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Post by Scott on Mar 27, 2006 19:49:08 GMT -8
If one of our C-class, S-class, or V-class ships hit a rock or scraped against an island at full speed, could the result be the same as with what happened to the Queen of the North? Do they all have the same "one compartment" classification (that is if more than one compartment is flooded it will likely sink)??
I realize that everyone will be a lot more careful now because of the accident... so the chance of it happening again for a long time are pretty slim. And I still trust the crew and their training to get us across safely. But it did happen and it "could" happen again someday. I'm just wondering if one of our larger ferries would sink under the same or similar circumstances.
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Post by Doug on Mar 27, 2006 19:53:51 GMT -8
I think we will see a bomb on a ferry before one scrapes a rock and sinks.
Not only do the Mainland-Vancouver Island vessels cross mostly open water (don't pass many as many "rocks" as in the Inside Passage), but the crew is experienced in that they cross more than 10 times a day.
*Also, the Inside Passage is a lot more rugged than the Strait of Georgia, so there would definitely be a lot more submerged objects in it.
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Post by nolonger on Mar 27, 2006 19:59:41 GMT -8
C class vessels are classed as 3 compartment ships and are designed to stay afloat with 2 of 3 compartments flooded. Bottom line is yes, it could happen if all 3 compartments were breached. That is unlikely, as a vessel striking ground would tend to be pushed of the obstruction before the hull was breached that far along. However, it could happen.
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Post by Mike C on Mar 27, 2006 20:04:27 GMT -8
If one of our C-class, S-class, or V-class ships hit a rock or scraped against an island at full speed, could the result be the same as with what happened to the Queen of the North? Do they all have the same "one compartment" classification (that is if more than one compartment is flooded it will likely sink)?? I realize that everyone will be a lot more careful now because of the accident... so the chance of it happening again for a long time are pretty slim. And I still trust the crew and their training to get us across safely. But it did happen and it "could" happen again someday. I'm just wondering if one of our larger ferries would sink under the same or similar circumstances. I'm a little concerned of our smaller vessels as well. I'm not thinking of an accident where the vessel hits land and goes down because of a hole, but because of poor weather with fairly large waves. They may not have as many people on board, but my main concern is "How fast will it go down,and how long will it take for an evacuation to take place? Lets take the Mayne Queen, just as an example. Like the Queen of Cumberland, Queen of Capilano and Bowen Queen, and many more, this ferry has an opening for the ramp to come down upon the vessel. This is protected in duration some peices of rope that serve no purpose except to protect the foot passengers who try to attempt to stupidly escape the ferry while underway (This brings back memories of the guy who jumped off the SOVI to make a transfer with the Cumbie). It protects no water from entering the vessels, therefore it could easily climb aboard, exit through the other side, bringing more and more water on to the vessel bringing it down very fast. Will these people manage to get to their muster stations, and be able to get their lifeboats and lifevests on and at the ready, before the ferry is down some 800 feet below the surface, somewhere in the Gulf Islands? |
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Post by ed on Mar 27, 2006 20:08:58 GMT -8
Incidents seem to happen in clusters so another event of some type is possible. I see more likely something like what happened to the Queen of Alberni vs the Shinwa Maru back in 1992 off the Tsawwassen terminal.  |
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Post by hergfest on Mar 27, 2006 20:23:33 GMT -8
They could rebuilt the Titanic and it could hit another iceburg and sink. Anything can happen. This accident shouldn't have happened, but anything is possible. I think the Gulf Island Ferries (including Route 1) are the most likely to have an accident, just due to the geography of the area. The nice thing about the Gulf Islands is that there are always boats around so in case something does happen, help isn't far away.
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Post by ed on Mar 27, 2006 22:35:33 GMT -8
I think the Gulf Island Ferries (including Route 1) are the most likely to have an accident, just due to the geography of the area. The nice thing about the Gulf Islands is that there are always boats around so in case something does happen, help isn't far away. One approach that can at times look sketchy is the Quathiaski Cove entrance, with the current shear and strong wind it must give the helmsman a good workout. photo taken very near where she went down |
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Post by NMcKay on Mar 27, 2006 22:40:09 GMT -8
okay. first thing. the K Class are 1 compartment vessels, with 3 long seald compartments running the length of the vessel (im trying to remember plans i saw). but that meas that the 2 engines and the emergency generator are placed ABOVE the waterline, which makes them less suceptable should they strike a rock.
the older vesselss have a 2 compartment design. and they have 1 emergency generator incase the engine room floods. and these vessels even though they are old, are designed to take alot more than the QOTN, even with them topping out usually at 12 - 15 knots.
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