-February. To help during this service change, WSF encourages vehicle commuters to form temporary 3 person carpools so they can receive preferential loading over single occupancy vehicles. For more information, call 206-515-385. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.
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Post by EGfleet on Jan 11, 2008 16:09:27 GMT -8
And here's another switch:
Hiyu to Operate on San Juan Islands Inter-Island Route Beginning in Early-February
SEATTLE – Washington State Ferries announced today that the switch from an 87-car Evergreen State class vessel to a smaller ferry, the 34-car Hiyu, has been delayed until early-February. The Hiyu is currently at Dakota Creek shipyard in Anacortes undergoing maintenance and repairs.
The Hiyu was to replace the Evergreen State on the San Juan Islands Inter-Island route next week, but the shipyard needs more time to finish repairs. The 87-car Klahowya will replace its sister ship the Evergreen State this weekend, January 13 and will remain on the Inter-Island route until the Hiyu is available
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2008 19:30:41 GMT -8
Wow! I can't believe that they are reducing the Vashon route to two boats. I don't think I ever remember a time that there were only two ferries on that route but I could be wrong. So let me get this straight the Klahowya is going to the San Juans, the Evergreen to Pt Defience, the Tillikum to Bremerton and the Kitsap to Vashon. Have I forgot anything? What a crazy switch of boats! When is the Kaleetan going in for maintenance? I was on the Kitsap today at 10:15am from Bremerton this morning and at 3pm from Seattle this afternoon and she was packed at 3pm. And that wasn't even rush hour! Boy the Tillikum will really be jabbed at rush hour. The only other route I remember the Klahowya being on was Kingston - Edmonds that must have been 1980 or so when she dropped a propeller and they sent her there instead of Vashon for some reason.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jan 11, 2008 19:37:53 GMT -8
They are just asking for it and the USCG might want to make sure another boat can come back in before they even dare continue forward, say when will the yak be back?
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jan 11, 2008 20:14:55 GMT -8
Wow! I can't believe that they are reducing the Vashon route to two boats. I don't think I ever remember a time that there were only two ferries on that route but I could be wrong. The last time there was 2 boat service for more than a day was in early 1999 when the Quinault was damaged during a storm (she got slammed against a temporary steel pipe dolphin, resulting in a big hole in the superstructure). Sometime in the early-mid 80's, there was 2-boat service for about a week or so when the Nisqually (pre-rebuilt) was sent down to the south end to replace the Olympic. I was on the Kitsap today at 10:15am from Bremerton this morning and at 3pm from Seattle this afternoon and she was packed at 3pm. And that wasn't even rush hour! Boy the Tillikum will really be jabbed at rush hour. I was wondering if there was a possibility that walk-ons could end up being left behind due to overcrowding, but then I looked at the fleet guide and saw that the Tillikum holds the same # of passengers as the Kitsap. They are just asking for it and the USCG might want to make sure another boat can come back in before they even dare continue forward, say when will the yak be back? I'm assuming you're talking about the Hyak (wasn't sure if you were refering to the Hyak or Yakima).
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Post by EGfleet on Jan 11, 2008 20:43:13 GMT -8
The last time there was 2 boat service for more than a day was in early 1999 when the Quinault was damaged during a storm (she got slammed against a temporary steel pipe dolphin, resulting in a big hole in the superstructure). Sometime in the early-mid 80's, there was 2-boat service for about a week or so when the Nisqually (pre-rebuilt) was sent down to the south end to replace the Olympic. I remember that storm. I was on Sealth crossing from Bremerton to Seattle. She heeled over so badly that the chairs in the passenger cabin (the freestanding ones she used to have) started sliding down the deck with us sitting in them. Scared the heck out of me. Only other time I've been scared on a ferry that badly was taking the Chelan across Haro in 10 foot seas. I believe the Hyak is due out at the end of the month/early Feb. With any luck.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jan 11, 2008 21:09:51 GMT -8
Grand, just the perfect time. When dumb politicians and lawsuits do nothing to benefit us except lawyers bottom lines. The best they come up with? 3 50 car ferries for us to spend more on the ferry. So much for reducing spending! If they can force us to get a tunnel we do not want in Bremerton, they can relocate Keystone and not give a d****
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Post by northwesterner on Jan 11, 2008 22:02:29 GMT -8
And so it begins.... BREMERTONBeginning Monday, January 14th, the Kitsap will be replaced by the smaller car ferry Tillikum as Washington State Ferries moves vessels in the system to meet maintenance requirements of the United States Coast Guard. During this time, we ask that you not lie down on seats so there will be enough seating for all passengers. The downsizing will be in effect until mid-February. Geez. Can the Tillikum even keep the Bremerton schedule? I'm suprised they didn't bring the Sealth down from the Islands and send the Tillikum up.
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Post by hergfest on Jan 12, 2008 0:24:10 GMT -8
When they sent the Evergreen up to the Islands to replace the Sealth after her last grounding the Evergreen couldn't keep the schedule. We'll see how the Tilly does on the Bremerton route. The big advantage is that she only holds 87 cars to loading/unloading should be quicker. Its going to be an interesting couple of months for WSF. All of the deferred maintenance has finally caught up with them and now they are paying for it. At least they are hurrying to get the boats done before the summer schedule, or else the San Juans are going to have to go to a four boat schedule, which would really hurt tourism up there, and maybe reduce the Sidney route to only one round trip. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
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Post by zman on Jan 12, 2008 12:34:19 GMT -8
The Klahoya is leaving Vashon Island for the San Juans?! The Evergreen is supposed to go to Point Defiance. Having the Tillikum at Bremerton?? Uh, that is not good. Lower speed, lower capacity...the Kitsap is stuffed on the peak trips already...ARRGH! BTW, Anybody know how many can actually be seated onboard the Tillikum? WSF says 1200 can fit onboard (800 for the equivilent size Klahowya). Then, there is the reduced service at Vashon...
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Post by hergfest on Jan 12, 2008 18:43:12 GMT -8
I believe there was a thread on here about the Klahowya having less liferafts than the Tilly, hence the lower passenger count.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2008 11:44:14 GMT -8
I remember that storm in 1999 but I forgot that the Quinault was at Vashon at that time and that she was damaged then. Now it's all coming back to me.
I also didn't relize that the Tillikum holds 1200 passengers but I do wonder if she can keep the Bremerton schedule like northwesterner stated. This should be very interesting! I find it interesting that the Tillikum is the only one of the Evergreen Class that has food service. Why doesn't the Klahowya have food service? I am still wondering why the Klahowya holds less passengers than even the Evergreen State? Perhaps hergfest is correct about her having less liferafts? In my opinion the Klahowya is the nicest of the sisters!
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Post by northwesterner on Jan 13, 2008 13:50:11 GMT -8
I remember that storm in 1999 but I forgot that the Quinault was at Vashon at that time and that she was damaged then. Now it's all coming back to me. I also didn't relize that the Tillikum holds 1200 passengers but I do wonder if she can keep the Bremerton schedule like northwesterner stated. This should be very interesting! I find it interesting that the Tillikum is the only one of the Evergreen Class that has food service. Why doesn't the Klahowya have food service? I am still wondering why the Klahowya holds less passengers than even the Evergreen State? Perhaps hergfest is correct about her having less liferafts? In my opinion the Klahowya is the nicest of the sisters! I believe someone posted that Tillikum has more PFDs than Klahowya because when they were renovated, Klahowya recieved more free standing seats and Tillikum had more benches, which can store PFDs.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jan 13, 2008 13:55:01 GMT -8
I believe someone posted that Tillikum has more PFDs than Klahowya because when they were renovated, Klahowya recieved more free standing seats and Tillikum had more benches, which can store PFDs. Also, some of the benches on the Klahowya were "halved" (i.e., one side was removed) a few years back to create spots for wheelchairs/scooters.
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Post by zman on Jan 13, 2008 14:43:03 GMT -8
I do recall that previous conversation about the Klahowya/Tillikum capacity difference. I am just wondering if all of the passengers onboard at Bremerton will be able to have a seat...I know the Tillikum has quite a few chairs set up in the middle areas.
The WSF service alert tells passengers not to lie down...they will have fun enforcing that, as many people making the crossing look forward to an extra hour of catchin' z's
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jan 13, 2008 17:16:11 GMT -8
This should be very interesting! I find it interesting that the Tillikum is the only one of the Evergreen Class that has food service. Why doesn't the Klahowya have food service? She does, but there's no galley service on the Pt. Defiance - Tahlequah route (nor is there galley service in the San Juans at this time).
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