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Post by NMcKay on Feb 2, 2005 13:10:24 GMT -8
most open car deck ferrys have a 360 degree view from the bridge. and my dad was figuring it was quite cheap to buy a ferrying japan, becuase the ships there a built (By the Pound) so to speak. they chagre you the same for a piece of metal weather its curved, bent cast w/e. so you dont have to worry about that. they ship im refering to is the Bigger brothers of the osprey 2000 to make them bigger you just cut them (Reffered to as Slice and Dice) and then put a bigger seting in between the slice, the ships would look like this  |
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Post by Koastal Karl on Feb 2, 2005 19:14:44 GMT -8
Speaking of the Mill Bay ferry her crew rescued three men in the waters off Brentwood Bay. I am not sure if it was today or yesterday. But aparently their Kyak overturned or something. A little rescue for the Mill Bay!
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Post by kylefossett on Feb 2, 2005 20:31:54 GMT -8
lookikng at the picture of the ferry in norway it seems to have a pretty square bow. even in amongst the gulf islands it can get pretty stormy in the winter. would this affect this ferry at all. image wise the osprey2000 and the skeena seem to be nicer ferries and have been built in this province and are proven ferries for this area. lets keep with what we know works and keep jobs in this province.
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Post by Ian on Feb 2, 2005 20:33:29 GMT -8
That norway ferry is really ugly just look.
pk ok, i still can't put up a picture please go through step by step in exact detail.
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Post by NMcKay on Feb 2, 2005 21:36:44 GMT -8
Is it really that hard?
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Post by Dave on Feb 2, 2005 22:07:44 GMT -8
That THING is just a BOX with some shaved sides. Youre right Kyle. Keep the jobs here too.
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Post by NMcKay on Feb 3, 2005 12:46:39 GMT -8
well the only problem is. when you are trying to save money, building them overseas is the only solution. here the union labour drives the price of builing from about 1.2 Million to 3.4 Million.
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Post by Ian on Feb 3, 2005 16:27:22 GMT -8
Look at it, it's really boxy and ugly.  |
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Post by NMcKay on Feb 3, 2005 20:54:14 GMT -8
What routes are you planning to put them on
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Post by cascade on Feb 4, 2005 8:42:26 GMT -8
HabourLynx Kid
Here is some info for you:
MV Osprey 2000
80M - L
24M Beam
Steel Hull
1780 Tons
2000 built - $23.7M
FerryCat 120
80M
20.8M Beam
Aluminium Hull (New type weld)
730 Tons
Cost 2005 - $11M
Yes it maybe a square box - but look at the cost - which include crew training and Del to West Coast and ALL Cert. The running cost and the wave / wake - wash factor is the lowest we have seen in any type of Ferry - which is prefect to protect the Inlet and other shore lines.
Routes 12 & 4 & 5 to start with and looking at - two others - will be a niche player on short haul routes. Currently working on deveolping new Terminal - berthing designs.
I agree that looks is not eveything. I prefect the old classic lines of the Ferries from the 60's & 70's - when they started all this dicing & slicing - it really put me off. The current vessels - some of them are just damn ugly.
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Post by NMcKay on Feb 4, 2005 11:14:09 GMT -8
just because the osprey 2000 was built out of steel does not mean the originally it wasn;t designed to be built with aluminum. any ship can be built with aluminum.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Feb 4, 2005 11:48:36 GMT -8
Hey McKay jr:
what's the official name of Harbourlynx's ship? Is it still technically "Angel of Freedom", or has it been renamed?
Can you persuade the company to rename it "Mission Queen"?
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Post by NMcKay on Feb 4, 2005 14:43:59 GMT -8
the official name of the Harbourlynx's ship. is the MV Harbourlynx, thats whats written on the registry. and thats whats written on the side of ship. it was only the Angel of Freedom when it belonged to her old owners. it became the MV Harbourlynx the minute she was loaded on the ship to bring over here.
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Post by kylefossett on Feb 4, 2005 16:18:36 GMT -8
about keeping the jobs here. there is a spinoff effect when you keep a job like that in an area. last summer i had many emails back and forth between myself and gordon campbell, kevin falcon and my local mla randy hawes. mr. hawes mentioned you can't just build something to keep the jobs in your home area. i disagree. you can. think about it you have a ship builder making x amount of dollars, he pays a percentage in gst, pst, provincial and federal income tax, and he might even be a home owner paying property taxes. he is not relying on the government for handouts to get by with. he is going to local restaurants, stores, the movies. all places that employe people who are also paying taxes. you get rid of an industry and the whole region hurts. it is smart to keep the tax money here and not over in germany. right now germans are making an income building the super c ferries and paying taxes in germany to better the economy there. that could be here. i wish i had saved my correspondence with the politicians from last summer because they kept back tracking themselves and made themselves sound moronic. as much as the fastcats were a fiasco at least the ndp kept the jobs in this province
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Post by Low Light Mike on Feb 4, 2005 16:40:21 GMT -8
Yeah, but on the other hand, the Germans make pretty good ships, and I'm excited that BCF is getting a world-class ship.
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Post by Ian on Feb 4, 2005 23:16:23 GMT -8
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Post by NMcKay on Feb 5, 2005 0:33:11 GMT -8
the germans may make good ships but was it the best idea to run 523 Million? im pretty sure that China and asia could have built them cheaper
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Post by Ian on Feb 5, 2005 11:06:18 GMT -8
But thats quality vs quantity.
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Post by NMcKay on Feb 5, 2005 13:26:09 GMT -8
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Post by kylefossett on Feb 5, 2005 14:46:12 GMT -8
my point is keep the jobs here in bc. the majority of the fleet was built here in bc. the only problems we have with them now is because of age. the spirits, cumberland, capaliano, and skeena are the only ferries built since the c-class were built. everything c-class and before is now 20+ yrs old. this is like a car. doesn't matter how well you take car of them they are going to start showing age. the original ferries were no problem. there are excellent ship yards in this province. they also could have made the fastcats work with a bit of modifications. the reason behind selling the fastcats was to make the ndp gov't that built them look like fools. if another party gets in to power in may then i am willing to put money on it that they will reverse something that the liberals did in their term in power. (bye-bye new bridge from langley to maple ridge?).
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Post by cascade on Feb 7, 2005 12:00:14 GMT -8
Harbour Lynx Kid -
I agree with what your saying about having vessels built outside BC. I would have liked to have them built locally - the same with the CEO of BCF. Would have prefered if he was Canadian, but I must admit that the deal they did for the 3x new BCF vessels - the German yard is very good - forget what the press may say or not - this yard has a very high rep in shipping circles. Has very high regard for building cruise & Ferries - for the European market. (They do demand a much higher finish here than in BC)
The actual Yard owners are in the Shipping buiness themselfs. It could have been a little bit cheaper - maybe if they were built in Poland - but I think maybe the Germans are better craftsman - at least in very large vessels. There is a major problem in Germany right now with 5% unemployed - and labour issues, but NO there is no Government hand outs to get the contract. Will the yard make money on the deal - good quesation - word on the street is - JUST - maybe a small amount.
The terms of the contract - are very good - so who the hell did the deal - and where were they a few years back when this Fast Cat program was in the pipe line? This is the first deal that actualy makes commerical sense - ie is very good for BC.
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Post by cascade on Feb 7, 2005 12:18:20 GMT -8
HarbourLynx Kid,
We are a bit surprised that you haven't pick up on the fact that your vessel - Harbourlynx (ON 0825355) was designed by the same company who has designed the FerryCat 120 - Have you also seen there new FerryCat 240 ?
When Kvaerner Fjellstrand - Norway sold out the ship yard - to the management - they also sold the design team. Yet your vessel was build from there design, but in Jurong, Singapore at the Kvaerner owned ship yard in 1996. I have found out that there is 20 vessels built from the same design - 6 are with IDO in Turkey who also op the 2x other FerryCat's.
Therefore I wonder how many designs - copies of the current BCF fleet that have been sold around the world ? Does anyone know ? If BC wants to have a ship building program - then they also should be in the position to sell on there designs. The water ways of BC are not unique - we have found the same types of Inlets, open waters, island & currents in New Zealand, Baltic, Scotland, and of course in the Scandinavian countries - these are also cold water countries - therefore why can't we export our design's?? does anyone know why not?
Forget the labour - Union issues - we have on the Coast - what about the design of Ferries - if we op one of the largest in the World - then why do other countries have better designs - that work and hence they can sell them on and make money for there country - export sales springs to mind.
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Post by cascade on Feb 8, 2005 9:25:40 GMT -8
Harbour Lynx kid,
I would be very carefull about getting something from the land of Aus. I would look at a sister to what your currently running.
Don't get me wrong, the Aussies can also build a Cat and their designs are OK - to a point - but why not stay with a sister design to what you currently have ? would make more commerical sense or would it ? What mod's did you have done to her in 2003 ?
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Post by cascade on Feb 8, 2005 10:07:16 GMT -8
So - if everyone wants to have ferries built in BC - but due to Labour costs & Unions ect..... then why can't these "great" design be sold overseas - so we can see sister ships to what we have here - else where in the World.
On a side note heard on the BBC radio this morning - talking about names and what they meant years ago.
Mill Bay is a port town in the UK and yes it is very famous - as the port that loaded all the convicts bound for the colonies. Have any of you seen maps on the Ferries - which show parts of Ladner and the river - look at some of the names - then find a map of the Thames River and look at the names - small world isn't it.
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Post by NMcKay on Feb 8, 2005 16:07:32 GMT -8
okay. There was talk of another Kvaerner. just for the user familiarity. but the problem is locating another one at a cheap price. the sister to the Angel of Freedon (her old name) is somewhere out there for sale. but she is way WAY WAY too expensive. @ 6.5 Million or something.
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