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Post by hergfest on Jan 7, 2007 0:17:12 GMT -8
The Tacoma broke down tonight, they had to send the Spokane down from Edmonds/Kingston to help pick up Seahawks traffic heading home. Looks like she is back in service now, she is sailing for Seattle on the GPS. Is this the first time the Spokane has been on the Bainbridge run since she was displaced by the Jumbo Mark IIs?
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 7, 2007 13:19:34 GMT -8
I don't think so, and I was under the impression that they got the Tacoma fixed before the Spokane made it to Bainbridge, so it still hasn't been on the BI run. ;D
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Post by old_wsf_fan on Jan 7, 2007 13:55:24 GMT -8
She never did make it down to Seattle. I was on the WSF website last night and the Spokane was turned back around about halfway on her trip.
The problem with the Tacoma couldn't have been to serious, as they had her fixed in a short time.
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 7, 2007 15:28:08 GMT -8
That is often the case... a malfunction that necessitates tying up the vessel for safety reasons, and after some investigation, is tracked to a simple and quickly remedied problem. I'm glad they were able to get it back on line in a minimum of time.
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Post by In Washington on Jan 9, 2007 8:36:59 GMT -8
Tacoma had a rudder flop. Not sure what the diagnosis was but it was identified and apparently fixed quickly.
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Post by EGfleet on Jan 9, 2007 17:24:39 GMT -8
Tacoma had a rudder flop. Not sure what the diagnosis was but it was identified and apparently fixed quickly. Or not. KOMO just reported she'll be going into dry dock for rudder repairs. |
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 9, 2007 17:30:54 GMT -8
Which is ugly... that indicates that the bits outside the boat were somehow damaged. If they've had problems with a flopped rudder then it's likely that the sheer force of a flop at flank speed bent the rudder stock. If so, new rudder time.
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Post by northwesterner on Jan 9, 2007 18:02:08 GMT -8
Which is ugly... that indicates that the bits outside the boat were somehow damaged. If they've had problems with a flopped rudder then it's likely that the sheer force of a flop at flank speed bent the rudder stock. If so, new rudder time. The next question is - what kind of vessel musical chairs are we going to see to replace the Tacoma while she's in dry dock? Methinks Walla Walla comes south to replace the Tacoma - Hyak heads north to replace the Walla Walla on Edmonds Kingston. Evergreen State goes to Vashon - replacing the Issaquah which is moved to Seattle-Bremerton. Any better ideas? AFAIK - all the vessels that are currently operational are out in service right now except for Quinault and Evergreen State... |
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 9, 2007 18:37:35 GMT -8
Walla Walla wouldn't necessarily come south; the passenger count is actually a more critical factor on the SBI run. My speculation is Hyak to SBI, Issy to SBR, Evergreen to FSV. Less complicated for what will be a quick turnaround in the yard with any luck.
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Post by SS Shasta on Jan 9, 2007 19:22:43 GMT -8
Walla Walla wouldn't necessarily come south; the passenger count is actually a more critical factor on the SBI run. My speculation is Hyak to SBI, Issy to SBR, Evergreen to FSV. Less complicated for what will be a quick turnaround in the yard with any luck. Just wondering: How long would it take to get a replacement vessel such as MV Evergreen State up and running under emergency conditions such as this?  |
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jan 9, 2007 19:34:39 GMT -8
Just wondering: How long would it take to get a replacement vessel such as MV Evergreen State up and running under emergency conditions such as this? It would take a while, mostly to get a crew rounded up. From what I've read at another message board, it takes about an hour to get the boilers warmed up. |
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Post by zman on Jan 9, 2007 20:23:50 GMT -8
I just came on the 6:45 from Seattle (Hyak). They said that she will be swiched out "for a smaller Issaquah Class boat that carries 20 less cars" With the Cathlamet at Todd shipyards in drydock, the Kitsap/Kittitas at Mukilteo, Issaquah at Vashon, and the Chelan already at Bremerton...how? MOD: Nevermind, vessel watch shows the Issaquah at Seattle. I guess she will probably do the 9:05 to Bremerton so the Hyak can do the 9:00 to Bainbridge. The Bainbridge Buzz is reporting that the Evergreen will go to Vashon in the AM www.bainbridgebuzz.com/content/view/1623/76/ |
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jan 9, 2007 20:40:46 GMT -8
Actually, the Hyak will be replacing the Tacoma and the Evergreen to go to Fauntleroy and we'll get the Issaquah on Bremerton.
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Post by zman on Jan 9, 2007 20:51:28 GMT -8
That works...makes more sense.
Wonder if the Hyak will switch with the Spokane overnight...
What a wonderful time to have everything go all whacky!
Makes me glad that I do not have to drive on the boats.
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Post by hergfest on Jan 9, 2007 21:18:54 GMT -8
Doubt it, you don't really need the car capacity this time of year on any of the routes. The Hyak replaces the passenger capacity on the Bainbridge run, but Bremerton and Vashon will be reduced.
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 9, 2007 22:27:05 GMT -8
Walla Walla wouldn't necessarily come south; the passenger count is actually a more critical factor on the SBI run. My speculation is Hyak to SBI, Issy to SBR, Evergreen to FSV. Less complicated for what will be a quick turnaround in the yard with any luck. Ahem. Toldja. ;D No, really. The Supers, like it or not, carry 2500 passengers to the Jumbos' 2000, and Bainbridge carries the foot traffic. Plus the three-way move is the easiest, least painful way to spread the loss of car capacity. |
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Post by northwesterner on Jan 9, 2007 23:51:12 GMT -8
No, really. The Supers, like it or not, carry 2500 passengers to the Jumbos' 2000, and Bainbridge carries the foot traffic. Plus the three-way move is the easiest, least painful way to spread the loss of car capacity. I wasn't sure which of the two would be most important at this time of the year on that run; cars or pax. I may have to journey down to Colman Dock and take a ride on the Hyak over to Winslow. I've never ridden a Super on that route (I always missed out on taking the Kaleetan in the early and mid 90s when she was the roving sub for all the Supers and Jumbos). The next question of course is: When was the last time a Super operated Seattle-Winslow? My guess: Kaleetan, whatever winter predated the arrival of the Tacoma. BTW - I'd love to be on a rush hr run tomorrow morning to listen to the commuter's reaction when they see that interior (I like it, but few others do). Of course, most of the yuppies that commute on that run probably don't remember back to when Supers were regular or occasionally assigned - let alone the days of the teacup chairs on the Spokane and Walla Walla. |
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Post by zman on Jan 10, 2007 7:45:28 GMT -8
The really hard hit will be to Vashon...Anybody remember the "All three evergreens" topic...Alot lower capacity and slower speed.
Going from Bremerton, even with the supers the 6:20 and 7:20 fill up. From Seattle, (sometimes) 3:00, 4:20, and 5:30 tend to fill up. The 6:45 to Bremerton usually cleans up the lot and does not fill up.
As for Bainbridge...There will be lines.
Anybody know when the last time was that Bremerton had the Issaquah...was it when the Kitsap was testing the new propulsion at Vashon?
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jan 10, 2007 7:52:26 GMT -8
Anybody know when the last time was that Bremerton had the Issaquah...was it when the Kitsap was testing the new propulsion at Vashon? IIRC, it was when the olympic torch was going through the area (not sure if it was the summer games in Atlanta or the winter games in Salt Lake City). |
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Post by SS Shasta on Jan 10, 2007 9:57:05 GMT -8
The really hard hit will be to Vashon...Anybody remember the "All three evergreens" topic...Alot lower capacity and slower speed. Let's not be too harsh on our revered MV Evergreen State.  If I was not leaving for Alaska today, I would be down at the dock to catch a ride on the great lady. It would be a wonderful opportunity to slow down a bit and enjoy the beauty of Puget Sound. |
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Post by zman on Jan 10, 2007 10:45:00 GMT -8
I am very fond of the old girl...I think that she is one of the better boats...I cannot pinpoint why, but she is awesome!
Just slower-and smaller.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2007 11:21:03 GMT -8
quote] The next question of course is: When was the last time a Super operated Seattle-Winslow? My guess: Kaleetan, whatever winter predated the arrival of the Tacoma. BTW - I'd love to be on a rush hr run tomorrow morning to listen to the commuter's reaction when they see that interior (I like it, but few others do). Of course, most of the yuppies that commute on that run probably don't remember back to when Supers were regular or occasionally assigned - let alone the days of the teacup chairs on the Spokane and Walla Walla. First I was on the Tacoma on Saturday night. There was a pronounced "thump" in the front when we were departing Seattle. I immediately concluded that we had hit a large dead head. The captain stopped shortly after that and let us know they were having rudder problems and would be running some tests. Shortly after that we were under way but he let us know they would have to go slow with her and the crossing would take longer and when we docked in Bainbridge she would be going out of service. The last time I recall a Super class on the Bainbridge route was in June 2002. At that time we had the "Kaleeteen". She was not a good sub for the Jumbo Mark II's as they had alot of problems docking here. One night I was on there as a regular "commuter" it took 45 mins from Seattle to Bainbridge since they had such a time docking on both sides. At one point she was practically sideways coming into the terminal. I am not sure why they were having problems docking her. Now as far as the Yuppies comment. LOL. I live on the "Island" and can remember when the Supers were regular subs on the route for the "Spokane" and "Walla Walla". I even remember having two Supers there in place of both the Jumbos. I can't remember why they were both off at the same time but it was cool to see two different boats on their. I also remember the "tea cup" seats and the horrible orange carpet on the Jumbos back in the day. Not all of us are spoiled snobby yuppies on Bainbridge. Some of us even enjoy living there. |
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 10, 2007 11:28:08 GMT -8
The difficulty in docking the Kaleetan may be attributed to the fact that she is a telegraph boat instead of pilothouse control and the propellers cannot be operated independently of one another. If you aren't used to that--and my coworkers on the BI run probably aren't--then it can be a trial.
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Post by in washington on Jan 10, 2007 13:14:48 GMT -8
The Tacoma will need to come out of the water for repairs. Broken hydraulic ram. Both rudders have to come off for inspection and repairs.
Maintenance on Wenatchee is going to be pushed hard to get her back into service.
As for the Supers... Nothing like a huge sail, no beam and undersized rudders. Against a stiff wind they take forever just to work over against the dolphins to get the passenger plank on. Nothing like a Jumbo for power and rudders. The old Wally used to be able to just about park in lane 1 of the holding area back when we had the old old timbler wingwalls.
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Post by EGfleet on Jan 10, 2007 19:18:32 GMT -8
The Tacoma will need to come out of the water for repairs. Broken hydraulic ram. Both rudders have to come off for inspection and repairs. Maintenance on Wenatchee is going to be pushed hard to get her back into service. As for the Supers... Nothing like a huge sail, no beam and undersized rudders. Against a stiff wind they take forever just to work over against the dolphins to get the passenger plank on. Nothing like a Jumbo for power and rudders. The old Wally used to be able to just about park in lane 1 of the holding area back when we had the old old timbler wingwalls. And of course now we know that they won't be able to get the Tacoma into drydock until February 5th so it's "patch up the Wenatchee time as quickly as possible. Looks like the Hyak will be calling Seattle-Bainbridge home for a week or more. ;D |
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If I was not leaving for Alaska today, I would be down at the dock to catch a ride on the great lady. It would be a wonderful opportunity to slow down a bit and enjoy the beauty of Puget Sound.