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Post by zman on Mar 13, 2007 14:58:44 GMT -8
The HIYU came to P52 at 15:45!!! The KLICKITAT is at Todd as of 14:30.
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Post by brassman on Mar 13, 2007 21:14:02 GMT -8
Lot's more on Steel-Electrics at http:/seattlepi.nwsource./com/fourm/boards/viewtopic.asp?topcid=103478
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Post by brassman on Mar 13, 2007 21:24:37 GMT -8
Well, that ddn't work, how about? http:/seattle.nwsource.com/forum/boards/viewtopic.asp?topcid=103478
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Post by brasman on Mar 13, 2007 21:28:51 GMT -8
Ah, hell! Just go to seattlepi forums and search "klickitat".
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Post by Barnacle on Mar 14, 2007 7:50:56 GMT -8
;D
The Klickitat apparently got into the lift last night. I'm not sure how they're doing but I think there was hope they'd have it back on the run today sometime.
I do hope this will be a wake-up to the Whidbey Islanders who are fighting the Keystone terminal...
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Post by EGfleet on Mar 14, 2007 9:00:40 GMT -8
;D The Klickitat apparently got into the lift last night. I'm not sure how they're doing but I think there was hope they'd have it back on the run today sometime. I do hope this will be a wake-up to the Whidbey Islanders who are fighting the Keystone terminal... Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:33AM Port Townsend/Keystone -Service Resumes Service on the Port Townsend/Keystone route will resume with the 2:15 pm sailing from Port Townsend.
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Post by SS Shasta on Mar 14, 2007 10:26:42 GMT -8
Guess the message for this story is: You just can't keep an old girl down, especially if she is a Steel Electric!! ;D
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Post by SS San Mateo on Mar 18, 2007 14:21:31 GMT -8
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Post by Dane on Mar 18, 2007 17:27:28 GMT -8
The Klick made the Canadian news as an "80 yerar old death trap."
BC Ferries finally got a break lololol
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Post by Brassman on Mar 18, 2007 18:25:26 GMT -8
To clarify; the Klickitat's riveted plate has not been cracking. The locus of this recent crack was at the weld of the rivet hull and the welded sponson added in the 50's. It was is an inherent high stress area of the hull, and as much as design it was also a function of use of the boat. When we are talking of "failure" it is one over decades. Any hull would have these problems. Diligent inspection has revealed the problems--and they were repaired.
An 80 year-old boat that hasn't had a catostrophic failure is a testomonial of success.
(A catostrophic failure is a technical term and refers to a failure that extends beyond the failed part & doesn't mean loss of vessel, or of life.)
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Post by SS San Mateo on Mar 19, 2007 7:07:09 GMT -8
Probably. Martinac refuses to accept that not only does his bid not meet spec, it appears that his conceptual model won't fit the overhead walkways. I hear that their design has numerous other flaws as well. In what way(s) did the bid not meet specs?
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Post by Barnacle on Mar 19, 2007 7:15:19 GMT -8
Martinac is insisting upon Z-drive propulsion. The specs called for using controllable-pitch propulsion, and that part of the contract has already been let out.
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Post by old_wsf_fan on Mar 19, 2007 20:15:04 GMT -8
I just don't get Martinac. WSF has a design that works for them, they prefer props to z-drives. After all, WSF is after all ferries to be built generally alike to lower costs for training, maintenence and most importantly, costs of building a boat.
Start using a completely new designed boat and here comes a return to a vastly different fleet.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Mar 19, 2007 20:22:08 GMT -8
Martinec wants money, that is the main goal and if they have been in a slump, of course they'll sue to get work, but I doubt the courts will give a **** about em.
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Post by FNS on Mar 19, 2007 22:56:32 GMT -8
I just don't get Martinac. WSF has a design that works for them, they prefer props to z-drives. After all, WSF is after all ferries to be built generally alike to lower costs for training, maintenence and most importantly, costs of building a boat. Start using a completely new designed boat and here comes a return to a vastly different fleet. I like the traditional WSF design myself. "Junior Mark IIs" should be the nickname of the new ferries. Same kind of ends and wheelhouses. The lucky riders get a better view from the Sun Deck end shelters than in the solariums on the big ones as all this will be moved to the end and most of the crew quarters located in the middle structure. BCF or WSF must be following each other's design. End shelters at each end of the Sun Deck on both the "Junior Mark IIs" and the "Flensburger Trio". The only difference is that the JMIIs will have a wheelhouse atop each shelter. Let's keep the Nickum, Spaulding, McLaren, and Elliott Bay Design Group design intact with these new beauties! Really enjoying watching EBDG's new "Baby Jumbo" ISLAND HOME come and go on the Martha's Vineyard webcam! ;D
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Post by Barnacle on Mar 20, 2007 12:53:10 GMT -8
Martinec wants money, that is the main goal and if they have been in a slump, of course they'll sue to get work, but I doubt the courts will give a **** about em. And rumor has it that Martinac is not just in a slump, but if they don't get this work through legal chicanery or whatever, it may well be the final slump at that.
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Post by EGfleet on Mar 25, 2007 7:38:19 GMT -8
3/22/2007 11:09:00 AM Big wave damages cars on PT-Keystone ferry By Justin Burnett, The Whidbey Examiner The ferry route that connects Whidbey Island and the Olympic Peninsula experienced its second unexpected service interruption in two weeks, this time the result of a huge wave that washed across the car deck, damaging five vehicles. According to a report filed by Capt. Mark Haupt, the wave hit the Klickitat as it was headed into Keystone Harbor shortly before noon on Tuesday, March 20. "We encountered an exceptionally large wave that pushed four cars around the deck," Haupt wrote in the report. The report went on to say that a Ford Focus was hit with so much water that it became wedged under a loaded logging truck and had to be towed away. Another vehicle, a Chevy Impala, was smashed sideways against the wall of the car deck. Ferry workers had to use a dock bull to remove the car from the boat to avoid further damage. Two other cars also sustained damages. "We don't know the extent of the damage, other than they were minor," said Washington State Ferries Senior Port Captain Kelly Mitchell. Mitchell said that in his eight years with the ferries, he's only heard of a few instances where a wave was large enough to push cars around. "It's happened before," he said. "But I've never seen it." Mitchell said strong westerly winds and a strong ebb tide caused the water of Admiralty Inlet to be especially rough that day. Because the ferry was already 45 minutes late for the noon run, it was canceled along with the 12:45 p.m. run from Port Townsend. The Klickitat experienced a major interruption last week that lasted several days after the boat was pulled out of service for repairs to a crack found in its hull. Washington State Ferries spent $50,000 to make the repairs, which were completed at Todd Shipyards in Seattle. Mitchell reported that no one was injured in Tuesday's incident, and that the ferry was not damaged. www.ptleader.com/main.asp?Search=1&ArticleID=17427&SectionID=4&SubSectionID=&S=1
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Post by FNS on Mar 25, 2007 16:05:41 GMT -8
That incident what happened in the above posting sure is an indication that a ferry just like the ISLAND HOME is needed on this run. She has a fully enclosed car deck with doors at each end. (From the MVTimes webcam) Seattle-designed MV ISLAND HOME leaves Martha's Vineyard for Woods Hole in the sunset this evening at 1930 ET. Notice that the crew wastes no time in closing the doors. These doors are not reopened until this ferry is safely inside the breakwater of this Haven when inbound from Woods Hole. www.mvtimes.com/webcam.php#webcamThis incident wouldn't have happened if the KLICKITAT had doors at each end. The Steel-Electrics originally had vertical sliding roller doors at each end when built in 1927. They were used, too. That is why you see a big long box stretching the width of the ends on the Saloon Deck in early photos of these vessels (these housed the roller doors).
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Post by SS Shasta on Mar 25, 2007 18:45:15 GMT -8
As was said in another post........... MV Klickitat has the toughest assignment in the WSF fleet. Weather, tides, fog, etc. impact the Port Townsend-Keystone run more than any other route. A minor breakdown placed her out of service for a couple of days. That can't be said for other vessels who have been forced out of service for months and sometimes a year or more. She is the true workhorse of the fleet ;D.
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Post by Barnacle on Mar 25, 2007 21:59:08 GMT -8
As was said in another post........... MV Klickitat has the toughest assignment in the WSF fleet. Weather, tides, fog, etc. impact the Port Townsend-Keystone run more than any other route. A minor breakdown placed her out of service for a couple of days. That can't be said for other vessels who have been forced out of service for months and sometimes a year or more. She is the true workhorse of the fleet ;D. Workhorse? Forty years ago, maybe... now she's more of the old grey mare, who ain't what she used to be. This "minor breakdown" (weld fracture) was a quick fix, but not many folks remember frying the drive motor about nine or ten years ago that took her offline for over a half-year because parts had to be manufactured. That having been said, we baby the Klickitat along pretty well. Other ferries in the fleet keep going long after the K-boat ties up for weather, current, tide... effective doors across the bows would be an unmitigated nuisance. The roll-up doors you mention were used only on San Francisco Bay, where the wave action isn't anything like what we get on Puget Sound. The purpose there was more to cut down on the wind. As far as I know, they were removed not long after their arrival on Puget Sound because of their general uselessness. Occasionally, a ferry does get caught out when it shouldn't be, and some cars get pushed around. While I don't dismiss the owners of the cars with an imperious wave of my paw, it happens so infrequently that the cost of installing and maintaining the doors would far outweigh the occasional insurance claim. We had a ferry with bow doors once... they were cut off because they were found to have no function other than to increase the vibration. Think silver.
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Post by Brassman on Mar 26, 2007 18:45:02 GMT -8
To correct barnacle: Stress crack started in weld and went 6" into hull plate at watertight bulkhead--this was in the welded plate. Klick carries the most wieght per cardeck area, on the roughest waters, into the most difficult landing of the WSF. The old girl takes a beating--but she just keeps a klicking
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Post by Brassman on Mar 27, 2007 21:16:48 GMT -8
Kinda' an OBTW:
That drive motor failure was a burnt spot in the string band, caught before failure by diligent inspection. The #2 end drive motor was totally rebuilt by Eastern Electric in Kent, Washington & is probably good for another 100 years.
The #1 end drive motors went back East a couple of years later on a no-bid contract and was, as far as I can tell, a lick and a promise. Less than 20 years.
The motors can be rebuilt forever as long as you have got copper, mica, and those old men who know D.C.
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Post by Barnacle on Mar 28, 2007 7:44:30 GMT -8
We're running out of old men, though. ;D
I freely admit that they can always be rebuilt. Problem is, at what point does it become more practical to give up and replace the boat? WSF can keep patching the old SEs, and sooner or later by definition the whole boat has been replaced, but it still has the operating limitations and small capacity.
They're fun little boats. Truly. But not tremendously practical.
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