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Post by Kam on Jan 31, 2007 14:41:56 GMT -8
This story came over the BN newswire today: (BC-Ferry-Service)
An Alberta businessman hopes to launch a new passenger ferry between Vancouver and Victoria.
The service would use a hybrid catamaran capable of going from harbour to harbour in 70 minutes.
Don Stein has signed a memorandum of understanding with the Greater Victoria Harbour Authority while he develops a detailed plan.
Stein told C-H News that one-way fares would be between 25 and 50 dollars. (CH-TV-s,T-Col) Anyone else hear about this yet? |
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Post by Dane on Jan 31, 2007 16:33:02 GMT -8
No I haven't, thanks for posting it.
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Post by WettCoast on Jan 31, 2007 18:19:21 GMT -8
Harbour to harbour Victoria to Vancouver seems a little bit too fast to be for real, does it not? The vessel would need to average a speed of better than 60 knots per hour thoughout the journey.
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Post by NMcKay on Jan 31, 2007 18:24:21 GMT -8
Claims:
What is claimed is:
1. A surface effect vessel hull comprising;
two catamaran hulls joined by a deck, each catamaran hull defining a longitudinal dimension;
each said catamaran hull comprising a bottom having an exterior surface, opposing sides attached to said bottom and extending upwardly therefrom and a transom connecting said sides and being attached to and extending upwardly from said bottom, a step extending inwardly from said bottom generally perpendicular to said longitudinal dimension, said step lying in a plane passing through said hull generally transverse to said longitudinal dimension defining a bow portion extending forward of said plane and an air cushion portion extending rearwardly of said plane;
said bow portion of each said catamaran hull bottom comprising a first face and a second face joined to form a V-shape that extends from proximal said bow to said step, a line formed by said intersecting faces defining a keel of said bow portion, said first and second faces each defining an angle with a horizontal plane passing through said keel, said angle at a cross-section proximal said bow is at least 45 degrees, said angle diminishing to less than 25 degrees at said step;
said air cushion portion of each said catamaran hull bottom having a recess formed therein, said recess extending inwardly from said exterior surface of said bottom, said recess extending rearward from said step to proximal said transom, said recess defining secondary catamaran hull sections extending from said step to said transom,
pressurized air generation means connected in fluid flow relation to said air cushion recess.
2. A surface effect vessel hull as in claim 1 wherein said bow portion of each catamaran hull has a longitudinal dimension from said bow to said step that lies within the range of 35 to 80 percent of the longitudinal length of said catamaran hull from said bow to said transom.
3. A surface effect vessel hull as in claim 1, wherein said angle diminishes from at least 55 degrees proximal said bow to 20 degrees or less at said step.
4. A surface effect vessel hull as in claim 1 comprising a fin extending downwardly from each secondary catamaran hull section, said fin extending from proximal said transom to a point forward of said step, said point forward of said step being at a distance from said step that lies within the range of 2.9 percent to 7.1 percent of the overall longitudinal dimension of said vessel.
5. A surface effect vessel hull as in claim 4, wherein each said fin comprises a keel portion, said fin keel portion of each said catamaran hull section lies generally in the same plane with one another and generally in the same plane as the keel of said bow portion of said hull proximal said step.
6. A surface effect vessel hull as in claim 1 comprising catamaran hulls having longitudinal axes generally parallel to one another and said catamaran hulls being spaced apart from one another.
Description:
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Post by NMcKay on Jan 31, 2007 18:25:05 GMT -8
if you read all that. a SES could take the 30 knots of the lynx. and make her 45 - 50, while saving close to 60% fuel
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Post by Dane on Jan 31, 2007 18:38:34 GMT -8
Why are all the hulls said? They are.
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Post by NMcKay on Jan 31, 2007 19:57:39 GMT -8
could you explain your post a little more dane?
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jan 31, 2007 21:01:02 GMT -8
You can fly harbour to harbour in like 20-30 mins which would be faster except to fly it is a bit more expenisve!
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Post by Ferryman on Jan 31, 2007 21:27:42 GMT -8
I was watching the News this morning, and they were talking about this. They even had some 3D pictures of the types of vessels. They said the fare would be approximately $30-$70. I doubt this will last long, as you may as well fly on the Floatplane for that cost. High Speed Ferries seems to be a really tough business. It's easy to get from Point A to Point B faster than BC Ferries, but the cost is only a little bit cheaper than the float plane, and the floatplane will still get you from that point A to point B in half of the high speed ferry time.
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Post by Retrovision on Jan 31, 2007 21:42:08 GMT -8
Hasn't BC Ferries called Tsawwassen terminal "Vancouver" for decades? That would make this claim more feasible in my eyes.
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Post by Ferryman on Jan 31, 2007 21:51:17 GMT -8
They were pretty clear on the fact that it would be Downtown to Downtown. I think they said the dock on the Victoria side will be near the Point Hope Shipyards.
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Post by WettCoast on Jan 31, 2007 23:18:48 GMT -8
A ferry cruising through the Gulf Islands at 120 km/h - seems far-fetched to me!
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Post by Retrovision on Feb 1, 2007 1:56:39 GMT -8
A ferry cruising through the Gulf Islands at 120 km/h - seems far-fetched to me! Having grown up with grandparents with a house in Point Robberts, WA, near the mouth of the marina, that has a view of Boundary Pass, I can say that traffic is heavy and fast through there. Primarily freighters can be seen gunning it through the pass, but we've witnessed all the way from subs to a limping Queen of Saanich, last summer, going near or through Boundary Pass. Found here: www.cruising.sailingcourse.com/day2.htm...  "Approaching South Pender Island Canada"  I have many fond memories of this area; these are my old stomping grounds from when my family owned a 38' C&C Landfall sailboat and cruised both the southern Gulf Islands and the U.S. San Juan Islands. We were based out of Point Robberts Marina, so we sailed both sets of islands almost equally, calling often at Bedlwell Harbour (Now "Poet's Cove" Resort), between North and South Pender Islands, for customs to cross into Canada...
How it looked as I was growing up
How it looks now
Homepage Found Here: www.poetscove.com
...Or, probably most-frequently, for a short hop accross the Strait of Georgia to Sucia Island, a small Washington State Marine Park on the corner of Boundary Pass with 3 principle moorages / bays.  But I Digress....My point is that if your vessel has enough efficiency, slowing down for Active Pass might not be necessary. - On another note, Any word on when this service might begin? |
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Post by NMcKay on Feb 1, 2007 5:52:25 GMT -8
you know what? i cant even begin to count the number of people that phoned hlynx wanting a Vic to van boat, and they were willing to pay approx 50 - 55 $....next question....Kam...how do you get into all these focus groups?
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Post by Kam on Feb 1, 2007 9:37:16 GMT -8
....next question....Kam...how do you get into all these focus groups? Wasnt me.. |
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Post by NMcKay on Feb 1, 2007 10:19:26 GMT -8
i thought you said somewhere else on the forums that you were part of a focus group
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Post by Retrovision on Feb 1, 2007 10:47:36 GMT -8
i thought you said somewhere else on the forums that you were part of a focus group That rings a bell for me too. |
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Post by yvr on Feb 1, 2007 13:04:36 GMT -8
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Post by sgrant on Feb 1, 2007 20:31:13 GMT -8
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Feb 2, 2007 7:41:33 GMT -8
We just had an excellent discussion about ground effect vehicles in the following thread: ferriesbc.proboards20.com/index.cgi?board=nonBCF&action=display&thread=1169494244They are an excellent option. Question is, are you going to be able to navigate through all the other ship traffic at the speed that these craft move? I know this concern has been already mentioned, but no matter which route you take, I can see the heavy traffic in the shipping lanes being a major issue. |
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Post by Kam on Feb 2, 2007 8:49:24 GMT -8
i thought you said somewhere else on the forums that you were part of a focus group Nope, that was this fellow: I just went to a focus group on possible reservation-only fast ferry service between Vancouver and Nanaimo. (Downtown-ish to downtown-ish) About prices we'd be willing to pay, and scheduling, and on-board offerings. Sounds like next spring for a launch. They will succeed where the crown corp couldn't. |
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Post by lest69 on Feb 2, 2007 10:06:42 GMT -8
The proposed ship isn't a Ground Effect vessel, but a Surface Effect ship. A Ground Effect (or Wing in Ground Effect) vessel is effectively a plane flying just above the water. A surface effect ship is a catamaran with an air cushion (kind of a cross between a catamaran and a hovercraft). A graphic showing this configuration is shown here:  In the CH story, they said the estimated speed would be 60 knots, which is about the average for most surface effect ships, and that the ship would be built at Point Hope Shipyard. The dock would be just South of the Johnson St bridge on the Victoria side. The proposal will be going before Victoria council in about 3 months. |
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Post by Retrovision on Feb 2, 2007 11:10:37 GMT -8
Thanks for the valuable info - I missed the CH story myself. The dock would be just South of the Johnson St bridge on the Victoria side. It sounds like the elderly lady who owned the heritage propery spoken of has finally dealt with the land she'd been holding onto for so long in one way or another. I would hope that any terminal on these lands would incorporate the heritage buildings into its design, not just try to emulate their former glory...   |
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Post by DENelson83 on Feb 2, 2007 16:01:14 GMT -8
"Knots per hour" is acceleration, not speed. |
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Post by kylefossett on Feb 2, 2007 16:53:35 GMT -8
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