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Post by Retrovision on Dec 13, 2006 16:12:40 GMT -8
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Post by Curtis on Dec 13, 2006 16:58:04 GMT -8
That's odd that they would delay it.
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Post by Neil on Dec 13, 2006 17:21:12 GMT -8
No odder than posting seven words.
It's too bad that they're making it clear they want to spend absolutely as little as possible on the old scow. Obviously, Denman and Hornby customers don't have much to look forward to in regard to the Quinitsa.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 13, 2006 17:33:17 GMT -8
I wonder about this phrase from the press release:
Does this mean that BCFS couldn't afford the market prices, because of high labour / materials costs? ie. is this another example of how the labour shortage in BC is now making it problematic for required work to be done on various industrial projects?
It sounds to me like maybe all the quotes received from their RFP came back too high for their liking.
So I wonder if it is a case of BCFS being cheap, or if it's a case of the labour shortage and high material prices increasing the market price for such work.
I wonder....as I've seen this phenomenon elsewhere in business, where required repair/renovation work is now being delayed because of contractor unavailability, or because of unexpected inflation.
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Here's a half-serious musing:
- I wonder if BCFS would be considering looking to Washington State or Alaska yards for doing this upgrade work. Would a Puget-Sound or Ketchikan bid be something that BCFS would spin as a "more competitive bid" ?
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 13, 2006 17:37:26 GMT -8
Either they found alot more needed work then they had first thought, which would cost more and take longer to complete. Or, they're just being typical...cheap...as hornbyguy has said. It will look good on the outside, but not good on the inside. It will be interesting to see what happens when next year when it returns to service. What are they going to do, if something actually happens with the Ferry, which causes the loss of someones life?
On another note.......does anyone know if/where the Quinitsa is currently drydocked?
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Dec 13, 2006 18:29:59 GMT -8
...think Sonia...  |
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Post by Mike C on Dec 14, 2006 14:02:34 GMT -8
What are they going to do, if something actually happens with the Ferry, which causes the loss of someones life? then the last straw has arrived: HAHN MUST GO. They'll be kicking themselves in the butt, because they (BCF) never really seems to take the "What If's" into consideration. BC Ferries will regret being cheapskates, and they'll appologize to kingdom come, but that's no excuse to put people's safety at risk to save money on something that they can easily afford (if they can blow $40 million on the Alberni, they must have some savings left, like maybe $4 or $5 million if they're willing to spend that much. |
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Post by Barnacle on Dec 14, 2006 16:58:30 GMT -8
Another thought that isn't being taken into account is that maybe BCF is , like other government agencies I could mention (coughcoughWSFcough), tired of being considered a cash cow by private industry? Until recently, shipyards would trip all over themselves to get a WSF bid because they knew they could push their price up "just a bit" to make a little extra money.
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Post by Dane on Dec 14, 2006 17:26:32 GMT -8
Heres some points to consider:
1. Every shipyward actively used by BC Ferries is busy right now, almost all by BCFS, and all moreso than usual
2. The shipyards BCFS doesn't use are fufilling a Navy contracts
3. Someone already said, the Sonia. Unexpected costs and resources attached to it
4. There's a new ship about to come online
5. The vessel is not in dire need
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Post by Scott on Dec 14, 2006 23:56:43 GMT -8
.... Or, they're just being typical...cheap...as hornbyguy has said. It will look good on the outside, but not good on the inside. ..... We're talking about the Quinitsa here, she'll need a new superstructure to look good on the outside:) And maybe they'll replace the hard chairs with some of those massage chairs they have on the major vessels ... another way to make a bit of money:) |
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Post by oceaneer77 on Dec 16, 2006 12:57:42 GMT -8
Hornby guy do you remember ten years ago when the qunitsa was servicing denman/ buckey bay and had only one of 4 engines in servce and a small tug tied to her side to keep the service going!
I bet that the charter of the tug was not cheap!
It realy was unbeleivable that transport canada even let the vessel sail in that condition.. you hope that the company has learned its lessons... we will see
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Post by Neil on Dec 16, 2006 23:49:22 GMT -8
No, I didn't get up there then, I guess. Would have been entertaining. Don't imagine she would have moved any slower that she normally does.
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Post by Queen of Nanaimo Teen on Dec 18, 2006 19:13:50 GMT -8
If the MLU did happen soon, would would they change on her?
Would there be any huge changes in appearence?
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 18, 2006 19:27:42 GMT -8
BC Ferries was planning on enclosing the car deck, and then cutting her in half vertically, and adding an 80 foot section. Once she is lengthened, she would be cut in half again, this time horizontally, just below the bridge, and then lifted to accomadate another vehicle deck. This would be done, so she could be the 4th vessel that will operate on Route 1 in the summer, once the V's have been retired. ........................... Sorry, I couldn't resist, I haven't made any jokes to anyone for over a week, so now I feel like a grumpy old bear. Now I feel like myself again  . ........................ But now, in all seriousness........The largest change in appearance would be below decks, in the engine room, as she was to recieve new engines. |
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Post by Scott on Dec 19, 2006 0:22:03 GMT -8
That would be the first of the mini-c class vessels. I believe the Quinsam would have the same done in 2010, the Kahloke in 2012, the Klitsa in 2014. Not to mention the Kuleet and Klatawa having the same operation done when they're released from the Albion run. I'm looking forward to seeing the new Hornby Island terminal with an upper and lower loading ramp to accommodate these new beauties;)
PS. I forgot to mention the new Passages and Triple-O vending machines that will be located beside the refurbished men's washroom.
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Post by Curtis on Dec 19, 2006 7:56:02 GMT -8
LOL! There's always a good joke here. and most of the time it is funny.
Could easily see then doing something like stretching one of these ships.
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Post by Doug on Dec 19, 2006 16:37:41 GMT -8
I could see Nick dreaming of the day the Kathloke becomes as big as an "S" Class ship.  |
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Post by Balfour on Dec 19, 2006 21:25:37 GMT -8
Slicing and Dicing must be part of the newbuild program in BCF's hidden agenda... ;D
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 20, 2006 9:59:26 GMT -8
........................ But now, in all seriousness........The largest change in appearance would be below decks, in the engine room, as she was to recieve new engines. So much for our local shipbuilding industry ever truly getting started again. I'm not saying that the Quinitsa doesn't have some life left in her, but the trend of avoiding giving the local shipyards any substantial buisness seems to be showing itself more and more. |
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Post by Dane on Dec 20, 2006 12:43:46 GMT -8
I still think if we look too local shipyards we would see a lack of availability right now....
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 25, 2006 21:07:41 GMT -8
I still think if we look too local shipyards we would see a lack of availability right now.... Hmm, I wonder how that happens to be the case. |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 26, 2006 10:07:16 GMT -8
I still think if we look too local shipyards we would see a lack of availability right now.... Hmm, I wonder how that happens to be the case. I'm not understanding your wink-wink slyness here. Being straight-up (for once), I'm thinking that the local shipyards are busy because of military contracts, regular work, and of course the Sonia transformation. So, I suspect your wink-wink was in reference to the Sonia work being pushed through by BC Ferries. Let me know if I've interpreted incorrectly...thanks. |
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 26, 2006 10:15:59 GMT -8
Hmm, I wonder how that happens to be the case. I'm not understanding your wink-wink slyness here. Being straight-up (for once), I'm thinking that the local shipyards are busy because of military contracts, regular work, and of course the Sonia transformation. So, I suspect your wink-wink was in reference to the Sonia work being pushed through by BC Ferries. Let me know if I've interpreted incorrectly...thanks. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought that it would be quite clear to anyone who knows a little about B.C.'s political history what I was referring to. I stand to be corrected, but hasn't B.C.'s shipbuilding industry suffered for years from a lack of government investment? |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 26, 2006 10:26:26 GMT -8
I don't know if the problem (for Quinitsa) is lack of yard capacity, or lack of yard equipment/expertise. Either way, I'm not qualified enough to give an opinion on that....I'll rely on our more learned members. |
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 26, 2006 10:42:26 GMT -8
I don't know if the problem (for Quinitsa) is lack of yard capacity, or lack of yard equipment/expertise. Either way, I'm not qualified enough to give an opinion on that....I'll rely on our more learned members. Capacity, equipment, expertise, all take investment was my point there, but I too will defer to those in the know. |
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