Queen of Chilliwack Trip Disaster

[Quatchi]

HI

As some of you know I am addicted to the Queen of Chilliwack. I am starting construction on a R/C model of her in the next month. Right now I am drawing plans and collecting as much data as possible. So me and my brother decided we were going to go see her at Earls Cove. So I look on the BCF website and it says that the queen of chilliwack will be running on the Earls Cove - Saltery Bay run. So we decided we would go yesterday. So me, my brother, and a buddy all get up at 4:30 and Go to HSB catch the first ferry to Langdale . We drive up to Earls Cove and we are waiting for her to come. So we are sitting there watching the point and the ferry peaks out from behind the point and instantly I knew it was the wrong ship. It was the Queen of TsawassenSo I go and ask the guy who works there whats going on and he says BCF decided to run the Chilliwack a couple of weeks longer on the Discovery Coast Run. So we get on the QoT and go to Powell river and decide to go to Comox and then on to Naniamo to get back to HSB. We got home at about 1:30 this morning.

Now here is my question who is at fault here for wasting our 300$ and our Saturday. Did I look in the wrong place for my information or should BCF have posted somewhere the Schedual Change. Even thought I got to go on 4 ferries in one day I am still ticked that I got jipped. Does anyone out there have my sympathy or am I stupid.

Thanks

[Political Incorrectness]

Just because it is a winter schedule does not mean the winter vessel came back. There were no notices of the Chilliwak coming down early from her service on the Discovery Coast. Based off this, I will let you choose.

[Northern Exploration]

Ouch sorry to hear CAD. Most of the general public doesn't care much which ship they are on except when an older vessel is substituted with less capacity or services. Ie. Spirit to V Class. Well I hope you get a chance to get on the Wack soon, or at least when your pocketbook recovers. I hope you will be able to post vids of your version and maybe you can have a launching ceremony a la Flensburger.

[Low Light Mike]

Sorry to say that I think you made a mistake. I think that the BCFS schedule on their website has been noting an extended summer season for a while now.....but I agree that it's confusing because you have to make "1 more click" to see it.

However, the "vessels tracking" page (ie. the GPS page) has been showing the Chilliwack running on Route-40, even since Labour Day, so there was a clue that she's still up there.

But I think the lesson to be learned is that you didn't use this collection of ferry-nerds on this forum as your travel-insurance-policy. Next time, sound off a few days before to outline your trip idea, and if someone here thinks you might be mistaken, we'll let you know, and save you the time & money.

Ferry nerds: We are useful in limited circumstances....

But nonetheless, I'm sorry at your missed-opportunity. However I'm still envious that you rode the Jervis Inlet route on a sunny day, and experienced a good circle trip. It's not all bad..... ;D

But yeah, if you had mentioned beforehand that you were planning to ride the Chilliwack at Jervis Inlet yesterday, you'd have had at least 5 forum-regulars telling you immediately that she's still up north.

[Quatchi]

Ok

So it seems that it is my fault. I thank you for your responses. I must say though, on the website when you navigate to the quuen of chilliwack page

(About BC Ferries/Our Fleet/Queen of Chilliwack).

When you look at the route listing and it says
Earls Cove-Saltery Bay (Winter)
and you click on that link it takes you to a schedual.
to me this implies that this ship is running at those times.

Also there is and was nothing posted in the Important Service Notices area.

Well thats my thoughts. To one there own.

I don't know how any of you guys feel about the link from the QoC page to the Schedule but to me obviously they need to reword that phrase on the BCF website.

And yes Flugel it was very nice in the Jervous Inlet. Is there only the on old man at Earls Cove or are there more people there.

Next time I will post when I am going on a trip.

Thanks Guys

[Quatchi]

And just so you know pnwtraveler it will probably take me longer to build my model than it would take the germans to build a Super C. But I am working on a website for my project for both Ferry Fan and R/C communities.

[Low Light Mike]

cadmunkey said:

When you look at the route listing and it says Earls Cove-Saltery Bay (Winter)
and you click on that link it takes you to a schedual.
to me this implies that this ship is running at those times.

....but it's not yet winter. It's still summer until Sept.23rd, even though Labour day has passed. And there's no autumn/spring mentioned on the fleet-profile page, so I guess you have to choose whether you think it's summer or winter during autumn.

What I don't like, is that when you go to the Discovery Coast schedule on the website, it automatically shows the schedule that ends on Sept.3rd.....and not the current schedule. That's the point that your lawyer can exploit in your lawsuit.....

[Quatchi]

Thanks at least someone kind of agrees with me.

O well lesson learned.

Bart Simpson writing the following on the blackboard-

Next Time ask Ferry Nerds.
Next Time ask Ferry Nerds.
Next Time ask Ferry Nerds.
Next Time ask Fer

Thanks ;D

[queenofcowichan]

According to Deb Marshall while been interviewd on A-Channel News when the Chilliwack hit the dock at Bear Cove the ship will be going in for her refitt once she finishes her sailings up North, I think her last sailing is around the 17th of September. So I would assume it will be mid to end of October before she returns to Jervis Inlet.

Question does the Chilliwack have Propellers or RADs?

[Nick]

The Chilliwack has RADs.

[Quatchi]

explain to me what a rad is and ill tell you

or look here www.pbase.com/kstapleton/image/27610891

Once you look please explain to me what a rad is.

[Low Light Mike]

cadmunkey said:

explain to me what a rad is and ill tell you

First off, sorry to hear that you're ill. I hope you feel better soon.

A RAD is: Right Angle Drive. Think of a propeller shaft that extends DOWN into the water, then has a 90-degree angle to make it parallel to the water. (nothing acute or obtuse about it....)

[Nick]

a RAD, or Right Angle Drive, is like a giant outboard motor, or a "leg" on an inboard/outboard boat. It directs the rotating shaft downwards through the hull and then a propeller is mounted to that vertical "leg". This way, that leg (and propeller) can be rotated 360 degrees to provide propulsion from any direction. It eliminates the rudder, and also allows for much more maneuverability. Most of the smaller open decked ships use RADs in either all 4 corners or 2 kitty-corner to each other. (Ships with 4 rads: Powell River Queen/Bowen/Mayne, Cumberland/Capilano, Skeena, Chilliwack, Quinitsa/Quinsam. Ships with 2 RADs: Klitsa, Kahloke, Kwuna, Kuper.)

[Northern Exploration]

RAD = Right Angle Drive.

Yes that is it in the pic on Stapletons site. Rads can be gear driven or by electrical motors.

They are similar to Azimuth Drives and pods that are also being used more often. Some of the pods are fixed in place and some are moveable. The moveable ones are excellent for keeping a vessel on position using GPS and not having to use anchors. If you look up the Queen Mary II she has two moveable drives and one fixed. Some have the propellers at the front of the pod and some have them at the back. Forward props are more efficient because they work in undisturbed water. But if you hit something they hit the prop and not the pod so damage can ensue. Some pods have electical motors in them so are sealed from the hull and there is much reduced noise transmission into the vessel. Gear driven ones have larger hull opennings. I have been quite interested to see if any of the versions move to the forefront and become the new accepted method of propulsion.

[Northern Exploration]

Haha a triple post with me being the slowpoke.

[Ferryman]

I'd hate to add fuel to this fire, and be in one of those "told you so" positions, but I thought I may as well do it anyway.

One of us tried to tell you that you wouldn't see the Chilliwack on Route 7 this weekend, unfortunately. This was posted in the other thread you created a while back "Queen of Chilliwack Plans".

wetcoastkidjst said:

BTW, I am fairly certain that the Chilliwack will not be doing the Jervis Inlet route until at least early October, as she remains on central coast service out of Port Hardy until the end of this month.

ferriesbc.proboards20.com/index.cgi?board=generaltalk&action=display&thread=1188187729&page=1#1188962038

[Quatchi]

Wow I feel like the biggest moron in the world now. Chris I am amazed that I didn't catch that. I must have just clicked on the link in that post and forgot to read the rest. Man I cant believe I missed that. Well I hope that you all wont think I am completely stupid, but I do have my moments and as my dad says "they happen a lot more than I'd like".

OK I have never herd a RAD called a RAD before. In all of my marine engineering books they are called Z-Drives or Torque fins. Yet my books are from, the early 60's when my grandfather was in the navy.

You know you guys are all very nice on this forum everyone is polite, helpful and i'm a moron. I don't see anything changing soon.


Thanks

[Low Light Mike]

cadmunkey said:

...but I do have my moments and as my dad says "they happen a lot more than I'd like".

We all have those moments. Live and learn, and live some more.

....and keep us informed on your remote-controlled Chillywhack.

[Northern Exploration]

Z drives are similar but the shaft actually goes in a z shape. They are mostly used on smaller vessels such as tugs. A Z drive gets the propellor under the centre of a ship for manoeverability and protection. In a tug it keeps the prop away from the ropes. A Z drive as well can swivel or be fixed. This whole area is rapidly changing with new technology and applications cropping up all the time. I suspect that people are starting to use the terms interchangeable too.

PS. Don`t be so hard on yourself, we all make mistakes, learn from them and move on. If you can build models like you are talking that is something I would never even try so good on you.

[D'Elete BC in NJ]

pnwtraveler said:

Z drives are similar but the shaft actually goes in a z shape. They are mostly used on smaller vessels such as tugs. A Z drive gets the propellor under the centre of a ship for manoeverability and protection. In a tug it keeps the prop away from the ropes. A Z drive as well can swivel or be fixed. This whole area is rapidly changing with new technology and applications cropping up all the time. I suspect that people are starting to use the terms interchangeable too.

PS. Don`t be so hard on yourself, we all make mistakes, learn from them and move on. If you can build models like you are talking that is something I would never even try so good on you.

Z-drives are also used to create longer shaft lengths, i.e. reducing the angle of the drive shaft, in smaller vessels. It allows designers to centrally locate the engine, thus enabling simpler balancing...

[NMcKay]

bcinnj said:

pnwtraveler said:

Z drives are similar but the shaft actually goes in a z shape. They are mostly used on smaller vessels such as tugs. A Z drive gets the propellor under the centre of a ship for manoeverability and protection. In a tug it keeps the prop away from the ropes. A Z drive as well can swivel or be fixed. This whole area is rapidly changing with new technology and applications cropping up all the time. I suspect that people are starting to use the terms interchangeable too.

PS. Don`t be so hard on yourself, we all make mistakes, learn from them and move on. If you can build models like you are talking that is something I would never even try so good on you.

Z-drives are also used to create longer shaft lengths, i.e. reducing the angle of the drive shaft, in smaller vessels. It allows designers to centrally locate the engine, thus enabling simpler balancing...

only on the PRQ, HSQ(I think), skeena, cumbie, cap is that true...all the K class boats and the Quinsam and quinitsa they are located at opposite ends of the ships... for reliability...if the engine room has a fire...the other engine room can continue to function

[D'Elete BC in NJ]

harbourlynxkid said:

bcinnj said:

Z-drives are also used to create longer shaft lengths, i.e. reducing the angle of the drive shaft, in smaller vessels. It allows designers to centrally locate the engine, thus enabling simpler balancing...

only on the PRQ, HSQ(I think), skeena, cumbie, cap is that true...all the K class boats and the Quinsam and quinitsa they are located at opposite ends of the ships... for reliability...if the engine room has a fire...the other engine room can continue to function

;D...actually I was thinking much smaller than that; and more typically single engined...

[Low Light Mike]

As at 13:00 on Sept.18th, the Chilliwack is on her way south, from Port Hardy. The BCFS webpage vessel-tracker showed her in Queen Charlotte Strait, heading south-east.

This makes sense, as her last day of Discovery-Coast service was yesterday (Sept.17).

I wonder where she's headed, and if it will be a non-stop trip? It will be interesting if she's going straight to Saltery Bay?

Let me know if any of you find out where she's headed to over the next few days.

[Retrovision]

Thanks for the heads up. It sounds to me like she'll be headed for a TC required refit, from what I've heard, due to that hard landing recently.

Late Edit: Here's something interesting that I just noticed, when you pass your mouse cursor over the 'Chilliwack, you're given the name of the right vessel as well as the correct speed, but the map shows the Northern Adventure; this is confirmed when you do the same to the Northern Adventure's position where it shows the same map, position and heading but lists the appropriate name and speed. Interesting quirk if anything.

[Nick]

according to BCFS's fleet movements page on the employee section, the chilliwack is on her way to Deas. ETA 1400 sept. 19.

Comp.Ops Sep 17/07 @ 2130. Depart Bear Cove Sep 18/07 @ 1400 for Deas Pacific Marine eta Sep 19/07 @ 1400 for refit.

The Tachek is on her way south to Deas as well. This means that as of late tomorrow, there will be 4 ships at deas, Tachek, Nimpkish, Chilliwack, and Bowen queen. (although I think that the Nimpkish has gone north already, somebody correct me if I'm wrong.)