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Post by hwy19man on Aug 29, 2007 0:20:24 GMT -8
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Aug 29, 2007 7:04:11 GMT -8
The first few Saturday's that does not happen. However, it is an improvement that after the period they will reinstate it.
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Post by hwy19man on Aug 30, 2007 13:39:03 GMT -8
That is true Political but on Oct. 20 and Nov. 3 the sailing is delayed 45 minutes until 2330h. This is for the BC Lions games. For my friends and I, we like this reinstatement because we can go and watch the Canucks play on Saturday nights again. We did not go to any Sat. games last season because the 2245h sailing was cut.
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Post by Hardy on Aug 30, 2007 21:35:42 GMT -8
That is true Political but on Oct. 20 and Nov. 3 the sailing is delayed 45 minutes until 2330h. This is for the BC Lions games. For my friends and I, we like this reinstatement because we can go and watch the Canucks play on Saturday nights again. We did not go to any Sat. games last season because the 2245h sailing was cut. This is a VERY valid point Hwy19Man ... may I be so bold as to suggest that you forward this comment along with the fact that you are pleased with the reinstatement of the evening sailings on this route to both BCFS and to OrcaBay Entertainment? We know that BCFS has worked with the BC Lions to provide sailings, and we know that they have done so for other charity, concert and so on events -- knowing that hockey fans (and soccer for that matter too) need the later evening sailings to get back home can be a good motivating factor. Whenever another corporate source can add leverage onto the quasi-private BCFS, then that is a good thing. They can do their fancy cross-marketing deals and make sure that the "break point" for being revenue generating sailings are attained. But then again, I could be being too logical for a quasi-private corporate entity. Heck, I only run my own successful small business, but what do I know. |
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Post by Scott on Aug 31, 2007 17:08:25 GMT -8
On the BC Ferries website they've announced that they're "title sponsors" of the Vancouver Canucks training camp in Victoria. So maybe some increased cooperation is on the way?
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Post by Curtis on Aug 31, 2007 17:43:51 GMT -8
On the BC Ferries website they've announced that they're "title sponsors" of the Vancouver Canucks training camp in Victoria. So maybe some increased cooperation is on the way? Well if that's the case, All Aboard the Orca Expresses From Tsawwassen to Duke Point and to Swartz Bay |
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Post by kylefossett on Aug 31, 2007 17:44:25 GMT -8
On the BC Ferries website they've announced that they're "title sponsors" of the Vancouver Canucks training camp in Victoria. So maybe some increased cooperation is on the way? i have been told that there is something in the works between the two "companies". this comes from a realiable source. look for something in the early new year, january february |
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Post by DENelson83 on Aug 31, 2007 21:35:41 GMT -8
On the BC Ferries website they've announced that they're "title sponsors" of the Vancouver Canucks training camp in Victoria. So maybe some increased cooperation is on the way? i have been told that there is something in the works between the two "companies". this comes from a realiable source. look for something in the early new year, january february What, like a hockey game on board a Super-C?  |
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Post by Hardy on Sept 1, 2007 1:28:27 GMT -8
i have been told that there is something in the works between the two "companies". this comes from a realiable source. look for something in the early new year, january february This would only make logical sense as a follow on to what they have been doing in support/in conjunction with the BC Lions football team. The co-branding also makes huge sense from a corporate standpoint too. While you will rarely fill a boat/extra sailing with JUST the traffic generated by a single sporting/concert event, it is a Date-Certain that they can plan an extra sailing around, and then therefore advertise in the media and have a very good chance to fill. As I stated previous in the thread, a sports event should likely be able to generate enough traffic to hit that break-even point (assuming that the crew is not into costly OT at the point of the initial sailing). The other thing that these "co-sponsored" sailings can do, is they can change the scheduled sailing times around to accommodate the fans coming from the event. Say the last Tsa-SWB is 2100 that day. Delay it to 2200 so that the people leaving the event can still make the sailing. Again, that is the beauty of the Date-Certain aspect of an event -- you can adjust, advertise and ultimately fill and turn a tidy profit. Just makes smart business sense. Bravo to the much-maligned corp for planning ahead somewhat - lets see how they actually go about this before we start scheduling celebratory parades (other than the Stanley Cup parade, of course!) |
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Post by Northern Exploration on Sept 1, 2007 5:28:41 GMT -8
A lot of my family are hockey players and live on the Island. I know there are many times that they would have taken some later ferry after their games rather than have to stay over night. I know that this is only a few people compared to what a ferry can hold. But it would be interesting to know if one of the routes to the Island had one late night service how many people besides the commercial traffic would use it.
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Post by hwy19man on Sept 1, 2007 13:54:47 GMT -8
A lot of my family are hockey players and live on the Island. I know there are many times that they would have taken some later ferry after their games rather than have to stay over night. I know that this is only a few people compared to what a ferry can hold. But it would be interesting to know if one of the routes to the Island had one late night service how many people besides the commercial traffic would use it. You would be surprised how many non-commercial vehicles and passengers there are on the 2245h sailing from TSA to DP when the Canucks play at home. The upper car deck on the Alberni is usually about half full. |
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Post by Hardy on Sept 1, 2007 15:43:00 GMT -8
You would be surprised how many non-commercial vehicles and passengers there are on the 2245h sailing from TSA to DP when the Canucks play at home. The upper car deck on the Alberni is usually about half full. I agree with this -- and if anyone has the access to load factor stats, I am sure that there is a DIRECT correlation between sporting/concert events and passenger-vehicle loads on the Tsa-DP 2245 sailings. Having taken that particular sailing on a REGULAR basis, I know that there are some (20-ish) car-travellers that just like the convenience of a late sailing (or have missed the 2100/2135 sailing and driven down/waited). On game days/concerts, I have seen 50-65% load on those upper decks (that should be about 50-55 cars) -- DOUBLE the standard loads that I observed. So what does this informal survey/observation lead us to believe? Draw your own conclusions .... |
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Post by kylefossett on Sept 1, 2007 16:12:42 GMT -8
if you wanna see ferry loads in relation to sporting events then look at the last few cfl western finals at bc place. these games kickoff around 1pm and are over by 4pm. the morning sailings to the mainland until about the 10am sailing are usually insane. the return sailings from 6pm on are alson usually fairly busy.
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Post by Scott on Sept 1, 2007 19:54:40 GMT -8
What happens in the playoffs the next time the Canucks go to quadruple overtime?  Hold the boat!!! |
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Post by queenofcowichan on Sept 4, 2007 15:20:20 GMT -8
I am actually shocked that they decided to put the Inspiration on route 30! So this will mean that one C-Class (2 in Summer) ships will remain on route 2.
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Post by staffer on Sept 10, 2007 17:36:04 GMT -8
That is true Political but on Oct. 20 and Nov. 3 the sailing is delayed 45 minutes until 2330h. This is for the BC Lions games. For my friends and I, we like this reinstatement because we can go and watch the Canucks play on Saturday nights again. We did not go to any Sat. games last season because the 2245h sailing was cut. This is a VERY valid point Hwy19Man ... may I be so bold as to suggest that you forward this comment along with the fact that you are pleased with the reinstatement of the evening sailings on this route to both BCFS and to OrcaBay Entertainment? We know that BCFS has worked with the BC Lions to provide sailings, and we know that they have done so for other charity, concert and so on events -- knowing that hockey fans (and soccer for that matter too) need the later evening sailings to get back home can be a good motivating factor. Whenever another corporate source can add leverage onto the quasi-private BCFS, then that is a good thing. They can do their fancy cross-marketing deals and make sure that the "break point" for being revenue generating sailings are attained. But then again, I could be being too logical for a quasi-private corporate entity. Heck, I only run my own successful small business, but what do I know. Most of you are too logical for the higher-ups. It is just too bad that they don't understand all of your logic.  I hate to burst your bubble hwy19man.  There was a typing error on the schedule and unfortunately as of Oct. 9 the last two sailings on route 30 will be daily except Saturday. |
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Post by hwy19man on Sept 11, 2007 14:56:58 GMT -8
This is a VERY valid point Hwy19Man ... may I be so bold as to suggest that you forward this comment along with the fact that you are pleased with the reinstatement of the evening sailings on this route to both BCFS and to OrcaBay Entertainment? We know that BCFS has worked with the BC Lions to provide sailings, and we know that they have done so for other charity, concert and so on events -- knowing that hockey fans (and soccer for that matter too) need the later evening sailings to get back home can be a good motivating factor. Whenever another corporate source can add leverage onto the quasi-private BCFS, then that is a good thing. They can do their fancy cross-marketing deals and make sure that the "break point" for being revenue generating sailings are attained. But then again, I could be being too logical for a quasi-private corporate entity. Heck, I only run my own successful small business, but what do I know. Most of you are too logical for the higher-ups. It is just too bad that they don't understand all of your logic. I hate to burst your bubble hwy19man. There was a typing error on the schedule and unfortunately as of Oct. 9 the last two sailings on route 30 will be daily except Saturday.   That is unfair. Raising a lot hockey fans hopes and crashing them. I know I use this cliche many times but, BCF seriously missed the boat on this one. The advertising of the Canucks on the ferries' website and not doing any 2245h sailings for the Canucks seven Saturday home games is a total joke.  |
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Post by Neil on Sept 11, 2007 15:37:56 GMT -8
Vancouver Canucks season tickets, and multi-game packages, account for 17,000 of the 18,630 GM Place capacity. How many of those are held by Vancouver Island people? Next to none, I'll bet.
That leaves 1,630 tickets available for each game. Again, how many of those are going to be Islanders? Sure, there are a handful of people coming over for each game, and no doubt they complain if they can't get back the same night. But I'm sure BC Ferries knows exactly what the demand is.
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Post by Hardy on Sept 11, 2007 16:49:03 GMT -8
But I'm sure BC Ferries knows exactly what the demand is. I beg to differ with this presumption. I can list numerous instances where this surely has turned out to be obvious that they have been caught unaware, or turned out just not to care. |
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Post by Neil on Sept 11, 2007 17:10:37 GMT -8
Hardy: I wasn't making a general statement; I was refering specifically to the hockey situation. In many other cases, you're right. In any event, they don't need to care- they're legally mandated to provide a minimum level of service, and above that, only what can pay for itself.
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Post by Hardy on Sept 15, 2007 19:37:26 GMT -8
In any event, they don't need to care- they're legally mandated to provide a minimum level of service, and above that, only what can pay for itself. Understood. However, seeing that they are the monopoly, I would think that if someone in the customer relations department had a say with regards to providing ADEQUATE (not minimum) service, then it may be a different case. I know that with different crewing levels and different shift times, it is hard to have a hard-and-fast "break even point", but you would think that the Terminal Mgrs or the overall operations department should be able to "crunch" those numbers and either pull-the-trigger on an extra sailing or kibosh it -- without having to wait right up to sailing time. As I have pushed and pushed and pushed -- if you add the extra sailings early enough and ADVERTISE them (website, radio, tv) you can get enough of a load factor to make the sailing pay for itself, or at least come pretty close to it. Deadheading is always an issue and a problem, and I would say that if you do have to deadhead, take the minimal load that is there as you are burning the fuel anyways -- at least recover some of the costs -- you can always run a skeleton crew to serve the passengers and the rest can start the shut-down and clean up. |
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There was a typing error on the schedule and unfortunately as of Oct. 9 the last two sailings on route 30 will be daily except Saturday. 
