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Post by Low Light Mike on Mar 16, 2006 18:32:31 GMT -8
The big news in Nanaimo today is a car crash from last night, that killed 3 teens, and critically injured 2 more.
Here's the facts, from the news:
- single vehicle accident
- driver was a "novice", so he had to have a passenger > 25 yrs aboard, and was limited in # of passengers.
- instead, driver was a teen, was the oldest in the car, and had 4 younger passengers (me thinks this is against the Novice rules?)
- RCMP are investigating re drugs or alcohol
- Speed was a factor
- of course, the driver is the one who always survives....this driver is in critical condition.
- an unrelated property owner had his/her yard & driveway turned into a carnage scene, and now it will likely turn into a roadside shrine. I wonder if the homeowner can recover damage costs to his/her property from the driver's ICBC insurance?
- sorry if you've gone thru this before, or know someone who has, but this type of incident really bugs me.
Don't call it an accident, because there was nothing accidental about it: 5 people willingly enter a car, and knew that drugs and/or alcohol were involved, and speed away, driving too fast.
That's why I call it a group-suicide. Like any other suicide, it's a shame that they decided to involve others, ie the homeowners, and the RCMP and fire dept and ambulance personnel. Thankfully they didn't kill any outsiders.
Sorry for the off-topic, but I needed to vent my feelings re this. Life is something good and prescious, and it's really sad when people don't respect their lives.
Peace - out.
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Post by Ferryman on Mar 16, 2006 19:48:11 GMT -8
I actually know the critically injured 17 year old girl from Ladysmith, that was airlifted to Vancouver. To be honest, I'm not too suprised this happened, as that is a typical thing for youth to do over there, trust me I know. But I'm suprised that there aren't anymore crashes, because there's always the motivation that, "I'm ok, I won't crash this vehicle, besides, it will be fun!". Not this, "I'm invinsible" business, nobody does that, because everyone knows very well that they're not. But I guess it's more of the, "It'll be fun!!!" kind of adrenaline. You may find this hard to believe, but I do not do any drugs, or consume any alcohol, at all. But most teens, (some even start when they're ten, I know a few of them) start consuming alcohol like they're full grown adults. I'm sure most of the other teens will think I'm stupid for saying that, but that's really just how it all works, and sometimes, the outcome isn't that good at all.
Also, let me correct you a bit on the Novice restrictions, Ultra Walker. A Novice license is one step up from a Learners License. I have my Novice license. This allows me to drive without a Supervisor (person over 25 with a Class 5 or better license), which is required when you have a Learners (L) License. You are allowed one passenger if you want, age doesn't matter, and you are allowed to fill the vehicle up with intermediate Family members to the amount of people the car is designed to hold, or how many seatbelts there are. You're also allowed to fill the vehicle up to the number of occupants the vehicle can hold if you have a Supervisor, same type of supervisor you would need with the L.
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Post by Scott on Mar 16, 2006 22:18:58 GMT -8
Where exactly in Nanaimo was the crash?
It's hard to feel sorry for people who do such stupid things. I really have to feel sorry for the families and especially the parents. Imagine raising a kid just to have it end like this. Thankfully they didn't hit another car or any pedestrians.
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Post by Ferryman on Mar 16, 2006 22:30:26 GMT -8
I think it was on Hammond Bay Road. I used to know exactly where that is, but my mind map of Nanaimo is slowly disintigrating as I barely go to Nanaimo now. By the looks of it, the crashed looked like it was near the old part of town, by the NDSS pool area. But then thinking of Hammond Bay, thats like by Woodgrove....
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Post by Low Light Mike on Mar 16, 2006 22:30:27 GMT -8
John:
the crash was on Hammond Bay Rd, somewhere just north of Harry Whipper park (a few KM's north of Piper's Lagoon)......I think.
The Canada.Com news story mentions a neighbour finding a purse, car parts, and "human remains" on her property.
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Mar 17, 2006 0:12:25 GMT -8
John: the crash was on Hammond Bay Rd, somewhere just north of Harry Whipper park (a few KM's north of Piper's Lagoon)......I think. The Canada.Com news story mentions a neighbour finding a purse, car parts, and "human remains" on her property. That crash woke me up as the incident location is only a minute away from my home. The noise from that crash is something I hope never to hear again... - - - - Most teens think that they are "invincible" to their actions. Hopefully this crash will change that view in many of them who drive recklessly and/ or drunk... However, it is a blessing that no other vehicles were involved as it could have been worse than it already is... Life is something good and precious, and it's really sad when people don't respect their lives. Could not agree more... |
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Post by Retrovision on Mar 17, 2006 1:12:06 GMT -8
- - - - Most teens think that they are "invincible" to their actions. Many adults smoke cigarettes. |
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Post by Mike C on Mar 17, 2006 10:37:33 GMT -8
This is horrible. This is the result of drunken idiots racing down neighbourhood streets, something like that of 72 Avenue (not too far from my home), but nothing like this has ever happened. May this be a lesson for drunk-driving teens out there...
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Mar 17, 2006 19:46:23 GMT -8
Many adults smoke cigarettes. Most started as teens...  |
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Post by Retrovision on Mar 17, 2006 20:20:24 GMT -8
doesn't mean they can't stop  |
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Post by Alex on Mar 18, 2006 13:46:33 GMT -8
I can't have any sympathy for these idiots. "Hey, lets all go out and drink, then we'll drive, then we'll drive too fast in the dark, and then we won't wear seatblets either".
They got what they deserved. The only victims are their families, and even they aren't without blame. If they were good parents, this wouldn't have happened.
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Post by Starbucks Queen on Mar 18, 2006 14:36:09 GMT -8
One can´t say that if they were good parents this wouldn´t have happened. Parents do not have quite as much control as they would like to have, especially once they are teen-age. I think it´s more a case of beeing with the wrong friends.
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Post by kylefossett on Mar 18, 2006 16:08:10 GMT -8
Come on Ultra Walker have some i F*&%ING respect for the families that have lost loved ones and for the families that are now spending time in hospitals with loveed ones. I believe in the right to have an opinion but some times that opinion should be kept to yourself
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Post by Low Light Mike on Mar 18, 2006 17:37:35 GMT -8
Kyle: that's why I vented on this forum-board, and not by doing something like writing a letter to the newspaper.
I think the discussion's good. But I respect your opinion that it's not appropriate.....but I still think discussion is good.
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Post by kylefossett on Mar 19, 2006 17:11:18 GMT -8
Alcohol affects judgement. It affected the judgement of these kids who would not neccasarily get in a car with an impaired driver if they were sober and they would have likely not of allowed him to drive if they were sober. if he is awake in the hospital he probably wishes that he had succumbed to his injuries then he would not have to deal with what he did for the rest of his live
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Post by Retrovision on Mar 19, 2006 19:48:59 GMT -8
Alcohol affects judgement. It affected the judgement of these kids In fact, we should be giving these kids more lattitude than even that (not enough to not have them become content/productive members of society, though). The mere reality of being one of these kids is, in effect, not extremely different than being impaired by a substance, in a an exponentially less-immediate way of course. Recent, Former Kid, Graham |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Mar 19, 2006 20:21:44 GMT -8
Just so I understand you correctly, Graham:
You're point is that kids can act "somewhat impaired", even without the aid of alcohol?
I don't have children of my own, and I'm a few years beyond my 20's, so I really have a hard time relating to teenagers in general.
Graham: thanks for your insight re this discussion.
I also liked your suggestion that smoking is a "long, drawn out suicide" that many adults participate in. I'm not sure where to end the logic of this thought, as I can extend it to the effects of fast-food re heart & stroke risk........I suppose life is just full of risks & rewards, by nature. Throw in the effects of fate, Karma, evolution, intelligent design, and extra-terrestrial influence, and life really is just like a box of chocolates.....
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