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Post by harbourlynx on Oct 11, 2005 20:48:53 GMT -8
What european ferries should be bought by BCFerries?
Vote is open as of now, and is open until 14 days after the last post(New bumping post rule by DOUG!)
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Post by harbourlynx on Oct 11, 2005 20:51:06 GMT -8
um sea cats totally
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Post by Quinsam on Oct 11, 2005 21:25:56 GMT -8
I think the P&O Ferries would be nice over here, but the Seacats are so super fast and a complete success in the UK, Bring some english food on the cafe! leave crates of Crisps and pastries in there!
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Post by Ferryman on Oct 11, 2005 21:28:50 GMT -8
The North looks pretty nice, so I say bring more Stenas here I guess..
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Post by Doug on Oct 12, 2005 0:21:03 GMT -8
None! We don't need any giant boxes over here.  We are quite capable of designing our own ferries...not buy used crap, especially UGLY cr@p. I'll make an exception for some, but most of the ones around BC Ferry size range is UGLY! |
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Post by Doug on Oct 12, 2005 0:24:46 GMT -8
And a note in regards to Chris's post: they don't build ferries like the Stena Danica II anymore...it said somewhere onboard that she was the "most beautiful ferry in Europe."
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Post by Balfour on Oct 12, 2005 5:46:46 GMT -8
"Most Beautiful Ferry in Europe" --You're right on that one. The Queen of the North is a beauty, and she's one of my favourite ships in the fleet.
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Post by Shane on Oct 12, 2005 7:58:53 GMT -8
Yeah, shes a great ship.
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Post by Starbucks Queen on Oct 13, 2005 12:33:33 GMT -8
None! We don't need any giant boxes over here. We are quite capable of designing our own ferries...not buy used crap, especially UGLY cr@p. I'll make an exception for some, but most of the ones around BC Ferry size range is UGLY! I agree on "buying used crap" - newbuilds are always better. Since I don´t know much about your area but noticed that you have rather small ships, I am not sure whether the "giant boxes" are anyways out of discussion as the port might not be suitable for those. Do I see it correctly too, when I think that you use the same berthing system as P&O - the bows of BC ferries and P&O ones look the same actually ! |
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Post by Koastal Karl on Oct 13, 2005 14:02:45 GMT -8
Yeah the Queen of the North is a great looking ship. One of my favorites now. Too the person with the cats pic, either make it smaller or get rid of it. It takes up to much space!!
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Post by Doug on Oct 13, 2005 16:57:50 GMT -8
None! We don't need any giant boxes over here. We are quite capable of designing our own ferries...not buy used crap, especially UGLY cr@p. I'll make an exception for some, but most of the ones around BC Ferry size range is UGLY! I agree on "buying used crap" - newbuilds are always better. Since I don´t know much about your area but noticed that you have rather small ships, I am not sure whether the "giant boxes" are anyways out of discussion as the port might not be suitable for those. Do I see it correctly too, when I think that you use the same berthing system as P&O - the bows of BC ferries and P&O ones look the same actually ! Here is just an example of a giant box...  . We have fairly short crossings with two to four ships on them, hence we don't have the biggest ships, although they are still rather large. I'll take the busy route for example. Tsawwassen (Vancouver)-Swartz Bay (Victoria) is 44 km in distance (short for a Mainland-Vancouver Island crossing) and takes 1 h. and 35 min. to cross. The bigger two ships hold 470 vehicles and 2,100 passengers while the smaller two hold 338 vehicles and 1,600 passengers. Ships leave each terminal every hour. Horseshoe Bay (West Vancouver)-Departure Bay (Nanaimo) is 59 km in distance and takes the same time to cross, but there are only three ships each with vehicle capacities of 362 and passenger capacities of 1,500. These ships are usually full when they leave...I'd like to see a Baltic ferry carry that many passengers on one route. P&O Ferries may seem like BC Ferries, but the big difference is that we have a double loading ramp, which means we can load four vehicles at a time, two on the main vehicle deck and two on the upper vehicle deck. Here is an example.... community.webshots.com/photo/180503143/180503143UbZpRW The ships are in and out of the terminal in 25 minutes. |
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Oct 13, 2005 17:10:22 GMT -8
ok doug FOR THE LAST TIME! you have not done your reasearch the dover-calais ferries can do double loading and turn around faster than an S class because they have azipods. I will get you some proof community.webshots.com/photo/224310904/224310904QnpFwn there is a car deck on top and bottom |
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Post by Doug on Oct 13, 2005 17:18:33 GMT -8
But they don't use that now do they...?
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Oct 13, 2005 17:20:57 GMT -8
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Post by Doug on Oct 13, 2005 17:51:47 GMT -8
I'm talking about both at the same time...you can talk to Cascade on this one.
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Post by Doug on Oct 13, 2005 17:54:53 GMT -8
Also the terminals are owned by the Government - still - under the BCFTA - which collect a license fee of $100,000 per year for ALL the BC Terminals that BC Ferries currently use. BUT any operator can apply to BCFTA and they can grant a License (The same that BCFS has) for the same terminal. So in theory another ferry operator can ply there trade from say Departure Bay to Horseshoe Bay - BUT like I have mention - the loading system that BC Ferries have are very unique - I have not seen a double loading system like this anywhere in Europe - so who therefore is going to apply for a license to work the main routes - which actually make all the money - that in turn keep the rest of the routes in profit. |
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Post by Quinsam on Oct 13, 2005 18:18:43 GMT -8
I agree on "buying used crap" - newbuilds are always better. Since I don´t know much about your area but noticed that you have rather small ships, I am not sure whether the "giant boxes" are anyways out of discussion as the port might not be suitable for those. P&O Ferries may seem like BC Ferries, but the big difference is that we have a double loading ramp, which means we can load four vehicles at a time, two on the main vehicle deck and two on the upper vehicle deck. Here is an example.... community.webshots.com/photo/180503143/180503143UbZpRW The ships are in and out of the terminal in 25 minutes. Horseshoe Bay (West Vancouver)-Departure Bay (Nanaimo) is 59 km in distance and takes the same time to cross, but there are only three ships each with vehicle capacities of 362 and passenger capacities of 1,500. These ships are usually full when they leave...I'd like to see a Baltic ferry carry that many passengers on one route. Do I see it correctly too, when I think that you use the same berthing system as P&O - the bows of BC ferries and P&O ones look the same actually ! Here is just an example of a giant box... . We have fairly short crossings with two to four ships on them, hence we don't have the biggest ships, although they are still rather large. I'll take the busy route for example. Tsawwassen (Vancouver)-Swartz Bay (Victoria) is 44 km in distance (short for a Mainland-Vancouver Island crossing) and takes 1 h. and 35 min. to cross. The bigger two ships hold 470 vehicles and 2,100 passengers while the smaller two hold 338 vehicles and 1,600 passengers. Ships leave each terminal every hour. Now That thing would be able to sail from Port Hardy to Alaska! It would be the Biggest Ship in the Fleet if BCF Bought it, but it would be a total waste of money, I wonder what the other vessels that are going to be bought/built for BCFerries look like, after the Super C's. |
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Post by NMcKay on Oct 14, 2005 10:19:21 GMT -8
Our Boats have internal Loading ramps to. just not all of them. some vessels have gallary decks. that lower, and are accessed via the internal ramp system
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Oct 14, 2005 14:55:36 GMT -8
That I would not reccomend the type of vessel because of the configuration. I believe that BCF can make a cruise ship vessel or maybe look at cruise lines for ideas. I think a Holland America designed ship would be nice because they are meant for smaller capacities and they are not huge. It would be perfect for Port Hardy, the only thing that would be needed is a terminal relocation for that size of ship.
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Post by Starbucks Queen on Oct 16, 2005 13:42:47 GMT -8
OK, P&O ferries do have double-deck loading. On the other thread I started which features "photos of European ferries" - I have put one photo of the Pride of Dover. You can see that door to the upper cardeck. On that space between this door and the end of the bow they can - and do very often too - place trucks as well. Other double-deck loading ships are on the Ramsgate-Ostend line, but they use some ex- P&O ferries too. Hope this was the answer you expected, if you need to know more I might be able to tell  |
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Post by Doug on Oct 16, 2005 15:02:52 GMT -8
If they have double ramps and the ships are compatible with double ramps, why don't they just use them? I know what you mean when they load a couple of trucks on top there, but apparently they don't use both ramps normally....
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Post by Starbucks Queen on Oct 18, 2005 7:30:45 GMT -8
I was quite sure that P&O vessels do load simultanously both decks, but I asked another frequent traveller who is doing this more often by car while I travel more as a footpassenger.
He said they do load both decks at the same time, but as well they do often unload one deck and already loading the other (depends on which one is empty).
On Ostend-Ramsgate there are a few ships - Larkspur, Primrose and Eurovoyager which do have side-loading as well, they do load at the same time the lower deck and the upper deck via the side-loader. Btw- Primrose and Larkspur did originally not have a 2nd cardeck, they have built this in afterwards and the result is a funny looking, a bit too high ship.
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Post by Quinsam on Feb 12, 2006 10:04:33 GMT -8
Well, I think that picture what Dan posted, of the night ship leaving Calais, that would be OK for route 1, as it looks like a smaller type of S class ship, looks ok, and I hope they bring english food on them.
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Post by Mike C on Feb 12, 2006 13:56:27 GMT -8
I think we learned our lesson for European ferries--especially Noweigen ones--wink wink, nudge nudge! Other european ferrries would be fine though, as long as they aren't too big! The one that Quinsam Teen refered to is good. |
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Post by Starbucks Queen on Feb 14, 2006 14:01:18 GMT -8
Why that one ? It´s after all P&O´s freight-only ferry, well not much passenger-space as they have just the freight-drivers on them. Though, this type of ship has been built so, that it was suitable for later modifications. - One of them became the "Pride of Burgundy" so it can also carry more passengers (see extended superstructure on the stern) !! This was done before the ship came into service. www.faktaomfartyg.com/pride_of_burgundy_1993.htmThe other two of the class have been in service as freight-only ferries, but both got converted into ships that could carry more passengers - look the amazing change of design. This is the sort of ship I could imagine on a BC route, what do you think ?  www.faktaomfartyg.com/european_pathway_1991.htm |
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We are quite capable of designing our own ferries...not buy used crap, especially UGLY cr@p. I'll make an exception for some, but most of the ones around BC Ferry size range is UGLY!
