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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jun 30, 2006 14:43:19 GMT -8
What will be the next to be built after the Super Cs and Northern class are built? Should there be a special truck ferry class where the entire main car deck is meant for commercial vehicles? Should it be a replacement for the C class? BCF says they are going to replace 15 ships and we have 6 that have been replaced for sure, will the next nine be minor vessels? What will replace them? What kind of design?
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Post by Curtis on Jun 30, 2006 15:01:18 GMT -8
Lets see the other 9 are probably the B Class=3, the Tenaka, Tachek, and QQII=6, and the PR Class=9 and don't forget the Queen of Tsawwassen which=10 that will finish the 60s ships
Probabley next we'll see replacements for the B Class
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Post by Balfour on Jun 30, 2006 23:44:15 GMT -8
I figure we'll know what will replace the B class somewhere between 2010 and 2012. For a replacement for the B's I'd like to see something with a closed car deck and some decent amentities, but nothing too fancy.
Chances are for the minor repacements we'll see something with an open air car deck, perhaps with side lounges. Of course, sizing of these ships depends on the needs of the communities
Who really knows what will happen, this is just my speculation...
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Post by DENelson83 on Jul 2, 2006 1:26:55 GMT -8
Chances are for the minor repacements we'll see something with an open air car deck... Sort of like the bigger Washington State Ferry vessels? |
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Post by Curtis on Jul 2, 2006 10:39:20 GMT -8
A Jumbo MK II type vessel might be okay on Tsawwassen-SGI
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jul 2, 2006 11:30:20 GMT -8
BCF may want to do a cost study of how much they would have to charge per car space on the vessel in order to find out what is feasable for the route. Open air car deck in the Georgia Strait would be good in the summer, winter is probably a no. Due to the fact of weather and waves.
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Post by Balfour on Jul 2, 2006 12:05:46 GMT -8
Open air car decks are good in sheltered areas such as inter-island runs, for example the Fulford-Swartz Bay run.
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Post by Neil on Jul 4, 2006 22:35:48 GMT -8
Might be easier to say what we won't see any more of; I would guess, for one, that we'll never see any new small, single ended vessels like the Tenaka and Tachek/Quadra Queen, which is too bad, because it seems that most of us quite like those little ferries. All of the shorter southern island routes are surely going to be served by double enders- maybe the only exception anywhere might be if they build or buy a small ship for the Discovery Coast region.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 6, 2006 15:37:27 GMT -8
re HornbyGuy's comment,re the demise of the single-ended small ship:
I think that on a route such as Quadra-Cortes, there is a need for such a single-ended small ship......as the seas get rough, so a raised-bow, semi-enclosed ship is needed. Same with Westview-Texada route, as there is a stretch of stormy water to cross.
So the comical-looking tuglike ship should still be needed here on the coast. The master of the Tenaka told me that if the current ships were to be replaced with a bunch of interchangable clones (my choice of words, not his), then this would force a bunch of dockwork, as current docks in most northern routes are historically sized to fit the older quirky vessels.
But I can see the use of cookie-cutter barge-like ferries, like Quinsam, Quinitsa, Kahloke......similar types, but maybe a few different sizes (just like a set of matching tupperware!).
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Post by Neil on Jul 6, 2006 16:07:08 GMT -8
"Comical-looking"?..... "Tuglike"?..... Them's fightin' words, pal. You don't wanna rile us Tachek/Tenaka lovers.
"Cookie-cutter barge-like ferries".... well okay, I'll cut you some slack there, when you're talking about the likes of the Quinsam/Quinitsa and the K's. You could even add 'floating parking lots'.
I hope you're right about the possible need for double ended ferries on open water, 'Nanaimo. It's just that, when we see BC Ferries regularly scheduling an open deck, low sided ferry like the Bowen Queen to cross southern Georgia Strait, it makes me think that they don't consider that much of a factor anymore.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 7, 2006 14:17:17 GMT -8
"Comical-looking"?..... "Tuglike"?..... Them's fightin' words, pal. You don't wanna rile us Tachek/Tenaka lovers. :)It was a term of endearment, as Tenaka reminded me of a cartoonish tugboat, like you'd see on a KnowledgeNetwork program with Thomas the Train, etc.  I like that look, it looks like a real coastal working ship, to me. I really like Tachek, Tenaka, QQII, and NIP. My wife & I got to see Tenaka pass-by Rebecca Spit many, many times this week, and we never tired of looking at her. |
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Post by BrianWilliams on Jul 21, 2006 22:31:54 GMT -8
I did annoy a couple of members last year by referring to some workhorses (Powell River and Quinsam, for example) as powered barges.
Well, that's good practice. The most cost-effective automobile ferry is a floating parking lot. If we lived in a sheltered, short-haul coastal area like the Carolinas and Georgia, all our ferries would be barges; and like the SE USA, there would be no ferry fans.
Happily, we have BC's wonderful diversity. Many short runs are well-served by powered barges; but others need seaworthy ships. Tenaka is a fine example.
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Post by Neil on Jul 21, 2006 22:57:42 GMT -8
Brian, I think North Carolina has some really neat looking little ferries, most of which do have some superstructure.
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Post by Shane on Jul 22, 2006 8:24:29 GMT -8
Some superstructure, but very little, their superstructures are basicaly a small lounge and a bridge...  They are pretty neat looking though... |
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