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Post by Ferryman on Feb 13, 2005 10:46:03 GMT -8
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Post by Doug on Feb 13, 2005 13:50:44 GMT -8
2) they are building ships that they dont really need. if they maintained thier vessels for a 45 or 55 year life span, the vessels would be in better shape, and BCf would be able to build up a little capital before they buy new ships. I'll let you know that BC Ferries holds the oldest ferry fleet in the world (only WSF could be older) so I suggest retiring the older vessels, NOW. |
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Post by Ferryman on Feb 13, 2005 14:10:40 GMT -8
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Post by Ferryman on Feb 13, 2005 14:12:49 GMT -8
I'll let you know that BC Ferries holds the oldest ferry fleet in the world (only WSF could be older) so I suggest retiring the older vessels, NOW. Yeah I think it's time now too, it's what BCF's has to do to be considered a great ferry system of having a large brand new shining fleet of ships |
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Post by NMcKay on Feb 13, 2005 17:36:54 GMT -8
are you willing to pay for them?
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Post by Ferryman on Feb 13, 2005 17:41:17 GMT -8
No, but isn't that going to happen anyway with this decade and a half plan to revitalize the fleet? Plus we're all probably helping pay for them by travelling by BCF
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Post by Doug on Feb 13, 2005 18:25:06 GMT -8
Who says we are paying for these new ships? I don't pay bills so I wouldn't, but BC Ferries is private now, tax money doesn't go to it anymore.
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Post by Balfour on Feb 13, 2005 18:46:42 GMT -8
What he means by "we" is the Ferry riders.
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Post by NMcKay on Feb 13, 2005 19:45:36 GMT -8
yeah, but the service that *we* have right now barley pays for itself, and new ships wont help much.
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Post by Dane on Feb 13, 2005 22:38:29 GMT -8
Just a correction there - BC Ferries recieves a LOT of government money. Almost the same as when it was a public body, actually. All the routes still maintain their highways subsidies. Things like adverts and promotions, however, are now away from the gov't (as well as big things like bookings, administration)
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Post by Dane on Feb 13, 2005 22:40:31 GMT -8
yeah, but the service that *we* have right now barley pays for itself, and new ships wont help much. I don't understand your point of view on BC Ferries. Do you 1) believe in privitizing all services 2) keep some services public, only if they make money 3) Just like to complain about capital projects? Why doesnt BCF need new ships? Your mom/dad could drive the first cars they ever got, but I bet they don't (if they do the money they've spent to keep them running is yet more evidence as to why you replace major assets). |
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Post by Ian on Feb 13, 2005 22:41:18 GMT -8
It was a bad idea to privitise, just to get our starbucks, village pizza and any other sponser. But flow with the times.
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Post by Dane on Feb 13, 2005 22:47:36 GMT -8
It was a bad idea to privitise, just to get our starbucks, village pizza and any other sponser. But flow with the times. Starbucks, White Spot, and Villages (not 100% on that one) all predate private BCF. It was to get the corporations debt off the BC Gov'ts books, effectivly. |
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Post by NMcKay on Feb 13, 2005 23:05:06 GMT -8
dont compare the boats to cars. i doubt your car would run 12 hours a day for 35 years.
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Post by Dane on Feb 14, 2005 19:16:49 GMT -8
Even more of a case as to why ferries should be replaced earlier. Clealy you have no comprehension of the life and durability of steel and diesel engines (mainly decreased efficency). I'm not saying that to be rude, it's just obvious from your comments.
The 4 steel electrics (Washington) have had more money put into maintain them than it's ever been worth. They should have been scrapped in 1975, now they're paying a much higher cost to replace the ships.
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Post by NMcKay on Feb 14, 2005 20:57:52 GMT -8
yes, but thats because they are putting money into fixing the existing engines, Replacing them entirely would be a cheaper solution. too bad. cause the steel - electrics are fun ships to ride.
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Post by Dane on Feb 14, 2005 22:07:48 GMT -8
One of the largest costs was the steel restoration done to their hulls. It's failure of that steel that lead to the first vessel already being pulled and the Klickitat literally counting down the days until she'll be deemed unsafe for service.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Feb 14, 2005 22:26:23 GMT -8
I have never been on the Steel Electric Class. Would of been neat to ride on them. Probably will never the chance to though.  |
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Post by Ferryman on Feb 14, 2005 22:30:06 GMT -8
Where are all of these ships from? (Steel Electric Class?  ) |
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Post by NMcKay on Feb 14, 2005 22:32:06 GMT -8
Washington Stae Ferrys have some antique ships, called the Steel Electric Class. Most of the WSF ships are classified by thier Size or Specialty, not thier Names.
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Post by Ferryman on Feb 14, 2005 22:36:37 GMT -8
Oh I see now, I forgot about those anitique ships.
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Post by NMcKay on Feb 14, 2005 22:51:37 GMT -8
yeah, they were top of the line a few dozen years ago, they were the first ships to use a diesel engine to generate electricity to power the electric engines.
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Post by Quinsam on May 19, 2005 21:33:38 GMT -8
New name, I've got it! Queen of Gabriola. Maybe these too, Queen of Comox, Brentwood Queen, maybe even this! Spirit of the Fraser River.  |
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Post by hergfest on May 20, 2005 0:46:48 GMT -8
The deck plates on the car deck are actually starting to buckle on the Klickitat, not a good situation (I read this on the WSF website on the Keystone Harbor Study). All four of the ships were built in 1928 for service on the San Francisco Bay and were brought to Washington after the bridges were opened. There were actually six in the class, but Black Ball turned two of them into single enders for the Bremerton route. The four were all rebuilt, repowered, and the entire superstructure was replaced in the 1980's. But they have outlived their usefulness. But it does prove that the WSF fleet is older than the BC Ferry fleet until the new Issaquah 130 class is built in the next three years.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on May 20, 2005 15:54:55 GMT -8
When the Steel Eletric are retired they may be about the same age except for the Evergreen State class in the fifties.
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