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Post by SS Shasta on Jan 11, 2007 6:36:07 GMT -8
Is the Todds Shipyard in Seattle the only yard on Puget Sound with a drydock large enough to service a vessel the size of MV Tacoma?
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Post by zman on Jan 11, 2007 12:05:40 GMT -8
Todd has a USCG ice breaker in one, and the Cathlamet in the other. They took apart the really long one so that sections for a bridge can be built there.
It may be a while until one of those are open.
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 11, 2007 20:33:50 GMT -8
I think Todd is the only one left that has a large enough drydock. The old AK-WA in Tacoma could do it as well, but they're long gone.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jan 13, 2007 14:31:15 GMT -8
From the WSF Service Bulletin:
Both vessels operating the Seattle/Bainbridge Island route have a reduced maximum passenger capacity of 1800 each while the Hyak is assigned to this route.
Why would having the Hyak instead of the Tacoma on the Bainbridge route reduce the passenger capacity of the Puyallup?
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 13, 2007 16:02:53 GMT -8
I can't figure that one out either. That also nullifies the argument for sending the Hyak to Bainbridge instead of the Spokane or Walla Walla.
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Post by hergfest on Jan 13, 2007 21:43:34 GMT -8
I am assuming that the Hyak must have a reduced passenger capacity now. And since WSF's safety system is a "buddy system" where the other boat on the route helps the other boat, it must reduce the capacity of the Puyalup.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jan 13, 2007 22:25:08 GMT -8
I am assuming that the Hyak must have a reduced passenger capacity now. And since WSF's safety system is a "buddy system" where the other boat on the route helps the other boat, it must reduce the capacity of the Puyalup. According to the WSF website, the Hyak and Puyallup both have the same passenger capacity (2500). This is the first time I've ever heard of the passenger capacity being lowered on a vessel because another vessel on the same route has a lower passenger capacity.
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 14, 2007 8:33:04 GMT -8
You know, I think hergfest is onto something there... that makes sense because the J-Mk2s have the additional liferafting capacity; the Supers don't because they work runs that, 99% of the time, aren't anywhere near pax-max.
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Post by SS Shasta on Jan 14, 2007 12:39:09 GMT -8
Don't the Supers have a heavy walk on load when they are working the Bremerton run? The number of walk on passengers would be less in the Islands, but how does the Bremerton run compair to Winslow? I would think that while the car deck load would be lighter on the Bremerton route, walk ons would be about the same, especially during the rush hour and for ball games, etc. ??
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 14, 2007 13:56:57 GMT -8
I am not tremendously familiar with the load numbers at Bremerton, and as for the WSF/USCG agreement regarding the availability of liferafting on a run at a given time, I'm very reluctant to explain it because I'm not not hip to the intricacies of the arrangement. I'd rather give out no information than wrong information.
That having been said, I suspect that the problem is that while the rafting available on the Bremerton run is occasionally exceeded by passenger count, with the Hyak present on the SBI run it would be exceeded constantly.
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Post by zman on Jan 14, 2007 14:02:30 GMT -8
From the crowds that I have seen, the 4:40 from Seattle to Bainbridge (Hyak) is much more crowded than the busiest trips when she is at Bremerton. The loads can get really big at Bremerton, but it very rarely gets as the Bainbridge trips.
I would hate to see the Hyak do the 5:30PM from Seattle to Bainbridge or the 7:55AM from Bainbridge to Seattle.
It is not pretty, but the Issaquah's can at least manage the busy Bremerton trips.
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Post by EGfleet on Jan 14, 2007 16:28:26 GMT -8
From the crowds that I have seen, the 4:40 from Seattle to Bainbridge (Hyak) is much more crowded than the busiest trips when she is at Bremerton. The loads can get really big at Bremerton, but it very rarely gets as the Bainbridge trips. I would hate to see the Hyak do the 5:30PM from Seattle to Bainbridge or the 7:55AM from Bainbridge to Seattle. It is not pretty, but the Issaquah's can at least manage the busy Bremerton trips. Bremerton commuter runs will fill an Issaquah but a Super. I took the two busiest sailings AM and PM from Bremerton when I commuted from there for several years, and Supers always were comfortable and everyone had a seat. I would wager probably over half full on a Super, maybe up a bit more now since there are no PO boats running with any sort of real capacity. Bainbridge...those commuter runs on those Mark II were PACKED. I know there have been several instances where an M's game has let out at the same time as a commuter run and they have had to ask people to get off the boat because they've gone over 2500. Worst one was about three years ago when my father was on the run. The captain announced that they wouldn't sail until 300 people got off the boat. It took 25 minutes for people to get off the boat, but eventually they did and they finally sailed. Pop wasn't one of them because he'd been one of the first people on the boat. ;D
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jan 14, 2007 16:44:40 GMT -8
Well will the Wave2Go system prevent the overloads by having it keep track of how many people have already scanned barcodes on the turnstiles so that it has a limit and it will stop any additional passengers from boarding due to capacity limit?
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 14, 2007 17:46:31 GMT -8
That's an interesting question. Maybe an e-mail to WSF's Public Affairs division is in order--it's honestly not a consideration that comes up in the San Juans.
(edit) Ahem. At least, not often. I remember it happening once in ten years, and only when a smaller boat (the Evergreen State, of course) was subsituting for the Chelan (which was filling in for the Yakima).
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jan 16, 2007 16:08:37 GMT -8
From the WSF service bulletin:
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Post by zman on Jan 16, 2007 22:13:14 GMT -8
That is exactly what the crew onboard the Issaquah was saying...That was really a really quick finishing of the Wenatchee.
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Post by old_wsf_fan on Feb 4, 2007 12:15:07 GMT -8
The Everett-Herald webcam shows that the Tacoma has been moved. She must be on her way to Todds shipyard. Are they ready for her? That yard has looked very full recently and I was wondering if she might be at Winslow waiting for her turn.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Feb 8, 2007 19:19:24 GMT -8
Wasn't the Tacoma supposed to be in drydock by now? I didn't see her at Todd this evening.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Mar 9, 2007 12:22:03 GMT -8
The Tacoma is returning to service on Monday if she passes sea trials. I suspect the Puyallup will be returning to Edmonds-Kingston to replace the Walla Walla (which was supposed to go in for drydock work last week).
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Post by zman on Mar 9, 2007 18:20:25 GMT -8
It looks like she is being prepared to be taken down from drydock...The debris net has been removed.
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Post by Barnacle on Mar 10, 2007 16:04:41 GMT -8
I heard her hit the water this morning over company radio.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Mar 11, 2007 10:19:23 GMT -8
Saw this on vessel watch this morning:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2007 10:29:33 GMT -8
Hmmmm.... I noticed this also. Looking at the vessel watch now it looks like she is headed towards Kingston!?
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Mar 11, 2007 10:58:58 GMT -8
Sea trials actually, this would have been a good day to hit Bainbridge to see all three mark II's, last time that occasion happend was back in December.
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Post by old_wsf_fan on Mar 11, 2007 18:14:51 GMT -8
Looks as though the Tacoma is back in service? On the vessel watch she is at Winslow and the Puyallup is back up at Kingston.
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