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Post by Retrovision on Jun 1, 2006 19:35:17 GMT -8
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Koastal Karl
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jun 2, 2006 8:24:49 GMT -8
ah yeah right on! We were on her 1 day before her birthday month! HAPPY BIRTHDAY CAPPIE!! One thing she needs for her bday is new paint job! Looks like she is a bit rusty in some areas!
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Neil
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Post by Neil on Jun 2, 2006 11:19:23 GMT -8
Does anyone know what the Queen of Capilano is named for? The mountain? The river? The Mall? With every other 'Queen' in the fleet it's pretty evident what it's named for, but I've always wondered about 'Capilano'.
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Post by Curtis on Jun 2, 2006 15:23:46 GMT -8
Probably the Mountain and the River not the mall
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Post by Curtis on Jun 2, 2006 15:54:04 GMT -8
Happy Birthday Cappie this was the scene at Horseshoe Bay last Sunday Both the Queens of Coquitlam and Capilano leaving at almost the same time  It's the Horseshoe Bay Squad!! |
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Post by Neil on Jun 2, 2006 18:21:35 GMT -8
Probably the Mountain and the River not the mall Not named after the mall? D'ya think? |
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Post by Mike C on Jun 2, 2006 18:32:23 GMT -8
Here's the Cappie pulling out of HSB to Bowen.  Again, 14 years of faithful service to Bowen Island!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY CAPPIE!! (the ferry of the nearby shopping center) |
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Post by Doug on Jun 2, 2006 20:53:33 GMT -8
Probably the small settlement in the area.
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Post by Balfour on Jun 2, 2006 22:19:33 GMT -8
Actually it's named after the Capilano River which is a block away from my house. It is also the dividing line between North Vancouver and West Vancouver.
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Post by Neil on Jun 2, 2006 22:24:43 GMT -8
Thank you. Although it would have made more sense, in that case, to call it the 'Capilano Queen', as with the other river-named boat, 'Skeena Queen'.
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Post by Retrovision on Jun 3, 2006 2:15:21 GMT -8
'Cumberland Queen' would then be necessary.
I think that their having 'Queen of' as the prefix has a lot to do with the fact that they're Intermediate-Class (Cappie and Cumberland).
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 3, 2006 7:45:39 GMT -8
I wonder if Capilano was somehow a politically-influenced name choice. My reasons:
- The Cumberland name is logically a political one, considering that the NDP was in power, that they named (and put a sign up) on Hwy-19 in Cumberland to honour Ginger Goodwin, who was a labour hero (someone will likley correct me on this, please do)......so that's likely why they named a ship after a small inland village of Cumberland, because of the labour ties.
- Queen of Chilliwack was also named around the same time, and that was likely some more NDP payoff re a Chilliwack MLA who was NDP.
So, based on the naming of Cumberland & Chilliwack, I conclude that Capilano must also have a political intent.....I just don't know what it is.
Feel free to jump in and let me know........maybe it's a first-nations appeasement thing, re their traditional lands at the Cap river?
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Post by Neil on Jun 3, 2006 8:22:55 GMT -8
......so that's likely why they named a ship after a small inland village of Cumberland, because of the labour ties. - Queen of Chilliwack was also named around the same time, and that was likely some more NDP payoff re a Chilliwack MLA who was NDP. So, based on the naming of Cumberland & Chilliwack, I conclude that Capilano must also have a political intent.....I just don't know what it is. Feel free to jump in and let me know........maybe it's a first-nations appeasement thing, re their traditional lands at the Cap river? My, and I thought I was cynical... I don't think the NDP was quite so dumb as to think they could buy any first nations votes with the naming of a ferry. |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 3, 2006 9:01:00 GMT -8
......maybe not to "buy votes", but quite possibly the cappie-naming was part of an ushering-in of a new era of political correctness........remembering how the "PC Sting" was unleashed in 1991-1992, with the new NDP gov't.
I think it's a possible theory.
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Post by Neil on Jun 3, 2006 9:41:50 GMT -8
As it turns out, the Queen of Capilano was named and launched before the NDP were elected. Sorry, 'Nanaimo.
I think that 'political correctness' is actually much more the purview of the political right; they just tend to think their ideas are truth, and that it's the left who are biased.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 3, 2006 9:44:37 GMT -8
hey, thanks for the correction.
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Post by Retrovision on Jun 3, 2006 13:18:54 GMT -8
I think that 'political correctness' is actually much more the purview of the political right; they just tend to think their ideas are truth, or, their ' right'  ...and that it's the left who are biased. One of their un-PC terms (and way of referring to, while at the same time aiding in their control of the media) comes to mind: "Liberal Media Bias" --======================================================-- Check out this, just a grain of sand on the beach of right-wing propaganda out there today: thesourcedaily.com/?gclid=CJC3oqyHq4UCFUJNGAodKQXnxg...Isn't that funny, I would use the very first line on that page to argue the complete opposite. |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 3, 2006 14:23:44 GMT -8
Some interesting excerpts from the BC Legislature minutes (Hansard), regarding the Q-Capilano, from June 10, 1992:
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G. Wilson: This brings me to my final set of questions. It has to do with the construction of the Queen of Capilano and the Queen of Cumberland. The minister will know that I requested he provide information some months ago with respect to the Capilano. We know that the Capilano seems to have spent more time in drydock for repair, refitting and reworking than it has in service. I'm just speculating on the number of days; I don't have that information. I'm well aware of the technical-mechanical problem -- I understand what's wrong with the vessel -- but could the minister tell us who's paying for trying to get it correct, and is it under warranty? If it is under warranty, is there currently a dispute with respect to the warranty, or are we going to have smooth sailing -- no pun intended?
My second question is, given that the legs which were put into the Capilano were put into the Cumberland with some modification.... I understand the Cumberland now faces similar problems, and I wonder if the minister can comment on that. This seems to be a kind of cost nightmare in terms of trying to get these two vessels into service.
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G. Wilson: Could the minister give us a figure as to how much the cost of the repair and the service work and all of that kind of thing has been with respect to the Queen of Capilano; and how long has the Cumberland been in service without problems?
Hon. G. Clark: We don't know how much it's costing because we're not paying and we haven't asked. I suspect it's quite a bit. There's a fair amount of retrofitting. No, we're not paying. They're the ones dealing with it entirely. The Queen of Cumberland hasn't been, it's true, in service very long. The legs were modified, which is part of the problem. They're in trials, and it's performing fine as we speak. So it's true that it hasn't had months and months of service yet to test it, but it was modified. They have been modified again in keeping with concerns that have been raised, and because that other corporation is paying the bills, you can be sure that they took extra care in the way in which they were designed for the Cumberland. There have been some design modifications, but it does appear at the moment to be performing well.
G. Wilson: Surely, though, the corporation must be billing Ulstein Maritime for the costs incurred of having to take the ferry up in service and take it back out of service when it ran aground. I know there was welding or some service work and repair work done on it. There was a tug required to stand by and to essentially escort it in and out of its dock for a number of days, which would have cost money. Are all of those costs to the B.C. Ferry Corporation going to be handed off to this company with respect to the warranty?
Hon. G. Clark: Those are some of the issues we're negotiating with the company now. In fact, Frank Rhodes advises me that they met yesterday on some of these very questions. I don't know the answer to how much in fact we've paid out, which we're dealing with. I don't know the answer. I can provide the answer if the member wants, but I don't know precisely
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Post by Neil on Jun 3, 2006 14:31:42 GMT -8
Isn't it always the way? Right wing governments build lousy ferries, and the NDP has to come in and clean up the mess.... |
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Post by Balfour on Jun 4, 2006 17:26:44 GMT -8
Keep in mind that after the NDP cleans up messes, they make new bigger ones like the fast cats. Keep in mind that it was a right-wing government that built the V's when WAC Bennet was in power.
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Post by Retrovision on Jun 4, 2006 17:31:49 GMT -8
Keep in mind that after the NDP cleans up messes, they make new bigger ones like the fast cats. Keep in mind that it was a right-wing government that built the V's when WAC Bennet was in power. Both of those administrations have one key similarity: They both were defined largely by 'mega-projects' where most of the impetus came directly from the leader of the time, and not necessarily from the concensus of the party that the leader represented. |
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Post by Neil on Jun 4, 2006 17:35:35 GMT -8
Keep in mind that after the NDP cleans up messes, they make new bigger ones like the fast cats. Keep in mind that it was a right-wing government that built the V's when WAC Bennet was in power. 'Keep in mind' that my comment was, obviously(I thought) tongue in cheek... |
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