Queen of Nanaimo vs. Queen of Burnaby

[Ferryman]

Alright, seeming I've done this for the V-Class, I might as well do it for the last set of 7 sisters.

I will add the Queen of New Westminster into the pile whenever she returns from refit.

We start with the Forward Lounge

Nanaimo:





Burnaby:




Now we move along to the Mid Ship Lounge

Nanaimo:




Burnaby:




Mid ship-Aft lounge (Original Mid ship lounge pre stretching).

Nanaimo:





Burnaby:





Before I forget, here's the name plate at one of three staircases.

Self explanitory:




Cafeteria

Nanaimo:





Burnaby:





I think the Burnaby recieved the better refit out of the two.

[Alex]

The main difference seems to be the drop down ceiling on the Burnaby...or the lack thereof on the Nanaimo. Someone (was it Mill Bay?) commented on this I think. At first I thought they hadn't done it because they had some clearance issues or something...not enough height in the ceiling to do it...but obviously if the Burnaby had it done, so can the Nanny.

[Deleted]

i remember the burnaby on emergency duty for duke point once the queen of surrey lapped us on the way to tswassenn

[Nickfro]

Nice comparisons. As I haven't been on either of those ships in quite a while (Last time was on the Burnaby, Fall 06) I haven't seen the 'coastalization' for each of them. Does anybody know when the revamping of each interior occurred?

Thanks in advance for solving my curiosity! ;D

[Mill Bay]

We actually have a whole list of differences:

The drop ceiling is one... and then there is the fact that the Burnaby's gift shop is squeezed in the back of the cafeteria, so she has a large open space where it should be.

The Nanaimo also has lino in the open area outside the steward's office instead of carpet, and i think her children's area is somewhere else entirely, and quite a bit smaller. And on the Burnaby, that little bench there in the middle of the open space, makes it look like the commons area of a highschool.

There's also the Burnaby's enclosed solarium, although you can't get inside it as a passenger, but i do have pictures to post for comparison, maybe. And we have no idea what the upper aft lounge on the Burnaby looks like as that was off limits on her.

[Curtis]

Here's the Upper Mid-Ship Lounge on the Burnaby.


and the Upper Aft Lounge on the Burnaby.

[Nick]

The Burnaby was coastalized in the spring of 2007. I have no idea when the Nanaimo was done.

[Curtis]

Sept 3, 2008 22:55:16 GMT -8 Nick said:

I have no idea when the Nanaimo was done.

The Nanaimo was done in the Fall/Winter of 2005.

As for Pricing the Nanaimo was done for Around 14 Million. The Burnaby was done for 3 Million, All she really needed was a bit of Coastalization, most of her other work was from her Seattle-Victoria days. The chairs aren't even bolted to the floor...Which is sort of a good thing. And the New Westminster crushes the other two combined at a whopping 50 million.

[Retrovision]

I wish that I could the photos I took of the Queen of Nanaimo's interior before her Coastalization, but if I can't find them easily soon I'll scan a few B&W printoffs that I made of them and publish those here. The Queen of Nanaimo's interior was - of course - very similar to that of the Queen of New Westminster's, for which I made this collection on my Fotopic site a while ago after documenting her upper decks thoroughly before her Coastalization:
Chameleon of the Fleet - Queen of New Westminster Pre Major Upgrade

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Curtis/Ship-Rider: btw, many of the Queen of Nanaimo's seats are similarly not bolted down and just sitting on the carpets, particularly in the Forward Observation Lounge.

[Taxman]

The Nanaimo and Burnaby are clearly different above the water line, but distinctly remember someone saying that the reason the Burnaby is on the Comox-Westview route is that she has only one bow thruster while the Nanaimo has 2. I have also read that the Bs when becoming Vs received thier second bow thruster.

I am curious as to if this below the belt (or rubbing strake) difference is actual, and if so why this difference was added or included in construction, as both boats serviced the same route when constructed.

Any insight would be insightful

[Deleted]

I think because the Nanny has a lot more maneuvering to do then the Burnaby .But thats only a guess.

[ferryfanyvr]

I thought the difference in the number of bow thrusters between the Burnaby and Nanaimo was the other way around. I seem to remember that the Burnaby had a second bow thruster installed when she was picked for the Comox-Powell River route. Something to do with how difficult is to dock at Little River during high winds which are common in that area during the winter.

[Ferryman]

The Nanny definitely has two bow props, and the Burnaby has one.

www.pbase.com/kstapleton/image/27439180

My theory is because the Nanny is always having to reverse and turn around at all of her milk run stops, with the exception of Long Harbour, the extra thruster would allow for faster turn around. The extra thruster might even be handy for the tight turn upon departure of Long Harbour.

I had the opportunity to steer both the Nanaimo and Burnaby this summer, and despite them looking the same, they both handle completely different. The Nanny has the Queen of Tsawwassens old wooden wheel, and could actually probably turn the wheel all of the way over with one finger. The Burnaby on the other hand is a pain to steer. The wheel is really stiff to turn, and you actually have to throw in some strength to get her to respond. She also tends to drift to the right, so you have to really keep your eye on the compass.

[Scott (Former Account)]

Nov 5, 2008 17:48:47 GMT -8 Ferryman said:

The Nanny has the Queen of Tsawwassens old wooden wheel

She has the Sidney's, not the Tsawwassen's...

[Taxman]

Interesting, so we have established that there is the difference, I wonder WHEN the change happened, was it when the nani moved to the SGI?

[Mill Bay]

Nov 5, 2008 17:48:47 GMT -8 Ferryman said:

She also tends to drift to the right, so you have to really keep your eye on the compass.

She drifts to the right...? the RIGHT!!!

What's right man? ... and you want to be a captain... time to review the nautical terminology one more time.

Which way does she tend to fall off? ... to starboard, I would presume. Funny that the Tsawwassen also seemed to have the same problem, and tended to drift to starboard on her own.

[Deleted]

When the boat slides virtically when running its because of the propellers.
If both propellers are spinning the same way it will ease off the way they are pushing
.It's very hard to understand

[Neil]

Nov 6, 2008 15:44:06 GMT -8 @kieran said:

When the boat slides virtically when running its because of the propellers.
If both propellers are spinning the same way it will ease off the way they are pushing
.It's very hard to understand

I guess you have to start by understanding that if a boat slides 'virtically' (sic) when running, it's heading for the bottom of the ocean. That's generally not because of the propellers, but because it has a hole in it.

[D'Elete BC in NJ]

Nov 6, 2008 17:21:38 GMT -8 Neil said:

Nov 6, 2008 15:44:06 GMT -8 @kieran said:

When the boat slides virtically when running its because of the propellers.
If both propellers are spinning the same way it will ease off the way they are pushing
.It's very hard to understand

I guess you have to start by understanding that if a boat slides 'virtically' (sic) when running, it's heading for the bottom of the ocean. That's generally not because of the propellers, but because it has a hole in it.

Thanks Neil, you made me laugh at that.

Alright...deKIERANizing that statement...what he's saying is that if both props are rotating in the same direction, the ship will fall off course due to the imbalance in thrust. Then he says it very hard to understand.

[Quatchi]

Of course this doesn't apply to the V's and B's as the props are counter rotating. Its probably due to slight imperfections in the hull from side to side.

Cheers,

[Ferryman]

After sitting down in the shaft tunnel on the Queen of Tsawwassen during her second to last evening of service, I was able to note that even her fixed props were spinning in opposite directions. The Port side propellar was spinning clockwise, and the Starboard side propellar was spinning counter-clockwise. So I'm assuming the other ships are the same.

[Hardy]

Twin-screw ships (and twin-prop planes) tend to have contra-rotating props, for the very reason of balancing "thrust". A single-screw, much like a mono-prop (think WWII fighter planes) tend to turn easier ONE direction than the other -- the direction of the rotation of their prop. On a lot of ships, it is overcome by having the "neutral" position of the rudder actually off-centre slightly to counter the effect. It isn't really hard to understand, even when Keyran-ized.

[CFG]

The tendency to 'pull' in one direction or the other can also sometimes be caused simply by wind and current conditions. This could have been the case on the Burnaby when you were at the helm. I curious to know approximately where you were on the Comox run, because the currents are sometime quite high near Little River.

As for the Nanny, yes there are currents in the SGI but I have another theory. When you ride any ferry, which are all displacement hulls, through active pass you will notice that they lean towards the outside of the corner. The opposite of a motorcycle. Because the Nanny is loaded/unloaded in a unique pattern it sometimes has uneven loads. This can even be seen sometimes by looking at the ship from the exterior. When a ship lists to one side the hull goes from being even in the water along the center line of flow to having a curved shape which initiates a course change. So my theory is simply that the Nanny may not have been loaded evenly and thus had a tendency to drift off course.

So yeah thats my two cents on two different theories that could make two different ships do the same thing.

[Hardy]

Well made point about the loading arrangement on the QoN when she is on the SGI run. As I have mentioned before, having to "come around" when loading at Tsawwassen, or back on even, with a truck, can be a large pain in the posterior region. The venerable old QoN often runs with both a list and a lisp ...

[Ferryman]

I was at the helm of the Burnaby once we had cleared the gap between Harwood Island and Texada Island as we were leaving Powell River until we were a ways out in the Strait. No course changes to be done, just had to keep her on a course of 250 degrees.

With the Nanny, I really got to feel how she handles. I was at the helm of her from the mouth of Active Pass, and we travelled up Trincomali Channel on the East side of Portland Island, until we reached the mouth of Long Harbour at Salt Spring Island. Not bad for a yet to be qualified Deckhand/Quartermaster ;D.